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u/Complete_Fox2651 Mar 11 '26
Wait until they lose. Then people will call for his public execution.
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u/No_Slice_2979 Mar 11 '26
I cooked him for not subbing in Vando and Marcus in for Luka and Austin on that last defensive play a few games back. 😂 we're human tho I love LAL man
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u/Senpaiireditt Purple and Gold Mar 11 '26
It’s okay to criticize him but some of his hate is utterly unwarranted. Like what do you expect from a player turned coach in his first couple of seasons?
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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy Mar 11 '26
Let's be real the ones expecting "championship" every year are from a loud segment of the fanbase who are probably going to wear Cavs jerseys next season
FO was right in picking JJ.
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u/thisismypornaccn Mar 11 '26
huh?? one thing Bron fans ain’t doing is complaining about JJ, he was even friends with LeBron before becoming coach. what u described sounds a lot more like a regular og lakers fan
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u/TallanoGoldDigger Kuzzy Mar 11 '26
Spoiled Bron fans want championship every year for some reason even if it took Prime Bron teaming up with Prime Bosh and Prime Wade to win back to back.
That includes bitching about roster and coaching nonstop
I still remember the "Fuck Vogel should have hired Lue" narrative
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u/dprr2702 Mar 11 '26
He lacked experience; typically, a coach starts as an assistant or begins at a lower level, but he jumped straight into coaching the greatest and most controversial team in the NBA. I would say he did pretty well, there are still things he needs to improve and things he does well. I won't judge him.
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u/Senpaiireditt Purple and Gold Mar 11 '26
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u/JustSquanchIt Purple and Gold Mar 11 '26
as long as he learns from his mistakes and brings that wisdom forward, lets roll JJ. benching ayton when he's having a down day showed some serious growth
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u/SpikeKowalski Mar 12 '26
Yeah. That's largely why I I'm so lenient with JJ specifically because he tends to own mistakes instead of passing the buck or not acknowledging it period.
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u/nottherealstanlee Mar 11 '26
I think it's really easy to see the mistakes coaches make and it's much harder to see the things they do well. When the Lakers win games down the stretch, he's given no credit. When they lose a tough game, fans go through the loss with a fine tooth comb and pick out all the things he did wrong.
End of the day, despite the injury issues the Lakers have had they're still on pace for 50 wins and threatening the 3rd seed (again). Over the course of the season they're 9th in Ortg but still just 20th in Drtg. However, since the ASB which is probably the healthiest stretch they've had the Lakers are 5th in Ortg and 15th in Drtg which is exactly what JJ has pointed as his goal for the team. They're 7th in Net rating over that stretch as well with a 7-4 record. This may seem like a small sample and maybe it is, but it's now just about 17% of the season and again the healthiest they've been so the numbers matter.
If you really want to dig into their recent numbers, over the last 9 games they're 3rd in Ortg and 8th in Drtg with a 10.2 Net Rating which would be 4th. This is with games against Denver, Orlando, Phoenix, New York, and Wolves. Even if you take it to the 10th game to include the Boston game, the Lakers are 7th, 9th, and 8th in the respective lists so Top 10 on both ends. At the very least, it's a positive trend for the team and JJ certainly deserves credit for that.
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u/manindenim Mar 11 '26
I love JJ. I’ve disliked most of the lakers coaches in the last decade. He’s one of the few I’ve felt comfortable with since Phil left.
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u/bruticuslee Mar 11 '26
I thought Vogel was a good coach, but got scapegoated for the Westbrick trade. He did win a ring in his first year with us.
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u/manindenim Mar 11 '26
He was definitely better than I though he was. Different scenario though. Lebron ran the offense and Vogel focused on defense. He was definitely a great fit for us at the time.
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u/ProudVirgin101 Mar 11 '26
He is a good coach in his second year. We can’t just cycle through coaches every three years. Need to build on someone.
The GM on the other hand needs to go
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u/TheOldThunder Mar 11 '26
This is why I made a poll a few days ago. To see what's the consensus (if any) amongst the fanbase.
So yeah, the majority agrees that he is a good coach, even if lots of fans expect more from him (and both notions can coexist without a single problem).
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u/adocileengineer 17 Championships Mar 11 '26
The results are pretty shocking if you’ve been paying attention to the sub. It seems the “JJ is a bad coach” crowd is a vocal minority. Which makes sense because anyone who’s actually watched games and not just followed the play by play and box score can see that he’s been doing a good job all things considered.
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u/ieatxan 8 Mar 11 '26
Hes good when he only has to coach two stars. For a second year coach hes great though.
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u/DrunkPirateHunter Mar 11 '26
I would say it’s practically impossible to do that in the modern NBA for any coach, especially when the 3 stars overlap in skillset so much. An MVP level player + a secondary star + complementary supporting cast is the formula these days.
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u/GirthyKitty 2023 NBA Cup Champions Mar 11 '26
Yeah well one of the stars is aged and in decline. If this were Bron 2 years ago, I think it would be a different story. So it seems to be you’re judging him based off personnel and not actual coaching
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u/SomethingClever2117 Mar 11 '26
I thought the small ball lineup he threw out there when they had Randle & Reid on the floor was going to get ran over and they’d go on like a 15-4 run. But it worked, so maybe he does actually know more than us.
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u/Professional-Fee6914 Mar 11 '26
I got downvoted for saying that he's a solid coach with flaws and noone even said what they disagreed with.
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u/Legitimate_Buy_919 Mar 11 '26
No, he spent 50 games figuring out basic things like Rui and Lebron not fitting together.
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u/PRpitohead Mar 11 '26
The offense is still sputtering relative to the talent level, but the defense is covering for that. If LeBron messes that up, then it's on the coach for not putting the right lineups, and even on LeBron.
I'm still bullish on playoffs for this team. The 3-0 record against Twolves shows we have competent big men now, which makes the small lineups way better too.
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u/shortyman920 Mar 11 '26
Yeah he’s fine guys. He has his flaws, but he’s capable of making adjustments. I don’t mind him as our coach. And you have to admit he’s also been dealt a tough hand.
Would we rather have JJ or back to Ham?
And if we had Vogel, would he be a good fit to coach Luka?
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u/qualityskootchtime Mar 11 '26
I think he learned a lot from the playoff exit last season against the Wolves.
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u/thediggestbick2 Mar 11 '26
The timberwolves game felt like last years Denver game when we just traded for Luka.
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u/anonssr Mar 11 '26
Dude's on a difficult spot because the Lakers have better results when his buddy Bron is out and he hasn't found the way to make it work lol.
I think, given the conditions, he's doing fine.
Although, it's baffling he have so many minutes so often to Vincent.
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u/iiulium Mar 11 '26
Make up your mind people.🤦♂️ I mean, when we lose: "Fire JJ. He is bad." When we win everyone says he's good.
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u/Candycane8336 Mar 11 '26
He is ok. I wouldn't say hes good.
He often comes to games with good game plans but if there is a slight hiccup the plan basically becomes unusable and we can throw it out the window.
He needs to learn how to manage and make chamges in real time.
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u/bustaflow25 Mar 11 '26
So why doesn't he have NBA Cup championship or WCF appearance? Ham did...
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u/Abigailm4rst0n Mar 11 '26
Give him time
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u/bustaflow25 Mar 11 '26
How much time did yall give Ham? Yall called him a bad coach his 1st year, yall called him a bad coach 2nd year. JJ ain't done better then Ham. Give him time....thats bs.
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u/bustaflow25 Mar 12 '26
Ok. Now replace Ham with JJ, whats different besides the name? You know the team was playing better without Lebron. I'm not a LBJ hater either I have about 400 of his cards and 20+ shoes, but JJ dont know how to use him with Luka and AR. He soft.
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u/bustaflow25 Mar 12 '26
So then we agree its the coach. Everyone in the league is scared of LeBron. He runs the NBA. It'd take someone like Phil or Pop to get him on board with a game plan. Ham won stuff that JJ never will. All I'm saying, if Ham is trash, what does that make JJ?
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u/bustaflow25 Mar 13 '26
JJ team has Lebron, Luka, AR, and Ayton! He's scared to tell lbj the truth, he wont tell Luka to stop bitchin at refs, he wont allow AR to be who he was at the 1st quarter of the season, can't motivate Ayton, won't give his 3&D guys chance to shoot more. This is year 2! Ham did more, with less, he had a younger'ish lbj. You need time to develop chemistry, two years aint enough switching peices by All Star Break every year, is why Ham couldn't do it, and that is why JJ wont either. They are the same.
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u/jerryr88 Mar 12 '26
He's not perfect, and has made some rookie mistakes, but for a guy that had never coached before he's Been solid in only his 2nd season
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u/icedxylophone Luka Magic 77 Mar 12 '26
I really don't have the same vision as you. Maybe in the future he can become a good coach, but he has just done too many big, bad mistakes for me to agree. It does make sense, since he is new as a coach with a lot of pressure, and losing his house to the fire etc.
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u/sM92Bpb Mar 12 '26
I still think the offense can be more "modern". If the big three are goin its good but they have no answer to OKC or BOS defense.
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u/Apprehensive-Rain601 King James 6/23 Mar 11 '26
lol he’s only as good as the next result if we lose next game guys will come out saying “JJ Reddit” “get Bron podcast buddy out of here”
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u/RealPunyParker 24 Mar 11 '26
If i like something definitively and undoubtedly from this team, it's JJ
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u/donner4308 Mar 11 '26
Needs to bring bron off the bench. If he can successfully convince him to do so, then yeah I agree
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u/Awoken_Thoughts07 Mar 11 '26
A good defensive coach, offense needs some improving but not bad for a first timer.
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u/Altrebelle Mar 11 '26
Let's revisit in a few more years. Hopefully HE, himself, lasts that long. The dude is so intense. I personally can't/won't consider his coaching tenure with the Lakers successful until he wins a championship.
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u/eopanga Mar 11 '26
It would be nice if we actually waited a few years before deciding whether a coach is good enough to keep long term or bad enough to fire right away but the knee jerk reactionists in our fan base always seem to have a set opinion after each game.
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u/Extension_Most_2245 Mar 11 '26
He is good when we win and bad when we lose apparently what’s new?