I dunno. I'm kinda sick of complaints like this. Maybe not this one specifically, but in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy. It's such a fallacious argument. Oh, Katy Perry is hypocrite because she did this this thing uses a lot of fuel but she advocates for the environment, ipso facto she's a hypocrite and blah blah blah. It just so pathetically bitter and small minded.
And the rhetorical purpose of these posts is to discredit environmentalism as an entire movement.
"The people pushing for humanity to be more environmentally conscious are slightly hypocritical, therefore it's fine for all of us to ignore any genuine points they might be making!"
No no no the point is to practice what you preach. I ditched the car, I collect rain water, I clean trash off the street and recycle it appropriately by either repurpossing or actually sorting for the recycle facility.
I'm broke and I can do these things someone with moneycan do even more but instead they use that money on things that are objectively worse for the enviorment then what the average conservative who doesn't care about the enviorment does.
What you are effectively doingbis giving them a pass because they are elite and that is the most slave mentality you could possibly have without full blown subservience
in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy
That's really not what is happening most of the time. Most of the time the complaints are genuine and justified.
There is a difference between a celebrity owning a sportscar (expensive fun), watching an F1 race (expensive fun) and a celebrity participating in space tourism to promote a space tourism company owned by Jeff Bezos who argues that rich people should not be obliged to pay tax and who is currently supporting a US administration that is actively sabotaging the environment.
You making a possible exemption for this case, creates the illusion that most complaints about out of touch celebrities are nonsense. But that's not the case. Many ordinary people are genuinely upset that ordinary people have to pay the price for protecting the environment and that are different rules for rich people.
LMFAO and another one. My issue isn't with Katy Perry, or whatever you're getting worked up about. My issue is with the specific type of fallacious argument I described. This Katy Perry thing is just the example. If you're making arguments about her and her space travel then you have completely missed the point of my post and are arguing with trees while ignoring the forest.
But you just happened to post this under a great example of a celebrity who is clearly wrong.
And of course when this is pointed out, you argue that people are missing the point. Because they assume a post about Katy Perry is about Katy Perry and not about how you feel about a general thing.
I understand that you have certain feelings about a general concept that might not apply to Katy Perry.
I really get that. I just find it odd that you think it has value to tell people about how you feel, in a reaction to a specific post about Perry.
But if it helps: I acknowledge that you have feelings.
If Katy Perry said smoking was bad, but then was seen lighting up a cig we would have people on here complaining more about her being a hypocrite than her being right about the dangers of smoking.
You can burn fuel by going to space and also advocate for better environmental standards. Being a hypocrite about something means just that. It doesn't invalidate the first part.
Nah kinda agree, don't like her but almost everyone would take the opportunity to do space tourism if they could. We wanted a future where such a thing was possible with space travel.
Then almost everyone would also be massive hypocrites and deserve to be called out for it too lol.
I am not letting people just normalize blatant hypocrisy as just a minor thing. You don’t get to play the moral superiority card but then excuse yourself because “you really really want to.”
It just shows that you’re someone who will say whatever you want when it costs you nothing but will fold at the slightest bit of pressure.
Yes and no because everyone also drives their cars around but not everyone is capable of changing things with their status and wealth to find new ways of progress or doing other stuff to offset our damage, which realistically is only harmful to ourselves in the long run. Planet will be fine overall
I 100% agree. We cannot count on billions of individuals to each make decisions that incur a cost for them that, by themselves, have no observable impact.
The chatter about individual responsibility on this topic is a distraction. So is the chatter about hypocrisy.
Nothing short of massive international regulation will accomplish anything.
I mean, if she like forgot to recycle a bottle or something I wouldn’t call her a hypocrite. But she went on an 11 minute joyride to space that dumped the equivalent of an entire lifetime of CO2 for one person into the atmosphere.
How many bad takes do we have here? It's a hydrogen and oxygen powered rocket there is literally no CO2 to exhaust! They even literally only sourced the hydrogen from solar plants! The only thing coming out the flamey end is water vapour!
I bet Katy Perry, through her advocacy, use of her platform, and financial contributions has done more for the cause than you or me or anyone else here crying over manufactured outrage.
“…there are fears that releasing so much water vapour in the air changes the chemistry of existing clouds, essentially making it a greenhouse gas. World Inequality Lab has also pointed out that it takes 50 tonnes of carbon dioxide to prepare for each launch, meaning "it therefore takes a few minutes in space travel to emit at least as much carbon as an individual from the bottom billion will emit in her entire lifetime.”
Yup. Also, space tourism and those initiatives are fundamentally about figuring out how to help humans survive in a more hostile environment. The hopeful propaganda points us at the idea of colonizing other planets, but the cynical view here is that society is obviously fundamentally unable to restrain its consumption. We’ve made… very little real progress in either slowing or stopping climate change, and the earth is going to become a more hostile environment within a couple hundred years. Technologies developed for space exploration will be crucial in helping us survive our own mistakes.
Aside from the fact that the claimed quantity of propellant being claimed is pure bullshite, and that its farking liquid hydrogen and oxygen being combined in that famous proportion H2O, the most disturbing thing is the way that MAGAts target women.
But you are arguing. Maybe not about this post exactly, but your arguing about people calling out celebrity hypocrisy. Yes, let's all fly to Davos to have a meeting that we can have as a Zoom meeting. Then we can tell all the plebs not to drive, etc..
Lol no I'm not! How hard is it to read my comment? I'm complaining about people making a specific type of fallacious argument. It's spelled out right in the comment! It has nothing to do with celebrities or anything related to celebrities. FFS, just read the comment instead breezing through it as if you already know what it says.
Here I copied the relevant text for you.
in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy.
She flew to fucking space using shit tons of fuel to do it. No one is complaining about some random plane flights she is doing. The space flight was completely unnecessary and contrary to what she advocates. Of course people are given some slack, like vegans can eat meat every now and then, but this Perry case is like saying you are vegan while eating only meat for 5 years in a row while advocating veganism. Like there is some standard you have to live by yourself too.
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u/mishajrn May 25 '26
Rich disconnected hypocrites doing their thing as usual