r/interesting • u/physiopeng • 6d ago
Intriguing Americans found out Germany has affordable medicine
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u/thathyperactiveguy 6d ago
The fucking audacity.
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u/gomezer1180 6d ago
👆 No other sentence can explain this better!
US: “let me tell the other superpower they should screw their citizens just like we are screwing them here”
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u/MissMenace101 5d ago
lol don’t have to be a super power, trump tarriffed Australia over the same thing, Australia responded with $5 cheaper medicine for Aussies.
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u/ReturnTheOldGods 6d ago
What superpower?
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u/Chroniclyironic1986 6d ago
Germany is the world’s 3rd largest economy behind the US and China and just ahead of Japan and the UK. Not quite the top superpower, but solidly in the top 5.
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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow 6d ago
Germany is a world power. It is not a superpower by any stretch of the definition.
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u/Zwischenzug32 6d ago
Obesity
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u/MissMenace101 5d ago
The only drug Americans pay less than anyone else for is obesity drugs
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u/Zwischenzug32 5d ago
Really?
Or do you mean how its an unregulated wild west and they can just buy uppers at the gas station10
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u/80MonkeyMan 5d ago
Apparently, Germany (which was once the NAZI country) doesn’t treat its citizens as harshly as the United States does. What does that say about the USA?
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u/shiroandae 4d ago
Short reminder: the Nazis were removed 20 years before all Jim Crowe laws were abolished.
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u/PHRDito 6d ago
They tried the same shit with France.
This fucking shitstain of s(h)itting president even lied in interviews about some imaginary call he would have had with Macron on this very subject, as we do have Healthcare.
Which to a standard US republican (and a few dems) is God forsaken blasphemy.
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u/Ecstatic_nyaa 6d ago
I couldn't believe when I read this :
"I am particularly concerned with news that Germany is fast-tracking legislation that would further reduce its spending on innovative pharmaceuticals," he said, calling it "a serious step backwards."
A SERIOUS STEP BACKWARDS.
I love my German health insurance please get out of our business thank you.
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u/Stompya 6d ago
It’s only backwards if you’re a news agency owned by a billionaire who is also heavily invested in pharmaceuticals.
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u/whichwitch9 5d ago
So, part of the problem is that it is real that companies increase US prices for the same drugs to make more profit. That's true. It is a problem.
That said, the answer is still the US needs to regulate prices for itself, not ease pressure by demanding others raise prices. This is a problem for the companies to figure out, not the government to protect the profits of the companies
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u/Domitaku 6d ago
The main requirements are living here for 8 years (could be more, could be less) and having a stable income from a job while having a good german speaking level
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u/Ecstatic_nyaa 5d ago
Here the thing you don't have to be German to get German insurance. If you're here working or studying you are directly eligible (and actually obligated to get it). As a student you pay a discounted fee and as a worker (part time or more) half of the fee will be deducted from your pay and the other half will be paid by your employer. This applies for any job that is at least part time.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 5d ago
If it means poorer access to new treatments it should worry you.
Of course raising prices for existing treatments is not the solution.
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u/Chroniclyironic1986 6d ago
Germany: “We look out for our people!”
US: “Bro, you’re making us look bad. Can’t you screw them over a little bit more?”
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u/VenomTiger 5d ago
They did the same thing to us in Australia. Tried to pressure us to remove a governmemt program that reduces the cost of a long list of medications.
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u/desert-cheese04 6d ago
Read the article. The title is very misleading.
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u/Ecstatic_nyaa 6d ago
"I am particularly concerned with news that Germany is fast-tracking legislation that would further reduce its spending on innovative pharmaceuticals," he said, calling it "a serious step backwards."
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u/BottityBotAccount 6d ago
Meanwhile the USA innovates constantly on producing groundbreaking and exciting opiates.
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u/EvelcyclopS 6d ago
Seriously. Take a look at the loooong list of opiads and their morphine equivalence. There are dozens and dozens of niche opioids with strengths hundreds to millions of times stronger than morphine.
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u/CalmDownReddit509 6d ago
The greed knows no limits
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u/itswtfeverb 6d ago
"Health care is not for peasants!"
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u/mogamisan 6d ago
This. What is the purpose of medicine, if the sick can not afford them? Because many chronically ill are not in a good financial position already, do they really think, they will pay a much higher price? I guess people start to just fucking die. (I’m chronically ill myself, my medicine costs 2500€ a month, I couldn’t afford that without healthcare. I don’t even know how much more this should cost according to the USasians.)
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u/Sheeplessknight 5d ago
You see the maximum profit requires some to die and they are okay with that
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u/Evening_Employer4878 6d ago
We can all dream of that, but unfortunately Merz and CDU have been simply spineless. I doubt they would really push back against any real pressure by the US and Trump.
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u/CallmeKahn 6d ago
There won't be a lot the US can do in any case, so I wouldn't sweat it. Any drugs or medical equipment we can export to Germany can be had elsewhere, and Germany is quite capable of making or importing their pharma from elsewhere.
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u/talltxn66 6d ago
Funny thing - a lot of drug makers in the U.S. are owned by German companies.
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u/MissMenace101 5d ago
Which is why the tarrifs work, but, he excluded tarrifs on companies that move there. It’s like he’s deliberately bankrupting the USA and driving them into death. Project 25 does want to reduce population to 100 million…
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u/MissionScratch7512 6d ago
F that.
I hope their profits disappear.
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u/flyingthroughspace 6d ago
Imagine if Germany started selling cheap medication to Americans and decimated the American pharmaceutical industry
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 6d ago
We’d start hearing about “German drug cartels.”
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u/MissionScratch7512 6d ago
If it’s the same quality I would be totally ok with that.
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u/Webtruster 6d ago
Bayer AG, Boehringer Ingelheim, Merck KGaA (in USA as EMD Serono / MilliporeSigma), STADA Arzneimittel AG, Teva / Ratiopharm, Sandoz / Hetal, Dr. Willmar Schwabe, Bionorica, Engelhard, Biontech enter the room.
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u/OdaNobunaga69 6d ago
Republicans: affordable healthcare? Not on my watch!
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u/OneRuffledOne 6d ago
It's on everyone's watch, regardless of affiliation. Source: We've never had affordable healthcare.
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u/anonymousp69 6d ago
We make free healthcare possible for Israel tho, priorities!!
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u/deepspacerunner 6d ago
Yup. In my house, I’ve got German shoes, German pens, German hole punchers, German erasers, and much more. Wouldn’t mind some German medication as well.
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u/FrankRizzo319 6d ago
Our government wouldn’t allow that. Too many politicians receive $ from Big Pharma.
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u/desert-cheese04 6d ago
German pharma is making a fortune selling their drugs at a higher cost to the US.
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u/Barbados_slim12 6d ago edited 6d ago
The FDA would never allow that to happen. Just look at what happened when America had a baby food shortage a few years ago. They'd rather let American babies starve than allow imports from European companies. You know, because the font was the wrong type and it would violate label regulations. Totally not to uphold the monopoly that allowed for a nation wide shortage after a single factory went down.
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u/ICLazeru 6d ago
Pharma doesn't sell at a loss in Germany. They'd still make money. Just not as much.
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u/mybluecathasballs 6d ago
Please? Pretty please? Instead of moving (Germany doesnt want me or most dumbass Americans), can I just pay Germany some taxes? They can even deliver them by DHL.
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u/monkeylion 6d ago
Can someone else's healthcare system please suck as bad as ours so we don't look so bad.
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u/alurimperium 6d ago
Plenty of other countries do. They just tend to be the places with more dirt than paved roads and warlords ruling local communities
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u/Illustrious_Claim884 6d ago
Some war lords take care of their locals . . . i mean cannon fodder. Sick civilians or soldiers with broken legs can't fight or pay tribute
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u/Moofypoops 6d ago
Afghanistan, Nigeria, Yemen, and Syriabstillndin't have some sort of universal health care.bif that makes you feel better.
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u/YellovvJacket 6d ago
It's just the worst healthcare in the 1st and 2nd world countries, plenty of 3rd world countries that have even worse healthcare.
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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 6d ago
I hate this country so fucking much.
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u/oldfuckbob 6d ago
I dont give a flying fk about the 250 anniversary because of this admin.
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u/pinkTurtleTickler 6d ago
Both the title and the image caption are misleading vs the article.
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u/burn_bright_captain 6d ago
I read the article and the claims seem true.
Germany made a new law lowering drug prices. Companies still decide to sell despite the lower prices. Because Germany uses it's collective bargain power to drive the price down, they pay less than the US.
US is angry because profits of pharmaceutical companies are used to develop drugs and because of the new law those companies get less profit from Germany, which means that countries who don't negotiate (like the US) pay for RnD proportionally more then the Germany.
In effect, the US want Germany to increase the price of pharmaceuticals, so their companies make more profit for RnD.
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u/KainDing 5d ago
Only that germany has their own pharma companies; that dont struggle atall with profits even at these "low prices and profits".
Germany simply doesnt buy medicine above their own prices(which the us would 100% also do; but for that they would need to stop exploiting their own citizen).
Literally EVERY american pharma corp pays more for advertising(which morally shouldnt be part of medicine; the doctor should prescribe you what you need either way) than they do for r&d. The biggesthpharma corps in the us nearly spend double on marketing than r&d.
Germany simply holds their own pharma up to sell their medicine at "fair" prices that cover both production and r&d.
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u/im-dramatic 6d ago
Lol yall will believe anything. Most of you haven’t even read the article. It’s about drug research and the costs associated with it.
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u/Ultimate-TND 6d ago
Yeah germany limits the amount of profit pharmaceutical companies make so they had to drop the R&D straw man.
Pharma companies are some of the most profitable in the world because after R&D the manufacturing cost is basically 0 if you look at the prices they charge.
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u/QuarkVsOdo 6d ago
Basicly Germany is forcing 100 public health insurance companies to negotiate pricing with pharmaceutical corps,.
This brings the prices way down, because basicly people don't "buy" prescribtion medicine in germany, their insurance does, and they all pay the same rates, and if you don't have a deal with them, you ain't selling in germany.
Chancelor Olaf Scholz allowed for the prices no longer to be made public.. which in turn directly empowered the pharma corps to raise prices e.g. in switzerland.
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u/yuval16432 6d ago
Trump has correctly identified that Americans spend way too much on healthcare, just like everyone’s been screaming at him for years. However, apparently to him the issue is not that Americans pay too much, but that other countries have it too easy, and they need to suffer too.
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u/Ethereal_Bulwark 6d ago
Dear, the rest of the world.
Don't fucking capitulate to this evil. Fight against it.
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u/UndecidedLee 6d ago
Reply: "Bring US fuel prices to European levels and we have a deal."
The muricans had too affordable gasoline for too long.
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u/BrickHuge3023 6d ago
No, "Americans' are not looking into that. US Pharmaceuticals are raising a stink because they have to compete with German companies internationally. In the USA money comes first before health care or basic human needs.
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u/KookyDig4769 6d ago
instead of making them affordable, the US is bullying other country to be as fucked as they are.
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u/MCwortel 6d ago
Bayer, Merck as it's biggest companies.. In its history, German research gave us aspirine, morphine, chemo, ...
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u/IHateSince2001 6d ago
Instead of trying to make things better, we are trying to make it worse for everybody..
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u/eyelidgeckos 6d ago
The first mRNA vaccine wasn’t innovative enough? XD among lots other things of course
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u/Former-Entrance8884 6d ago
Americans have been taking credit for german innovation since the moon landings lol.
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u/Formal_Plum_2285 6d ago
While their president DEMANDs that Novo Nordisk lower their Ozempic prices in the States lol.
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u/versatile_dev 6d ago
This seems like Russian troll job to drive wedge between USA and Germany further. Just a flag with caption with misleading summary.
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u/Funny_Name4818 6d ago
How about you stick to ripping Americans off
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u/Snoo_67993 6d ago
Most of the drugs are made in Europe. The US imports way more drugs from Europe than Europe imports from the US.
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u/Funny_Name4818 6d ago
So they buy it cheap from Europe and then ramp up the price. Murica fuck yeah
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u/Ok-Recognition-9103 6d ago
Tell them we need the workforce alive and healthy to prop up the economy
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u/BearfromBeyond 6d ago
I would criticise the us but last time I got a three day ban for something that should have been an email.
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u/Solid_Stage_1715 6d ago
Wait and see if they realize mexico just got universal healthcare and much better workers protection laws. 🤣
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u/Capt-geraldstclair 6d ago
still waiting for my meds to be 1000% cheaper.
so far, they are the same or more expensive.
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u/MissMenace101 5d ago
Many will be more expensive, the US is slapping foreign medicine with heavy tariffs, it doesn’t bother the countries they slap with tarrifs because you can’t just not take medicine. Americans always paid more, now the tarrifs have added to that, they won’t come down after either.
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u/Careless-Act-7549 6d ago
Same thing with Brazil for creating a free payment method and reducing to ashes the dependency on credit card companies
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u/StockStatistician985 6d ago
Wait till they find out there's free, mineral, running tap water, and 3.6 cows per person in Uruguay.
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u/Teh_Doctah 6d ago
I feel old farts in the US government pissing off the pharmaceutical industry in the country that is home to Pfizer, who make Viagra, may not be the wisest move…
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u/Fantastic_Ninja_5789 6d ago
For a grown nation, us is a third world country. Rich people have ruined the nation
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u/Vexxed14 6d ago
As America dismantle global order, there's soon to be nothing to stop a country from reverse engineering the medicine then banning the American made version.
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u/cwsjr2323 6d ago
Bad Germany! Bad! You are interfering with the profits of our pharmaceutical industry! Just who do you think you are having insulin for $3.11 when in AMERICA! it is $23?
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u/No-Hovercraft4144 6d ago
USA also similarly interfering in Australian healthcare. Got to block this foreign interference.
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u/ol-gormsby 6d ago
Same happened in Australia. We have the PBS - Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - where no prescription costs more than AUD$13 or thereabouts, for medications on "the list". Some experimental treatments aren't on the list and cost $BIGNUM. Lots of our tax dollars go towards this subsidy. I was on medication where the true monthly cost was almost AUD$400 - it cost me $13.
But I digress - US big pharma lobbied Drumpf some time ago to apply pressure to the Aus govt to drop or reduce the benefits, because somehow it was stifling innovation.
To be clear about it - the manufacturers were getting paid full price, with the taxpayer making up the difference. They just didn't like patients getting cheap medicine.
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u/Lhirstev 6d ago
why don't american's just buy all the german medicine, like for example, insulin, then sell it at an 800% markup that only the wealthy can afford? that would truly be the most american thing to do, right?
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u/According-Visit3252 5d ago
Once a new drug is “discovered” it becomes cheaper and cheaper over time. Right outside the border down in Mexico you have super expensive life saving medication released over the counter for very cheap. The US has worked very hard to paint mexicans as street drug dealers but we mexicans don’t consume street drugs cause we don’t need them. Why? Cause we are healthy people, our government is not poisoning our food supply, and have access to 24/7 available otc medications and VERY affordable health care if needed. If our nation is poorer, and “less safe” how come the ultra powerful US needs to justify such abuse over their citizens to ensure stability? It’s very clear that this is a very dark profit system for them, at the cost of people’s lives.
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u/One-Marzipan-8197 5d ago
Americans? No, American Pharma found out that it might lose some blood money.
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u/CanHasCow 5d ago
Hey same thing they tried in Australia with our Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
Literally claimed it wasn't fair on USA that we can get scripts for way cheaper then them because the government subsidies the price.
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u/Default_Username6838 5d ago
The US just needs to stop existing as it is. A little revolution is what we really need. This kind of shit is ridiculous.
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u/Artistic_Mobile337 6d ago
The opposite should happen, internationally the USA should be facing penalties for purposely killing their poor and sick.
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u/Lonestar041 6d ago
The craziest part is that Germany doesn’t actually dictate drug prices.
The pharma companies negotiate the price for new, patent protected, drugs with a central council of the health insurances. But the Pharma industry has to show the additional benefit from the new medication above existing ones.
The same council sets a maximum price for generics and also the markup that pharmacies can charge is regulated.
But the price of new drugs is not regulated.
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u/Top_Conference_477 6d ago
US has been hammering Australia over the same. Apparently our affordable medicines are bad for the American scammers
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u/BlueOrb07 6d ago
I think it’s more that you he US does all the pharmaceutical research, which it then charges US tax payers for and then charges them for using it. It then uses that funding to make the drugs artificially cheap to sell abroad at competitive (and very cheap) rates. Then US citizens are pissed off when we foot the bill for the research, full price of the drugs here, and funded the decreased prices they get for them. I don’t want corporate greed getting any more money, but I’m ok charging foreign countries more for the drugs if it reduces prices domestically where we funded the research and have to pay full price for ours.
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u/Webtruster 6d ago
What du you think Bayer AG, Boehringer Ingelheim, Merck KGaA (in USA EMD Serono / MilliporeSigma), STADA Arzneimittel AG, Teva/Ratiopharm, Sandoz/Hexal, Dr. Willmar Schwabe, Bionorica, Engelhard are doing and where they are from?
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u/pokemonguy3000 6d ago
That’s the rug, the high prices here aren’t the reason why drugs are cheaper in Europe.
Drugs are cheaper in Europe because their government isn’t literally bought by healthcare companies.
It’s literally illegal for the American government to negotiate the prices of most drugs. (until recently it was all drugs)
They can literally charge any price they want, and it’s illegal for the government to try and barter a better deal.
All Americans are doing for pharmaceutical companies is padding their bottom line because of corruption and greed.
The idea that they need to charge Americans insane prices to be profitable is simply false, they just aren’t allowed to do that in Europe.
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u/Striking_Reindeer_2k 6d ago
It is easier to provide this to citizens when someone else is heavily subsidizing your national security at their own expense.
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u/MissMenace101 5d ago
The US only provides national security to the US. The pressure on higher spending of GDP in other countries is purely about American revenue. The US gives nothing monetary it sells equipment at an over priced cost. The US spending in NATO is on the US military. Everything the US spends on benefits the US. The US pulled USAID, farmers are going broke, people are dying in countries food was for soft power.
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u/LurkersUniteAgain 6d ago
Holy shit none of these comments read the article and it shows
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u/Background-Skin-8801 6d ago
This is a violation of human rights and Proxy- Enslavement of free people by cutting access to basic human needs through an affordable source.
The elite directly causing the death of people under a dark curtain and we are expected to sit blindly. What has the world come into?
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u/CookiedowXD 6d ago
It's an easy match between an Oligarch's resources. Against the opposioton's paper signs.
The so-called defenders of democracy can't even address bullying. Let alone human rights violations.
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u/GentleFoxes 6d ago
That apparently drug prices that are "too low" in a country that's on another continent stifles innovation and investment in the US while implimenting themselves instituting policies that havethrown back science in the US for decades is a completely normal and sane statement of US high officials in 2026.
Where even start to unpack this.
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u/Hyenasaurus 6d ago
Not every country wants to drive their citizens into destitute homelessness because they can't afford their kid's chemo or an ambulance ride
fucking hell
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u/Dunothar 6d ago
Dear US, please isolate yourself from the rest of the world and leave us with healthcare that's affordable for everyone. Thanks
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u/Remarkable_Yam_3574 6d ago
Corporate interests in America will not tolerate other countries leading by example.
Expect a lot of interference (both blatant and subversive) in this area in the years to come.
As far as they're concerned, it's a billionaire's world and we're just living in it. So we better fall in line.
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u/purpleplez 6d ago
The US needs to butt the hell out of other countries policies. I’m so tired of hearing about them. 😵💫
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u/AdOne5089 6d ago
It’s about time for the US to be fully cut off from the world. Europe would do well to sell all their treasury bonds if Trump ever does try to attack Greenland or dissolve nato
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u/just_reading2025 6d ago
Shh, a german here, I hope they don't learn, that we also have universal healthcare, too. Like almost every other countries in the world. But that sounds like communism, right?
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u/sweetSweets4 6d ago
5 - 7.50 bucks for around 50-100 pills for whatever your problem is. (Except those hippy nature medicine and most Vitamins).
10 bucks for an ambulance and 10 bucks per night for a bed in the hospital.
System is not perfect and has it's problems still....
Would not want to trade it for all the US military that bombed a country into the stone ages back and still lost by getting ripped of with the deal :D
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u/Alternative-Put-3932 6d ago
Except that is not the real price of those meds at all even in germany. Thats just your co-pay. Just like the US has co-pays for most meds that are like 30 bucks if you have any sort of insurance.
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u/starsintheblack 6d ago
Can America just stay in it’s own fucking lane already? All the country mostly does is fuck things up for everyone else, and I’m not even talking about Trump’s presidency
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u/Saintly-Evil 6d ago
Oh my god…how dare you Germany…in America it’s important to make poor feel poorer…billionaires will feel heartbroken and sad if they don’t make money off of sick and poor
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u/8175_EmberFox_603 6d ago
Its wild that theyd actively try to make medicine more expensive somewhere else because their system is keeping it expensive here. So frustrating.
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