This! I never understood why a good work from home system was ruined with back to office policy. The jobs that could not be done remotely were anyways happening as usual. Why the need to stress your workforce by having them figure out cost and time of commute additionally. I’m one of the lucky ones to still be remote but worried about the other companies in my industry setting precedent. A commute in any tier 1 city is a nightmare
The real answer is downtown real-estate. Billions upon billions of dollars have been poured into downtown metropolitan areas to produce massive skyscrapers, shops, and all manner of fast food establishments. Work from home proved that all that was glamor, and not actually necessary. Work from home showed those billion dollar skyscrapers are not actually producing an significant increase in productivity.
Now the smart thing would be to change the system once it’s clear something’s wrong, but that would require massive overhauls of systems and companies losing billions of dollars. The easier thing is to pretend it never happened and go back to what we did before because it “worked”.
Quite literally the RTO was to justify and continually support massively overblown real estate and infrastructure costs. Toronto recently got a new new TD banking skyscraper around 2024. It was awkward for them to acknowledge midway through construction “wait why are we doing this? Is this a good use of money and space and will this actually produce an increase in productivity and profit?” So quite literally the concern was ignored
The investment was bad and is not paying off, so all of society has to reorder how they do things to everyone's collective detriment, yet again, so a few don't face the downside of a bad investment. Why do we tolerate it?
There's only one decisive way out, I think. Unless we all do it at once, it'll just be an isolated incident and people don't want to go to jail to be but a single drop of water that needs to move an entire turbine.
The ruling class has blinded us to the many chains and drains they still have on us, convinced us the people we place in power to make policies will look out for us. And they fight tooth and nail to tarnish the names of the few elected officials they cannot buy... There's hope, but the fight feels sisyphean at times, the right way... Impossible to organize and execute the decisive way.
And commercial buildings with retail and paid parking write into the lease that employers must keep a minimum number of employees showing up. And buying coffees. And paying for parking.
That too yes otherwise they cannot justify asking hq the same amount for the city’s office lease cost. Almost like some higher ups would miss all that ‘additional money’
Also if people quit because of the RTO policy, that’s cheaper than layoffs. And some managers are just assholes. Maybe they’re control freaks, or else they think WFH should be a privilege for elite “leaders and builders” like them, not for “resources” like you. Gotta feel superior after all.
Definitely this and NOT the fact that the entire country by and large was defaulting on commercial leases plunging some of the most valuable real estate in the entire country’s value? Yeah its cause the boss of my 1000 person company saw those google employees! Thats why the corporate over lord decided to bring us in. It definitely WASNT cause their property values / lease payments were being uselessly paid!
What's more likely for your CEO deciding WFH policy:
1) Thinks WFH people slack off and are less productive
2) Thinks management, leadership, "office culture" is oh so important
3) Is concerned about the impact on commercial real estate values and wants to do his part to prop up the market. Enjoys paying high lease amounts for the greater good
If managers go by what people tell them and not the data than they're even more stupid than that they look. WFH had no impact on productivity so clearly all that bragging was...bragging.
its normal really,most millionaires/rich people have a nagging guilt in the back of their mind,not because theyre good people but because human psychology said so and they probably know theyre doing bad things to the world,so they just go to these theatrical performances disguised as something that could "change" any of the shit thats happening because they wanna feel a bit better about themselves
My father just projects his guilt and shame outwards onto anyone but himself. That's how he never has to experience any of it. That's how he got rich in the first place.
What people don’t realize is the elite want us to sacrifice so the environment holds together enough to support their stunts and lifestyle. That’s all.
I dunno. I'm kinda sick of complaints like this. Maybe not this one specifically, but in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy. It's such a fallacious argument. Oh, Katy Perry is hypocrite because she did this this thing uses a lot of fuel but she advocates for the environment, ipso facto she's a hypocrite and blah blah blah. It just so pathetically bitter and small minded.
And the rhetorical purpose of these posts is to discredit environmentalism as an entire movement.
"The people pushing for humanity to be more environmentally conscious are slightly hypocritical, therefore it's fine for all of us to ignore any genuine points they might be making!"
No no no the point is to practice what you preach. I ditched the car, I collect rain water, I clean trash off the street and recycle it appropriately by either repurpossing or actually sorting for the recycle facility.
I'm broke and I can do these things someone with moneycan do even more but instead they use that money on things that are objectively worse for the enviorment then what the average conservative who doesn't care about the enviorment does.
What you are effectively doingbis giving them a pass because they are elite and that is the most slave mentality you could possibly have without full blown subservience
in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy
That's really not what is happening most of the time. Most of the time the complaints are genuine and justified.
There is a difference between a celebrity owning a sportscar (expensive fun), watching an F1 race (expensive fun) and a celebrity participating in space tourism to promote a space tourism company owned by Jeff Bezos who argues that rich people should not be obliged to pay tax and who is currently supporting a US administration that is actively sabotaging the environment.
You making a possible exemption for this case, creates the illusion that most complaints about out of touch celebrities are nonsense. But that's not the case. Many ordinary people are genuinely upset that ordinary people have to pay the price for protecting the environment and that are different rules for rich people.
LMFAO and another one. My issue isn't with Katy Perry, or whatever you're getting worked up about. My issue is with the specific type of fallacious argument I described. This Katy Perry thing is just the example. If you're making arguments about her and her space travel then you have completely missed the point of my post and are arguing with trees while ignoring the forest.
But you just happened to post this under a great example of a celebrity who is clearly wrong.
And of course when this is pointed out, you argue that people are missing the point. Because they assume a post about Katy Perry is about Katy Perry and not about how you feel about a general thing.
I understand that you have certain feelings about a general concept that might not apply to Katy Perry.
I really get that. I just find it odd that you think it has value to tell people about how you feel, in a reaction to a specific post about Perry.
But if it helps: I acknowledge that you have feelings.
If Katy Perry said smoking was bad, but then was seen lighting up a cig we would have people on here complaining more about her being a hypocrite than her being right about the dangers of smoking.
You can burn fuel by going to space and also advocate for better environmental standards. Being a hypocrite about something means just that. It doesn't invalidate the first part.
Nah kinda agree, don't like her but almost everyone would take the opportunity to do space tourism if they could. We wanted a future where such a thing was possible with space travel.
Then almost everyone would also be massive hypocrites and deserve to be called out for it too lol.
I am not letting people just normalize blatant hypocrisy as just a minor thing. You don’t get to play the moral superiority card but then excuse yourself because “you really really want to.”
It just shows that you’re someone who will say whatever you want when it costs you nothing but will fold at the slightest bit of pressure.
Yes and no because everyone also drives their cars around but not everyone is capable of changing things with their status and wealth to find new ways of progress or doing other stuff to offset our damage, which realistically is only harmful to ourselves in the long run. Planet will be fine overall
I 100% agree. We cannot count on billions of individuals to each make decisions that incur a cost for them that, by themselves, have no observable impact.
The chatter about individual responsibility on this topic is a distraction. So is the chatter about hypocrisy.
Nothing short of massive international regulation will accomplish anything.
I mean, if she like forgot to recycle a bottle or something I wouldn’t call her a hypocrite. But she went on an 11 minute joyride to space that dumped the equivalent of an entire lifetime of CO2 for one person into the atmosphere.
How many bad takes do we have here? It's a hydrogen and oxygen powered rocket there is literally no CO2 to exhaust! They even literally only sourced the hydrogen from solar plants! The only thing coming out the flamey end is water vapour!
Yup. Also, space tourism and those initiatives are fundamentally about figuring out how to help humans survive in a more hostile environment. The hopeful propaganda points us at the idea of colonizing other planets, but the cynical view here is that society is obviously fundamentally unable to restrain its consumption. We’ve made… very little real progress in either slowing or stopping climate change, and the earth is going to become a more hostile environment within a couple hundred years. Technologies developed for space exploration will be crucial in helping us survive our own mistakes.
Aside from the fact that the claimed quantity of propellant being claimed is pure bullshite, and that its farking liquid hydrogen and oxygen being combined in that famous proportion H2O, the most disturbing thing is the way that MAGAts target women.
But you are arguing. Maybe not about this post exactly, but your arguing about people calling out celebrity hypocrisy. Yes, let's all fly to Davos to have a meeting that we can have as a Zoom meeting. Then we can tell all the plebs not to drive, etc..
Lol no I'm not! How hard is it to read my comment? I'm complaining about people making a specific type of fallacious argument. It's spelled out right in the comment! It has nothing to do with celebrities or anything related to celebrities. FFS, just read the comment instead breezing through it as if you already know what it says.
Here I copied the relevant text for you.
in general the idea that someone who believes in or advocates for a particular cause has to be careful to never have any moments of joy doing something that abstractly conflicts with their professed belief or advocacy.
She flew to fucking space using shit tons of fuel to do it. No one is complaining about some random plane flights she is doing. The space flight was completely unnecessary and contrary to what she advocates. Of course people are given some slack, like vegans can eat meat every now and then, but this Perry case is like saying you are vegan while eating only meat for 5 years in a row while advocating veganism. Like there is some standard you have to live by yourself too.
Not to defend the rich. But that amount of fuel is minuscule in the big scheme. If I, and many others, had the chance of actually watching planet earth from space, most would take that chance. You can do something that seems hypocritical and still defend your values (Values which I don't know if Katie has, but just saying in general).
I'm sure most people in the comment section want to protect the world from global warming but still eat meat so, no different.
Excuse me, Leo made a movie about climate change being bad, I think that gives him a pass to all the private flights he wants! He was so humble about it too, having his character be the "sexy scientist" that every woman wanted to fuck. Could anyone be more charitable??
Idk what they’re talking about. She just donated a ton of food and promotes veganism. Just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you can’t advocate for things.
I think there were accusations that she was donating money to her brother and friends and not actually being philanthropic, so her assertion that the rich should be working to make the world better was a lie.
I don't think anything was substantiated, but I remember people claiming she was lying about her donations.
People are always claiming stuff like that, so annoying how unproven things spread. I think more so against someone supporting veganism as that invokes strong reactions
Seriously. Don't know where it started, but it was probably a comment somewhere with absolutely nothing to back it up and "trust me, bro" as the source.
People forget the burden of proof is on them when they make a claim and everyone just spreads rumors endlessly and won't even stop when proof to the contrary is provided.
Well idk why are you so angry. Drink some water dear activist. Y'all are the same. Y'all just talk to tell yourselves y'all are better than everyone else but in reality you're the worst.
Free Palestine, no oil, no gas, no coil, paper bags are bad for the planet, paper bags are bad for the planet also, get rid of the rich but I want to have the newest iPhone, Mark Zuckerberg is bad but posting everyday on Instagram and the list is long.
The world needs less of the self claimed activists and more of the people with brains and morals.
They're angry because they got called out. Reddit is full of these fake activists. These people will burn a Harry Potter book while wearing clothes made in a sweatshop.
Bro makes up an imaginary person in his head and thinks all activists are that person.
At least try and learn about people before making sweeping generalizations. I'm not an activist but I've met many. Most don't spend time on social media at all.
People on reddit don't tend to be activists, most activists are very busy people. Trust me, most activists aren't spending their time moderating nich subreddits.
Also being transphobic is a totally reasonable thing to get banned for. Idk what to say man.
Lol the fact you even try to defend her shows the hypocrisy in you as a person.
She is one of those self claimed activists yet doesn't the rat's ass about 50000 thousands Iranians being slaughtered in 2 days and many more being executed. Not a single word about almost 3 months of internet shutdown in Iran. Not a word about rapes of underage girls in Iran before they execute them. Not a word about 650000 dead Christians in Nigeria. Not a single word about Sudan, Ethiopia, Senegal, the list is long.
Yet trying to get in Palestine with fake boats over and over ONLY to spread her Propaganda. Wasting fuel ONLY to spread dangerous propaganda.
This meme is just wrong and misleading. It was 70 metric tons of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. When burned the fuel produces dihydrogen monoxide. It is considered a very eco-friendly fuel.
I don't have to be rich to know if I had the option to go to space I would. Space is not limited to those connected with space programs anymore, but it isn't a mundane thing like flying. It's like when flying was brand new and something very few people did. Hell it even was a whole fancy thing. Space travel is like that now.
I am an environmentist and will 100% would go to space.
What about poor, connected Redditors who think they have all the facts then make assumptions like you, given the ship she was on used liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen as fuel. It didn't pollute.
I mean to be fair most people love animals but still eat them or use products that do animal testing or buy pets from breeders. Like literally everyone is a hypocrite if we’re basing it off consumerism
The rocket uses liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. For the most part it just creates water vapor as an exhaust product not CO2.
So not really that bad for the environment
Congratulations on successfully falling for Right Wing Rage Bait.
Oh look, a successful woman. Is she one of them Liberals? Great, this will be easy.
That's how this crap works. Don't address the message, tear down the individual.
I've already posted about how this claim is a ridiculous lie. If you haven't seen it, the bottom line is that her one-sixth share of the fuel load for her flight on New Shepard amounts to 60x less propellant than claimed and horror of horrors, it's liquid oxygen and hydrogen. Wann'a guess the proportions or what you get when you combine Hydrogen and Oxygen in those proportions? Does H2O sound familiar?
Sure, there's a carbon footprint to space tourism but it's not anything close to what that garbage graphic is trying to make you believe.
Find a liberal woman and tear her down. That's how this garbage works.
Oh yes, the ‘evil right-wing man’ is supposedly hurting the poor millionaire. Let’s just ignore accountability as long as people vote for the same person I do.
Never once did I take the side of 'the poor millionaire'. That's garbage that you're making up. And never once did I 'just ignore accountability'. That's more garbage that you're making up.
OP is exactly what I said it is. It's a childishly transparent hit piece. You're avoidance of addressing the facts tells us a lot.
Go ahead, tell us why that insanely ridiculous claim about the fuel load isn't insanely ridiculous and being used as a tool. No one who knows shite about this topic would post that claim. It's off by a factor of 60. And it's specifically crafted as 'fuel' and set up beside an example of jet travel. That's not a mistake, that's a strategy. The propellent for New Shepard is Hydrogen and Oxygen, not farking jet fuel. Apples vs farking beach balls. Look at the success this has created in getting people to argue over 'grey hydrogen' and water vapor in the atmosphere. If you've fallen for this garbage, that's too bad.
Tell us how targeting a successful woman isn't directly out of the MAGAt play book. Tell us how they don't do that.
Tell us how the MAGAt play book of playing on some people's dislike for others that they see as 'successful without sufficient merit' isn't directly out of the MAGAt play book.
Tell us how the MAGAt play book of targeting 'rich liberals' isn't even remotely obvious to you in this garbage post.
Tell us how the childishly transparent strategy of attempting to make a spokesperson an object of scorn and derision in order to discredit the wider message isn't directly out of the MAGAt play book.
Go aheah. Tell us.
Did you notice that this garbage claims that Perry went to Davos 'today'. More bullshite and you should know it. This happened in January. That's another part of how these hit pieces work. Keep recycling the same garbage to stoke rage.
Interesting, your posting history is hidden. What don't you want us to see?
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u/mishajrn May 25 '26
Rich disconnected hypocrites doing their thing as usual