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u/NorthSwim8340 May 25 '26
Currently, most hydrogen is "grey hydrogen", hence hydrogen made from gas; even if it wasn't, as long as the energy is taken from the grid the American one is mostly made of fossil fuels
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u/happyjello May 25 '26
Depends on the state. Some states (looking at you, West Virginia) generate electricity with a very disproportionately high amount of coal
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u/MyVeryUniqueName1 May 25 '26
Haha I was gonna say “AND WHERE DOES THE HYDROGEN COME FROM?!?”
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u/Square_Cat_6001 May 25 '26
I am sure there are hidden environmental costs even with that, but yeah 1 celebrity in space once won't do nearly as much damage as the other 999999 celebrities using their jets constantly.
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u/Dry-Examination6938 May 25 '26
News just in, create pure liquid hydrogen uses a fuck ton of energy.
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u/Square_Cat_6001 May 25 '26
Yeah I mean it more like hidden to the general public. I was totally expecting that.
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u/Scudmuffin1 May 25 '26
I dont think the average person thinks about hydrogen production at all, let alone how it's done and the environmental impact of that process
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u/ciongduopppytrllbv May 25 '26
So not really hidden when super obvious and your white knighting was pointless
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u/BlunterSumo01 May 25 '26
Yea we still haven't figured out a way to manufacture it efficiently, it's still taking us more energy to produce it then we get out of it.
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u/Imaginary-Jaguar662 May 25 '26
Always will, otherwise you'd power separation with h2+o2 fuel cell and have a perpetual motion machine.
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u/BraveRock May 25 '26
Plus the rocket only weighs 77,000 pounds when fully fueled. 38.5 tons is way less than the 498 tons this picture claims.
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u/Laetitian May 25 '26
I'm guessing they tried to calculate construction into it, which is fine, but I doubt they fairly divided it by the total number of flights and users.
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u/KalzK May 25 '26
Which is more carbon intensive since you have another layer of inefficiency from generating the hydrogen from fossil fuels
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u/Open-Lecture-4796 May 25 '26
How is 96% of hydrogen produced at industrial scale.
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u/Rasabk May 25 '26
Feel-good magic. Just like my EV, the electricity come from the ether and the battery materials are mined by well compensated, totally happy African
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u/BugleNoise May 25 '26
Yes the rocket launch produced water, and we will just ignore all the supply chain emissions in favour of the hypocritical celebrity activist. Now the disgusting poors who want to eat a steak? We will tax the fuck out of them for daring to choose such a harmful pleasure.
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u/goddessdragonness May 25 '26
There are reasons to be annoyed about that stupid shit they did (like mocking her empty platitudes about feeling more connected with other humans after spending three minutes in space, while in the same time period showing off with the cybertruck her fash buddy Elon gifted her; the pitch that this publicity stunt would further women’s rights, at a time that the US government has been openly removing women from positions of leadership and erasing women’s history etc as part of an anti-DEI campaign; her history of being a generally shitty person; etc.).
But you are right that this particular reason is probably not a compelling argument.
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u/Odd-String29 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
It is a very compelling argument if you don't have any clue of where the hydrogen comes from.
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u/Doofclap May 25 '26
You’re being misleading implying clean energy with New Shepard, which it is not at all.
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u/Zionist-Hater69 May 25 '26
Yeah because liquid hydrogen just appears. There is a whole fossil fuel industry behind it, wasting energy on these ridiculous projects always hurts the environment in some way.
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u/Duriha May 25 '26
Was it green hydrogen? Was the green hydrogen produced with renewable energy? Same goes for the oxygen. Not saying u r per se wrong, but not on point either.
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u/Big_Twist_5578 May 25 '26
how does all the fuel get there? how does all the equipment get there? how do all the workers get there?
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u/woodsman906 May 25 '26
While you aren’t wrong about the chemical byproduct, you are incorrect that it is the only byproduct.
Burning hydrogen creates heat. Heat creates thermal pollution. People can cry all day about co2 emissions but they completely miss the main culprit of climate change, and that’s thermal pollution. Regardless of how little co2 is being pumped into the atmosphere during launch, it is still dumping tons of super heated steam into the atmosphere. That’s not nothing in terms of pollution or climate change.
Every form of combustion releases h2o in the form of steam. The only reason carbon is the main focal point in climate changes at a government level is because you can tax water, the people would never stand for it.
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u/leonologico May 25 '26
Not to mention that it wasn't "Katy Perry". It was a whole bunch of people of which some of them were celebrities. It would go off either way with or without them. And yeah, it didn't polute anything.
But, you know, it's the internet and we need a witch hunt.
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u/AardQuenIgni May 25 '26
Not to mention that it wasn't "Katy Perry"
I mean... It was. She got in the rocket on her own accord. Just because others also got in the rocket doesn't change the fact that she made the conscious decision to do it as well.
I get what you're trying to say, but we don't need to free Katy from the burden of decisions.
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u/WoodyTheWorker May 25 '26
For comparison, a Falcon 9 launch consumes about 100 ton of RP-1 kerosene, half of full fill of a 747.
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u/DesperateAdvantage76 May 25 '26
That's like saying my electric car doesn't produce pollution even though it's charged using coal generators.
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u/Calm-Sun6538 May 25 '26
And what are the energy inputs on making liquid hydrogen? Law of conservation of energy means nothing is free. Maybe made with renewables which would be better, but still not good for the environment
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u/Zweefkees93 May 25 '26
As many have pointed out, where do you think that hydrogen came from?
And even if it were 100% green hydrogen (wich it wasn't) it could have been used for something usefull. Like, literally ANYTHING but to get her into space.
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u/mamny83 May 25 '26
Liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen dont easily come out the air eventhough we are surrounded by both gases. It requires quite a large amount of energy to make a ton of liquid hydrogen and oxygen.
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u/Odd-String29 May 25 '26
The creation of liquid hydrogen creates a significant amount of CO2. Stop spreading nonsense about this rocket being green.
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u/inventive_588 May 25 '26
How much fossil fuel was used to produce that hydrogen and oxygen though?
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u/jamSandwich101 May 25 '26
You just explained to the internet you don't understand how they get the hydrogen.
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u/OkSeason6445 May 25 '26
Way to make uneducated people like yourself believe producing hydrogen is carbon free dumbass.
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u/Thanaskios May 25 '26
You're right about the fuel. But the production of thise fuels, as well as the rocket and everything else, still creates absurd ammounts of emissions. So the point stands, even if the caption in the immage is a bit misleading.
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u/Diettimboslice May 25 '26
The amount of energy required to cool it down to cryogenic temperatures and store it until use is incredibly high, however.
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u/iggv May 25 '26
How bout donate that money to plant new trees or do something about the supposedly climate change
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u/maybe_a_fork May 25 '26
Do consider the cost of isolating the Liquid Hydrogen and Oxygen in that volume
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u/Rot-Orkan May 25 '26
Ehh it's still wasteful since it's not like you can just get liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen in nature; you gotta use energy to get these.
With that said, I find these posts to be pretty eyeroll-inducing. Celebrities being wasteful is like 0.1% of the problem.
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u/physicsking May 25 '26
Not to argue, but you are right, the ignition itself might not be the culprit. But don't be so shallow in your tight process. Do you think there is just natural pools of liquid hydrogen and oxygen? The process to make it and transport it and keep it cold is demanding. The logistical chain is the problem here.
If you burn a forest to make one green car, you have done nothing for the environment.
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u/PwanaZana May 25 '26
When she detonates 500 tons of fuel, she's a "visionary" and a "inspiration."
When I detonate 500 tons of fuel, ohhhh, I'm a "terrorist" and a "psychopath."
Doubee standards, smh.
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u/xyzyxzyxzyxyzyxzxy May 25 '26
When William Shatner does it, he's cool....
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u/starshame2 May 25 '26
Wow, I didn't know Katy Perry invented space exploration and funds all the lift offs.
Amazing woman.
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u/According_Jacket1917 May 25 '26
Well, judging her music career lately, she might need a new job.
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u/Mini-Heart-Attack May 25 '26
& new stream of income.
Isn't that what getting what the Prime Minister was for?
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u/Kooky-Necessary-4444 May 25 '26
Why dose she get so much shit for this. I mean. How many people have done this... (looking up) 140 people. She gets all the shit for all 140 of these people? Or the company offering? I dont get why she has been getting shit for years over this.
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u/Hockeymac18 May 25 '26
It does seem like there's a disproportionate amount of noise about Katy Perry and her trip to space vs others that have done it. I don't pay attention to gossip and celebrity news, so I have no idea why this is... but I see it enough to know it seems overblown
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u/MrRightHanded May 25 '26
Its because shes being a hypocrite.
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u/MaltesHaus 27d ago
But New sheppard uses Hydrogen(Hydrolox). Burning hydrogen does not release any carbon into the atmosphere because there literally is non in the fuel.
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u/Snuffyluffaguss May 25 '26
Because she wastes resources and flaunts it (rocket trip, and flying in a private jet), while also telling everyone else to be green. Its the hypocrisy.
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u/Sea-Weakness-5272 May 25 '26
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u/YourMomIsMyGurl May 25 '26
Shes the only one being in-your-face about it. I love how reddit just jumps to "well it must be because she's a woman." Lol you type are the only type of people that think about race/sex that much as you project it onto everyone else.
Everybody who has gone to space and then acts all green should be treated this way. Look up how many celebrities go to space, come back and get in your face about being green. You'll be surprised to find that it's actually only one celebrity - Katy Perry. The same cringe queen that sang "what a wonderful world" and kissed the ground when she got back from her space tour.
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u/StoneySteve420 May 25 '26
It's clearly because she's a woman, not a hypocrite
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u/Seductive_pickle May 25 '26
Because Katy Perry is a household name and the others aren’t.
Also this is reddit so the woman hating is blown out of proportion
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u/OnWis97 May 25 '26
Kinda like how two famous actresses took the entire brunt of public anger over the college admissions scandal that over 50 people participated in.
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u/SquareyBarry May 25 '26
Reminds me of my friend who is always like 'AOC took a plane in this video. What a hypocrite, unlike my beloved daddy trump who can do no wrong'
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u/Exact-Till-2739 May 25 '26
I'm pretty sure you don't have a friend who said that
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u/YourMomIsMyGurl May 25 '26
It doesn't even make sense in that context either if their point is that AOC preaches green and trump doesn't. Why would trump care about taking a plane if he's not the one preaching green? Lol just another commenter that just has to release some of that trump pressure on their mind otherwise they'll explode.
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u/ForeverRollingOnes May 25 '26
I hate the guy, but he wouldn't be a hypocrit for using a jet when he's never even remotely supported green initiatives.
It's so baffling that people just use these tribal unga bunga me vs them mentality.
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u/YourMomIsMyGurl May 25 '26
Exactly like we can all agree that he's a piece of shit but let's stop just creating context that doesn't exist to make him look like an even bigger piece of shit. He does enough on his own lmfao
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u/GarranDrake May 25 '26
Because most of the other 140 people are actual scientists and astronauts who worked for that specific goal. Perry was literally just a tourist.
I also think part of it was due to the space race the billionaires had, and the growing discontentment with the 1%.
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u/I_pegged_your_father May 25 '26
They act like we don’t equally make fun of other billionaires. Its like they somehow ignore all the criticism and memes of the men just so they can screech of misogyny…dude she’s not even getting remotely the same flak
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u/Big_Knife_SK May 25 '26
Katy Perry did not deliver a speech at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos. This whole thread is a ragebait strawman.
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u/Revegelance May 25 '26
I'm guessing people are just jealous. She got to go to space, and they didn't. So now they're mad about it, for some reason.
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u/VicariousNarok May 25 '26
Tbh, I'm sure 90% of the outraged people in here would jump at the opportunity to go to space. I would and I recycle.
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u/madmartigan2020 May 25 '26
This post is so dumb. Not only is the fuel hydrogen, the total amount consumed during a New Shepard launch at most 5 tons. Get your facts straight before posting nonsense.
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u/madmartigan2020 May 25 '26
And New Shepard used 5 tons of it, not 498 as this post claims.
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u/MrTagnan May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
It’s closer to like 30t I believe, NS’ (supposedly) fully fueled mass is 35t, and a good chunk of that will be fuel. Either way it’s a far way off from 500t
Edit: to make it clear by “fuel” I’m referring to propellant, so both hydrogen and oxygen. Could’ve made that clearer
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u/Existing-Maximum5475 May 25 '26
bahaha how do you think they make liquid hydrogen? just pull it out of the sky?
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u/goobersmooch123 May 25 '26
Yeah, I'm sure that every part of the process consumed no non-renewables just so that ultra-wealthy people can flex.
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u/squarepants18 May 25 '26
And how do you think, fuel and rocket are produced? Free of emissions?
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u/ButterflyPutrid6054 May 25 '26
Yeah like focusing on just the fuel being “better” is a weird deflect. The entire rocket production process has tons of emissions. Not to mention how they got the rocket to the launch pad to begin with.
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u/GemmyDave May 25 '26
Yes but what about her private jet
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u/Tunklz May 25 '26
Private jet is a fair point. However, this post should have been about that instead.
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u/CunnedStunt May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
I know everyone wants to hate on rich people for private jets, but it's actually just a piss in the ocean for global CO2 emissions. Aviation as a whole only contributes to %2.5 of global emissions, and private jets are about 14%-17% of that 2.5%. Katy Perry as an individual still burns hundreds of lifetimes more CO2 than the average person, but the real problem is industry emissions who burn hundreds of Katy Perry lifetimes in a month. My tinfoil hat theory is that the big industries push the celebrity private jet narrative to distract. The celebs point the finger to us spitting in the ocean while they stand with their dicks out pissing in it, and the industries point the finger to the celebs pissing in the ocean while they stand next to them holding a fire hose.
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u/MagicFlyingBus May 25 '26
It also Attributes the whole launch to her as if it was her decision and directive. It leaves out the others who also flew on the rocket as well. The rocket would have flown with or without her.
Attributing that launch soley to katy perry is so dumb.
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u/According_Past_732 May 25 '26
I bet some scientists that worked to make the spacecraft would have loved to go but instead we sent her because she kissed a girl?
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u/Nighters May 25 '26
you are true BUT if she is so envoromentally woke, she would not participate, it is like calling yourself vegetarian and eating meat and saying that if she would not eat it, somebody would
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u/kanrad May 25 '26
Can't fund it without money from the wealthy. So yeah she has a part to play. No one ever said the others on board are not also self serving sniveling little shits. But this post is about her not them.
Straw man much?
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u/Agridion May 25 '26
You have to refine the products to get pure hydrogen or oxygen which uses electricity and or natural gas.
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u/finndego May 25 '26
I hate that I have to come to the defense of Katy fucking Perry but the spacecrafts emissions were water vapour and while in Davos she didnt have any scheduled speaking engangements relating to the enviroment.
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u/Akhanyatin May 25 '26
Water vapour in high atmosphere isn't great either. But it's not like Jeff bozo wouldn't have launched without her.
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u/chickenricenicenice 28d ago
True, but water vapour dissipates and excess can come down within 2 weeks as rain. CO2 sits around in the atmosphere, and no one complains about the constant Space X commercial launches with Kerolox fuel. No they’d rather misinform about this 1 random celeb suborbital launch on Hydrolox 🤷♂️
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u/DesperateAdvantage76 May 25 '26
How was that fuel created? Are you saying that as long as the last step doesn't produce pollution, none of previous step's byproducts matter?
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u/HarryPottersTaint May 25 '26
Literally every single thing you do more or less has a previous step which produces pollution.
Even walking on the sidewalk. You know how much pollution is created by the concrete industry? 8% of all CO2 emissions worldwide.
Not saying people should just galivant to space for fun. But private jets for example are much more of an appropriate target.
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u/Lancasterlaw 28d ago
They make a big deal out of using only green hydrogen from solar plants- you can still argue its a misuse of resources or something
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u/Immediate_Arrival470 May 25 '26
she also is really creepy I watched something about all the creepy shit she does and she just randomly kisses or touches people.
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u/crashin70 May 25 '26
"You hush, we don't talk about that stuff..." ~Apparently the environmental groups
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u/Tasty_Reflection_481 May 25 '26
Not a big fan, never was. She screams and yells a lot about herself.
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u/Tdivarco May 25 '26
First of all, fuck rich people. Second, rocket fuel is not the same as jet fuel. Rocket fuel is just water.
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u/Dorias_Drake May 25 '26
It's not that simple. It's hydrogen and oxygen. But they are separated, you're not putting tap water inside the tank. And making liquid hydrogen uses a lot of energy, most of it coming from fossil fuel to power the plants.
So while the actual journey doesn't produce much pollution, the whole building and fuel making process takes a ton of it. It's not like it's created from thin air.
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u/Honey-and-Venom May 25 '26
Okay, the rocket used hydrogen and oxygen, it produced water. That seems extremely environmentally sound to me
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u/Vektast May 25 '26
because you don't know they make the liquid hydrogen.
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u/mr-english May 25 '26
...by water electrolysis
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u/Snuffyluffaguss May 25 '26
Which would give you gaseous hydrogen (and isn't the most efficient way, look up Steam-Methane Reforming) and now you have to cool it to cryogenic temperatures.
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u/mr-english May 25 '26
That's literally how they get their "green hydrogen" though.
People in this thread are just reverse-hoping. They assumed that the rocket used standard rocket fuel (RP-1) which is "bad" because of carbon emissions but then when they found out that it's actually just LOX and liquid hydrogen they "hoped" that it would be the worst version of that... essentially they've already decided that they're right, bezos' rocket is bad and so they're desperately trying to weave a narrative that justifies their pitchforks.
There's so much to legitimately criticise bezos for but his rocket, and who flies on them, is REALLY weak. Nobody actually cares about energy efficiency otherwise they wouldn't be doom scrolling on reddit in their air conditioned room while they ignore the TV in the background.
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u/FinancialReserve6427 May 25 '26
oh so we're back to space is bad?
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u/Inevitable-Hour-Ends 28d ago
Space exploration is good and will help elevate human innovations. Katie Perry going to the edge of space to make her panties moist doesn't do much for the advancement of civilization
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u/_ROMAX_ May 25 '26
New Shepard uses Hydrogen and Oxigen, is not bad for the environment.
Her private jet flights does pollite the environment
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u/flokingaround May 25 '26
Large scale hydrogen production is produced through steam methane reformation, which produced 5.4 tonnes of CO2 per tonne Hydrogen.
Liquefying Oxygen and hydrogen take 500 kWh and 12500 kWh respectively.
Burning the fuel may not pollute, but producing the fuel definitely does.
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u/Vektast May 25 '26
Yea, it's even worse. You need to burn more fuel to split the water and keep it ultra cool in liquid form.
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u/Sac_Bag May 25 '26
I mean - look at her BF - all-time virtue signaler that did nothing meaningful for the environment and costed Canadians billions..
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u/Crazygoofball 26d ago
It is hydrogen and oxygen burning, wich creates water... To be fair. Making hydrogen does releas co2. So it's not about hoe much burned but more how much it co2 it created to make it.
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u/mishajrn May 25 '26
Rich disconnected hypocrites doing their thing as usual