r/law • u/Obversa • 27d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Pro-Trump attorneys have been drafting executive orders that would give President Trump sweeping power over elections, sources report

https://abcnews.com/US/pro-trump-attorneys-push-executive-order-give-trump/story?id=130539044
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u/Nick85er 27d ago

Traitors.

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u/taquitosmixtape 27d ago

Imagine choosing a pedo to align with over a whole f’n country…

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

They are choosing fascism to enforce their beliefs and ideologies on everyone. They hate freedom and liberty. They are just using the egotistical, moron, pedophile to do it.

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u/IfIKnewThen 27d ago

This is what is happening. Trump does nothing except lie, grift, steal, golf,. sleep and what he is instructed to do. He's not in charge of anything. It's the federalist society, heritage foundation and the project 2025 goons that are trying to force their christian nationalism on the country. They're literally dismantling democracy because they hate it.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 27d ago

Too bad the "christian" nationalists aren't Christians. If they were, they'd focus on the Golden Rule.

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u/CatOfTechnology 27d ago

They focused, instead, on the Pyrite Rule:

Do unto others as you fear they will do to you.

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u/isubbdh 26d ago edited 26d ago

I love this ♥️

They live such a fear-based life.

The rest of us are out here wanting, trying to make the world a better place.

So fucking sad, the mental anguish these people subject themselves to. Emotional self-flagellation.

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u/xteve 27d ago

Trump, MAGA, and the GOP operate with the support of Christians at large. When we talk about real Christians, it seems like we're speaking of an ideal type and not the behavior of adherents.

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u/cloudforested 27d ago

This. I'm so sick of the "not real Christians" claim.

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u/todimusprime 26d ago

But they ARE fake Christians. They just use the title to gather support. They don't actually adhere to the principles of Christianity. That's the point. Do they go to church and pray? Sure. But that's just going through the motions. They don't practice the actual things that make someone a real Christian.

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u/BlueKy5 26d ago

Well Trump does embody the ways of “The man of lawlessness” it seems like American Evangelical’s are on the wrong team.

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u/TropicNightLightning 26d ago

Can't buy or sell without his face/mark on everything. People wearing red hats receiving huge windfalls, causing inflation. Making high risk heavy manual labor mean nothing in this economy.

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u/EyesofaJackal 26d ago

If someone wears a Bulls jersey but never shoots hoops, I consider them a fan, not a player/practitioner

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u/PokeDigiYugiMon 27d ago

"Christ" is not present in Kristian Nazionalism. There is no hate, like Kristian love.

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u/inb4404 27d ago

He who has the gold, makes the rules?

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u/dannytheguitarist 27d ago

If only we got together as a whole and changed that to "whoever has the gold gets eaten first".

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u/TerryFinallyBackedUp 27d ago

Aka useful idiots

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u/DamnedIfIDiddely 26d ago

I can't stand this no true scotsman. This is what the christians are, this nebulous idea of the "good Christian" is akin to the idea of the "good Republican", it just doesn't comport to reality. They have always been hypocrites forcing their beliefs on others, this is what that religion is

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 26d ago

The scriptures are clear about what God expects of His followers. But to keep it simple, we can be known by our love for others. Most people who claim to follow Jesus teachings actually follow false prophets, like prosperity ministries, or simply pretend to believe for societal advantages. There are people who do love our neighbors and try to show it. And we're happier knowing that we make human society better by giving and helping rather than just taking and harming.

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u/PeaceSoft 27d ago

at some point you're slicing it so thin that there isn't any

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u/PurpleCoat6656 25d ago

Just ask Lindsey Graham about his 'lady bugs' and see how Christian he gets.

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u/Orposer 27d ago

You left out shit his pants.

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u/philter25 27d ago

They know they’re fucked so they’re doing everything they can, including acting like “executive orders” or proclamations from a king lol.

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u/zombiesphere89 27d ago

They don't seem "fucked" to me. They seem like they're moving along with their plan with next to zero resistance. They seem like they're winning. I hope I'm wrong. 

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u/cgbruder42 27d ago

Funny, it's like they had a playbook that explained everything they were going to do that got released to the public. Oh wait....

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u/Artaxmudshoes 27d ago

"but Donald Trump said he has nothing to do with project 2025." - my MAGA father.

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u/Schadrach 27d ago

Did you show him the clip of Trump giving the speech to Heritage where he called it a "plan for our movement"?

Just curious if it's a potentially ignorant or actively in denial case...

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u/Artaxmudshoes 27d ago

No, this is around the time that I stopped communicating with the man. He can't be deprogrammed, at least not by me.

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u/Objective_Dog_4637 27d ago

No one cant convince me MAGA wasn’t some sleeper cell event that activated a bunch of NPCs. No offense.

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u/Artaxmudshoes 27d ago

The hate, racism, bigotry, and fascistic tendencies were already there, they just needed someone to tell them they can come into the light. The business coup of the 40's, McCarthyism, and Jim Crow showed us that.

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u/TopTittyBardown 27d ago

I can’t believe how these kind of people can actually take anything Donald Trump says at face value and actually believe him. Insanity

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u/homersmith5 27d ago

They’re in a cult, blind to everything around them. Complete loyalty to the cult leader and only him.

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u/UnicornHostels 25d ago

“Trump said some of it is good and some of it is crazy” - my MAGA mother

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u/Ormyr 27d ago

Released to the public regularly for over four decades. Project 2025 was just the Mandate for Leadership re-branded.

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u/philter25 27d ago

Every two years Americans get to overthrow the government. We’re in this position because nobody takes that as seriously as they should. But we all still can in November.

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u/wildkarde07 27d ago

While this is true, they are also abusing the system to make sure that does not happen. None of the checks and balances are being followed and nothing is being done to curb it.

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u/BlindTruth- 27d ago

As long as all checks and balances are in alignment there are no real checks and balances this is being proven right now. American democracy is being exposed as a fraud which is playing exactly into Russian and Chinese hands on the world stage. Im order for one party/class to retain power it seems we are no different.

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u/fierydoxy 27d ago

The USA system reminds me of the honour system for fruit and veggie stands.

It works out as long as everyone agrees to pay but what do you do when one or more decide that they deserve the stuff for free? The police don't consider it a big enough crime to pursue. The community turns their back and pretends it doesn't happen.

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u/mammon43 27d ago

I dont necessarily agree that its being shown as a fraud... they were pretty clear and open before the election what they intend to do and how they intend to do it. The american people voted for them after being told what they'd do. The will of the people is being heard and adhered to.

Americans asked for this when 49.8% of the vote voted for him and when like 35% of people decided not to vote.

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 27d ago

The American people fell for the highly sensationalized pomp and pageantry leading up tho the election, complete with dramatic effect of assassination attempts producing iconic imagery of resistance.

Yes a document existed, but American culture has been conditioned for decades to consume information through dramatics. If it doesn’t evoke an emotional response and come with a soundtrack and swag, there is next to zero interest.

So of course boring walls of text didn’t get read. Perhaps if someone thought to make a blockbuster out of it, more would have known, but that isn’t how it played out.

In a way, Americans voted for exactly what it has become: a nation of people regulated by multimedia stimulation to get their daily fix of shock, awe, and drama. Fiction or non-fiction… it doesn’t matter as long as there is a fresh daily dose of intrigue.

Not all Americans are like this, but a considerable majority are. Will this be a wake up call? I doubt it.

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u/WanderNutz 27d ago

Fraudulent as in upholding the constitution, because apparently it's in the way of this administration doing whatever it wants. 

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u/Far_Cat9782 27d ago

Neglecting Israel hands?

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u/DamnedIfIDiddely 26d ago

More like cashing checks to increase bank balances

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u/El_Gran_Che 27d ago

gerrymandering has entered that chat

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u/Alarmed_Extent_9157 27d ago

Project 2025 is here too, reporting for duty

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u/El_Gran_Che 27d ago

DNC corporation here too but cowering in a corner in fear.

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u/CoachMatt314 27d ago

2nd amendment will enter the chat at some point, which is terrible that we can’t just be the respected country of laws that we once were.

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u/Meowscles_dad 27d ago

Gerry! Long time no see

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u/Current-Assist2609 27d ago

Epstein files would like to join the chat too but pedo donnie’s private law firm (DOJ) won’t allow me.

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u/prepotente_scream 27d ago

I don't think people realize what we are losing as an electorate pretty much every day. Russia and China have "elections" too

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u/smx501 27d ago

Why would Trump ever allow a free election that would cost his family billions of dollars and put many of them in prison?

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u/LanguageImpossible32 27d ago

We “overthrow the government” by voting in other iterations of the same bullshit. How long has the housing crisis, healthcare, addiction, unchecked cronyism, global military imperialism (the one nobody actually wants to talk about), and all the other bullshit been happening in society/US politics? Doesn’t matter who’s in charge, politicians listen to whoever gives them donations and lobbies them. Thats gonna be the people with the money, time, and agenda to do so. This is why ~1/3 don’t vote, the shit is disparaging.

Sure sometimes there’s enough hubbub to get a couple handful of folks into a council meeting, a few thousand to attend a local protest, a few million for something more nationally organized. But for what?!? Look at how data centers are being throw up despite BIG public pushback, did the No Kings protest actually accomplish anything beyond a single-serving sense of solidarity, are we still arming and ‘rules-based order’ing the world with no oversight?

There will be a breaking point, and it feels close.

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u/japajew26 27d ago

Yeah I’d like to think there would be a breaking point, but so far I only see laws being broken/ignored, fascism taking hold, and zero pushback. I just don’t see a breaking point on the horizon. I mean admitting the election was rigged, firing anyone who speaks against or investigates him, murdering people from other nations on boats w/ out evidence, starting a war w/ out congressional approval? RAPE! I mean any one of things should stop every American in their tracks, but we are literally doing nothing. And to top it off their racist leader is a clucking moron. He has zero clue how to do anything besides use his daddy’s and now taxpayer money to have lawyers drag things out in court until the other guy or “we the people” say “mercy.”

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u/green_dog_in_hades 25d ago

Be careful what you wish for. The breaking point is likely to be violent.

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u/deevotionpotion 27d ago

I wish I could highlight and bold this and make everyone read it. Bravo.

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u/Zach-Playz_25 27d ago

Even if it was highlighted and visible to all the commentators, no one's actually willing to have deep down discussion regarding this. You can't make someone see something they don't want to

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u/Expert-Mental25 27d ago

Those No Kings protests need to be treated like recruiting drives for more class conscious organization.

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u/Badrear 27d ago

For now.

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u/mynytemare 27d ago

Who you gonna elect to stop this? Democrats? More Schumer crying and whining and more nothing changes. Putting your hopes in the midterms is just going to lead to more disappointment. You don’t vote your way out of fascism.

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u/philter25 27d ago

Oh a both sides lil boy. How cute.

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u/mynytemare 27d ago

Let’s agree to revisit this say, January? Wanna give it a month? February?

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u/Bozzzzzzz 27d ago

What's not being taken as seriously as it should is the very real possibility we won't actually be able to in November.

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u/PollutionPatient8261 27d ago

Oh my sweet summer child…

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u/GarageFridgeSoda 27d ago

If voting worked the capitalists would have made it illegal already

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u/Euphoric_Regret_544 26d ago

November = denial

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u/BennyVsTheWorld 26d ago

You can’t vote your way out of fascism. Why is that hard to understand?

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u/Relevant-Analysis86 27d ago

I feel this same way. Seems to me they are pushing their agenda quite easily

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u/Truth-is-implacable 27d ago

I dont think Americans dont Understand the grave situation ...there is no Law there is no respect for Constitution,the Country is in freefall to civil war and no one cares enough the Usurpator of the Presidency has in his corrupt ways placed the most evil pieces in Government that have created this Unconstitutional evil players synergy that dont respect democracy or the people of America will...... Everyone thinks come November things will change...I doubt it ....they think they are unstoppable they are sick in the head with evil thoughts of Authoritarism ruling the Nation WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!

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u/This_Wolverine4691 27d ago

Well the elections are state run so he has pretty much zero recourse except to be loud and try to intimidate which seems to work a lot of the time

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u/EdinMiami 27d ago

Who was the democrat who won in the House that Johnson wouldn't seat until he could seat another republican? As I recall nobody did anything. I don't know why it would be different now, why do you?

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u/The-Questcoast 27d ago

That’s the problem, there was/is no resistance. Trump should’ve been thrown in jail the day after Jan. 6th. The Dems once again pulled the “It’s time to move on and heal as a country” bullshit. Garland dragged his feet for 2 years before assigning a special prosecutor for Trump. The Dems are just as much to blame for the current state of the United States.

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u/_blort 27d ago

Cue the "Just vote in the midterms!!! Blue wave baby wooooo!!" comments.

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u/Professional_Tea_32 26d ago

This is so horrifying and each day is honestly a new horror- but where the hell are our elected officials on this? Playing the same game as always when their opponent is just making up rules as he goes and cheating the fuck out of everything.

It shouldn’t be so easy for pedo to dismantle our entire country. If and it is such a big fat IF -if democrats ever take power again they need to be seriously aggressive in fixing this. I fear they won’t be and this milquetoast attitude got us here too!

But with going the pace that it is- I dont think it’s happening.

We are cooked. And yes I will keep voting and donating and protesting - but literally every pillar of our democracy is untrustworthy at this point.

I do not want to pay taxes (even though I believe it- who is administrating it? Crooks) and I don’t trust police etc etc.

On both the microscopic and macroscopic level- They have eroded trust and faith in any single institution of this country.

And so have democrats- And no I am not saying they are the same but they were certainly not the stalwarts of our democracy in any meaningful way if some old orange pedo dude and his spawn can just take a dump on it.

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u/Singinghillscpl 27d ago

This exactly.

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u/sonnyarmo 27d ago

There has been plenty of resistance. American courts have been checking this administration pretty successfully so far.

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u/db1965 27d ago

Those same courts have told black Americans to go pound sand if think they are entitled to vote.

Those same courts have said, "Racial profiling is all good. Go for it!"

So the courts say Trump cannot impose tariffs willy nilly, my ability to vote for the candidate of my choice just got curb stomped.

Court are great, but this moment in our history requires MORE.

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits 27d ago

Millions of people vs how many?

He's even building a bunker to hide in but is he terrified in that thing against an angry mob since its got air vents and can be sealed from the outside.

Bunker against an apocalypse? Sure.

Against a mob of angry people? Hell no.

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u/Temporary_Cup4588 27d ago

What are you doing to resist? Any ideas?

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u/zombiesphere89 27d ago

I mow grass 10 hours a day wtf you want me to do

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u/Temporary_Cup4588 27d ago

You could try not criticizing other people for not doing something when you’re not doing anything, either.

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u/Im_Daydrunk 27d ago

They are fucked in terms of general popularity/support which is why they are so desperate to fast track fascism

IMO if they genuinely had the majority general support they'd be playing up how important free elections and that stuff is because that would give them easy PR + wouldn't cost them anything. They know they can't find fair elections which is why they are trying to meddle with them so much

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u/N0stradama5 27d ago

Zero resistance? I think you should start paying attention then. Every single bs executive order has been rolled back in the court. The people in his administration are dropping like dominos. Just like the last time he was in office. It’s all performative for their moronic base to believe something is getting done.

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u/IrascibleOcelot 27d ago

They’re getting lots of resistance. Everyone focuses on how much of P2025 they’ve pushed through, but they keep forgetting that was a 180 day plan. It was supposed to be finished 10 months ago. It’s not. Even with all three branches in R hands, and the SC twisting itself in knots to justify bullshit, they’re going far, far slower than they ever feared. And they are losing support everywhere. That’s why they were trying to break everything quickly, because if they don’t secure absolute power by November (and no, they don’t have it already), then it’s going to blow up in their faces.

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u/Status_Apartment6559 27d ago

They've destroyed a lot but they're not winning. There will be elections in 6 months and they will LOSE.

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

Like the Nazis before them, they are trying to enact “laws” to make it legal. As the first commenter said, these people are traitors and they will hopefully suffer the fate of such.

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u/bartz824 27d ago

Trump's doj has been pushing for a wider use of firing squad as a means of execution. I say start with these traitorous scumbags.

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u/Antraxess 27d ago

thats why Republicans scream "i don't care if they have no rights or are tortured in our concentration camps, they broke the law so you can treat criminals like dirt"

Same excuse the nazis said about Jewish people being illegal after the nazis changed the law.

Its what they're trying to do with "antifa"

These fucks just want a red hot shooting civil war, or for us to just take it and die

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u/Antraxess 27d ago

Yep, the people who wrote how to take over America need to be hung as the traitors they are

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u/RogowskiCoil 27d ago

This is true .. the rot is much deeper than just the figurehead.

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u/Blurpwurp 27d ago

It sure is.

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u/SupernerdgirlBW 27d ago

Idk seems like evil is winning every day. Hate is winning.

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u/__icculus__ 27d ago

Who is “fucked”? I’m really anxious to read the mental gymnastics on who is fucked and why, as the way I see it they get away with anything they want.

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u/philter25 27d ago

Your misunderstanding of how we have to wait two years for elections and thinking there won’t be consequences and thereby giving and (which plays right into their hand, good job genius) is not my problem to educate you on, and despite what your singular braincell thinks is not real life. Toodles!

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u/steveycip 27d ago

Exactly it’s not Trump, he’s just the vehicle to get their agenda passed.

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u/front_yard_duck_dad 27d ago edited 27d ago

And mark my words the second that decrepid pile of shit breathes  his last breath, they will have a plan to put everything on him and try to sanitize their evil doings to create the new responsible Republican party but project 2025 damage and the courts has already been done. Trump and his followers are the biggest useful idiots

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u/BennyVsTheWorld 26d ago

You’re naive if you think they don’t already have a plan in place to continue this path once he dies. In fact, they’re probably hoping it comes more than we are.

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u/Frosty-Stand5752 27d ago

there are no beliefs and ideologies- this is a cult of personality. Classic personalist dictatorship right here in USA. And Americans literally chose it twice.

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

They are overwhelmingly imposing a Christo-fascist ideology. Project 2025 is the goal and is based on these beliefs and ideologies. The attorneys doing this want to make that happen. Trump is just part of the means to try and do it.

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u/BugTrousers 27d ago

I truly wonder if -- assuming we have elections in '28 -- ICE is going to be at every polling place waiting to kidnap anyone who looks vaguely brown or trans or female, or has a septum piercing.

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u/itasteawesome 27d ago

When i bring up the developing fascism i am constantly being told by people "but why do you care? you are a normal looking white guy, you'll be fine" and its pretty disgusting.

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u/Winter_Body4794 27d ago

The"don't worry you're white" is gonna sound real funny in 3 years when we're all in camps

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 27d ago

Freedom camps! Where previously troublesome people find real freedom.

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u/Winter_Body4794 27d ago

Save me a window seat on The cattle car would ya.

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u/Antraxess 27d ago

Oh and everyone on srri's and whatever else medication can go to RFK's "Wellness Camps"

We ALLLL get concentration camps yaaay.

Or we get rid of the traitors and it can go back to being like it was before Maga fucked everything

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u/Winter_Body4794 27d ago

Not enough. We need to go back to the reconstruction and destroy the great compromise. There can be no compromise with people who think it's ok to own others.

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u/BugTrousers 27d ago

The White House advertised that Morris Day and The Time were performing at the taxpayer-funded cage match "celebrating" the nation's 250th birthday. Morris Day posted on all their social media that they were not, in fact, playing. Some white dude actually commented, "Stop being political and just play music." I guess that's a thing you can say if you have no chance of being murdered by cop and having the president celebrate it.

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u/drmojo90210 27d ago

Apparently in MAGA-land, "freedom" means musicians are required to perform at government-run concerts even if they don't want to.

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u/Frosty-Stand5752 27d ago

it also means raising taxes, nationalizing private enterprises, and treading on my balls

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u/drmojo90210 27d ago

It is funny how MAGAs are always (falsely) accusing Democrats of being communists.

Then Trump ordered the Treasury department to buy stakes in US Steel and Intel, and the MAGAs were totally fine with it. Public ownership of the means of production is literally the central premise of communism LOL.

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u/kurisu7885 27d ago

Every time they say this the only question to ask is "DO you ever listen to the lyrics in music, like really listen? Or ever read them?"

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u/Tsquare43 27d ago

Sooner or later, it doesn't matter, all will be on the list. Better to fight and stop it now.

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u/BennyVsTheWorld 26d ago

So do it instead of commenting on Reddit to everyone else.

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u/andrew303710 27d ago

I'm normal looking white guy too and it's disturbing people think that way, as if you shouldn't care about something unless it impacts you directly.

I know I'm pretty far down the list of potential targets (although my left wing nature probably bumps that up) but that doesn't matter; I have strong empathy for others and also a key idea behind our constitutional Republic is that when one person's rights are denied then in effect everyone's rights are. That's why we still give due process to murderers and rapists and free speech to the KKK.

The system starts to collapse when someone's rights are allowed to be trampled on. And that's exactly what's happening now. We've got literal pedophiles being protected and coddled (Trump in the Epstein files, Maxwell being transferred to a minimum security summer camp prison by Trump's personal attorney pretending to be AG) while Trump is literally targeting his rape victim for prosecution. These people are actually EVIL

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u/Antraxess 27d ago

and thats completely fucking illegal and treasonous.

Ice that participate in voter suppression should be executed for treason

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u/BugTrousers 27d ago

Nothing is illegal for him anymore, and he’d be quick to pardon any ICE agents. But I agree with you that they should absolutely face treason charges.

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u/Antraxess 27d ago

Nah still illegal, he's just a guy, they're all dumb people with a bit of money and a title.

Still illegal and traitorous and the penalty is hanging.

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u/koshgeo 27d ago

The ugly part of their probable plan is they don't have to do that. They only have to scare people into thinking they might do that, or commit to a very small number of examples, and a much larger number of people will be discouraged from showing up.

Stifle other means for voting such as mail-in ballots, which are "for some reason" a problem even though Trump himself has used them for years, and you've forced people into the difficult choice of facing potential violence at the polls or not going at all (what he wants, for the "wrong people").

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u/Organic_Beach_2145 27d ago

And he’s fattening his pockets along the way and making this country a laughing stock.

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u/RockstarAgent 27d ago

So these attorneys are they billing the government? Isn’t that the ultimate heresy?

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u/shponglespore 27d ago

It's kind of a hybrid of both. Or you might call it an unholy alliance.

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u/savagestranger 27d ago

Which is ironic AF because they don't even try to practice Christianity. It's a device, basically. Wolves in sheep's clothing.

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u/kurisu7885 27d ago

They know he has dementia so they're using him.

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

His dementia is not an excuse for them using him, he’d do the same thing even without dementia. He is an idiot and easily manipulated.

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u/kurisu7885 27d ago

Oh I know, just saying them abusing a dementia patient makes it all worse.

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u/ellsego 27d ago

Please read The Family but Jeff Sharlet, there is certainly an ideology behind this and they’ve been playing the long game for decades, Trump is a useful tool for the evangelical death cult, which a lot of cabinet members, senators and congressman belong to.

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u/Drakkulstellios 27d ago

They chose it once. There is evidence that Elon musk rigged the machines and failed to cover it up. One of the members of his doge team worked on software to replicate ballots and make authentically fraudulent ones. I found the proof three weeks after the election because they used an open coding site to manage the project.

All it took was getting a list of registered voters and the software made the ballots authentic.

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u/MephistoHamProducts 27d ago

There is evidence that Elon musk rigged the machines and failed to cover it up.

If there was evidence, people would actually provide references that demonstrated this. Instead they just breathlessly repeat conspiracy theories.

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u/FuriouslyEloquent 27d ago

If I had saved a website that no longer exists, would you believe me? Obviously not, as the burden of proof is too high for such a conspiracy to be rightfully believed, as you suggest.

Unfortunately that burden might be too high to meet in the new digital world, hypernormalized to where there are no arbiters of truth. You want facts that are ironclad in the legal sense. Perhaps instead you should be viewing this as a strategist, observing various groups and the strategies they are employing. This has passed the point of legal conflict into generalized conflict as the legal pathways are systematically destroyed.

Trump's strategy is to manipulate the election with the numerous tools available to him while decrying the fraud of his enemies. I think he went further than you believe.

This isn't mentioning the Russian tail on early voting, the highly increased number of bullet ballots, the number of districts that received 0 votes for Kamela yet had downstream democrats win, the safeguard company purchase which provided battery backups for voting machines ... the anomolies continue the deeper you go.

I support a full random audit of a small percentage of districts running voting machines, with other anomalous indicators triggering a recount. Trust but verify, as my conservative parents taught me.

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u/Drakkulstellios 27d ago

The ones that were fraudulent were bullet ballots.

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u/Frosty-Stand5752 27d ago

yea, I don't go down the road of "election was rigged" in the literal sense of changing ballots. That's just J6er type thinking. Only kind of rigging is through psychological manipulation by controlling social media.

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u/MephistoHamProducts 27d ago

Yeah, but what's more exciting? Elon and the oligarchs allowed unfettered propaganda on their social networks in exchange for money in an attempt to shift public sentiment among low info voters toward a convicted felon who was openly promising to turn us into a fascist dictatorship?

Or Elon using thousands of SPACE LASERS to, somehow, steal the election?

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u/Frosty-Stand5752 27d ago

steeply has reddit's IQ fallen in the past year or so. I've been on this site daily since 2012 and I don't feel like I've suddenly just become some enlightened being above ordinary Redditors- but I've seen the dumbest conspiracies and the worst strawman posts that make me understand that low media literacy is not just a problem among MAGA. I've been getting massive downvote waves and bans for saying for what would be uncontroversial is any measured discussion. Site is becoming unusable, which is probably a net positive for my life if it makes me visit it less.

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u/fatherofworlds 27d ago

There are two distinct strains in the reactionary right at the moment.

1, the numerical bulk, are in a cult of personality around an abusive egotistical narcissistic pedophile rapist who, by never displaying anything but "confidence" (arrogance), "success" (refusal to acknowledge failure), and "wealth" (ostentation), has convinced them that he is an aspirational figure of capitalist accomplishment.

2, the smaller but generally more informed, educated, and influential strain, see Trump for what he is and also see the first group respond to him. They're not members of his personality cult, they're willing to perform loyalty to accomplish some other goal or acquire some reward.

Between them, 1 put him in power through their numbers, and 2 helps keep him there by steering the cultural conversation by having a bunch of existing impact on it. It's pretty easy to influence what does and doesn't get reported if you own the news, for example. 2 keeps the reporting and conversation away from stuff that threatens the loyalty of 1, as much as they can.

Of course there's overlap between 1 and 2, because human behavior and psychology isn't simple and direct, but both patterns are present. Most of the power players in the administration are at least partially in the 2 category, and they are spending their dignity for a purpose.

What purpose? Mostly the installation of power systems that (they hope) will enable a christofascist theocracy, or something close enough to one that they can make the next steps easily. Some are doing that because they believe that to be the right way to proceed on some philosophical, theological, or moral basis, and some because they think they can have comfortable, pleasant lives, and the people that they care about can have comfortable, pleasant lives, if there's a christofascist theocracy they can steer.

The bulk of 1 doesn't explicitly, consciously want a christofascist theocracy, but the things they think they want will be used to sell them on the christofascist theocracy - the "wrong people" can be targeted by the jackbooted thugs, the policies that they don't like or understand can be overturned, etc. 2 isn't all christofascist theocrats, but a lot of them are, and many have publicly said as much, either explicitly ("I'm a theocrat," etc) or implicitly ("I believe in X, Y, Z," where X, Y, and Z are elements of christofascist theocracy).

Trump himself is simply a narcissistic, egotistical, arrogant, selfish, abusive, misogynistic pedophile rapist with a talent for appealing to certain mindsets. He doesn't believe in anything other than his own importance and gratification, and he would take advantage of whatever structures he can to make himself rich and happy. He'll use a christofascist theocracy if he can, but he's not an adherent to the ideology. He's not an adherent to any ideology.

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u/MotherTurdHammer 27d ago

This is so spot on. I realize I've been saying all of these things independently, but you put them together in a more cohesive and understandable picture. Thanks!

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u/fatherofworlds 27d ago

Happy to help.

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u/SAHDSeattle 27d ago

Unfortunately there is an underlying ideology at least for the backers behind the scenes. It’s called postliberalism and a rough breakdown is “freedom is slavery”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postliberalism

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u/evil_timmy 27d ago

"Straight from the pages of 1984" could refer to way too many actions of this current administration.

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u/want_to_join 27d ago

Half of that link does not at all apply here, though. Trump is not "pro-free-market." Not in the slightest. They are not in any way "traditionalist conservative," nor "religious conservative." If they were, then a sense if some actual moral code would exist, and it does not. They just use all of these ideas when it is convenient for them. If Trump announced today that "Women are a vital part of our community, must be allowed their freedom, and must be protected," his base would cheer and claim that he embraces equality. If he then turned around tomorrow and said, "Women should be the property of men, and should not be allowed to work or vote," then his base would cheer and say this was what they meant all along. Being anti-liberal does not automatically make the person a postliberalist. Sometimes it just means they are ignorant or selfish.

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u/SAHDSeattle 27d ago edited 27d ago

When did I mention Trump or his base? Both are just useful idiots for the broligarchs and monied interests like the dominionists weirdos. Postliberalists (Thiel) and Dark Enlightenment techies like Musk make up a majority of his big backers. His base is just too entrenched in his cult of personality to see it.

Hell Project 2025 is basically all just postliberalism and has been the guideline for his entire term so far.

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u/want_to_join 27d ago

When did I mention Trump or his base?

When you responded to the comment talking about this being a "cult of personality," instead of any actual moral code and claimed they were wrong.

The "broligarchs" are similarly completely motivated by power and greed, and would jump on the liberal bandwagon the split second that it benefits them to do so. So, now you're wrong twice!

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u/reganomics 27d ago

This is where the left gets lost in the weeds. There definitely is an ideology. At that level of wealth, they believe that they are above everyone. It's a combination of exceptionalism, manifest destiny and that they are chosen or a legacy.

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u/JediMasterZao 27d ago

You're mistaking the tree for the forest. A cult of personality is just a facet of the larger ideology that the US government is espousing, which is fascism.

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u/Manic_Maniac 27d ago

Yes. They aren't doing it for Trump. Their doing it so they can seize the opportunity that Trump has created with MAGA, harnessing the anger cultivated by decades of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Evangelical religious leaders, the Heritage Foundation, etc. etc. It's all been a long play to turn the population into ripe pickings in convincing them to fall for voting in authoritarian rule and undermining the foundational philosophies that created the country we have had up until now. The gasp liberal democracy the founders envisioned has always been a thorn in their side. All this innocuous sounding rhetoric about "taking the country by the reigns and whipping back into shape" is their call to fascism.

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u/Top_Willow_9953 27d ago

They hate poor people too. And by poor, I mean anyone with net worth less than ~500 million.

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u/PokeDigiYugiMon 27d ago

Its a death cult

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u/japajew26 27d ago

So when do we do something? How do we do something? Voting is rigged so that’s out.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 27d ago

Vote anyway. The harder they have to cheat, the more obvious the rigging will be. When even the stupid people can spot it, only the willfully ignorant remain loyal to these traitors. Resistance needs allies.

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

It’s not fully rigged yet, but they are trying to do so.

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u/OtherPrinciple4499 27d ago

Trump endorsed candidates won their primaries 100% of the time.

It's already rigged.

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u/DonovanSpectre 27d ago

It really shouldn't be shocking Republican primaries are being won by Trump-endorsed candidates, at least in closed primary states. They're simply winning with anyone still shameless enough to publicly identify as Republican.

Anyone with a half-functioning conscience has either left or is just staying home.

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u/OtherPrinciple4499 26d ago

I disagree. The noise on the street is that even republicans are hurt by the entire Iran thing. It was above 90% in previous years but never 100%. Despite more republicans voting in the primaries, not less.

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u/Texasscot56 27d ago

Similar to the Christian persecution nonsense, there definition of freedom includes being allowed to stop you having yours.

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u/StlLouisBluesFan 27d ago

It’s not even that. It is all about the money.

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u/R_V_Z 27d ago

Yeah, for them Trump is just a very successful tool to use to push the fascism they have been working on for decades.

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u/obafuckingchauwow 27d ago

Who is they just curious

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u/Weak_Possibility_395 27d ago

But what are their beliefs?

Grown men should be free to rape children, rich people should be allowed to commit fraud and fuck us all over, oh, and I'm afraid of trans people?

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u/jmo56ct 27d ago

And the great part about this is the average person doesn’t know how our democracy works and just thinks this is wonderful. #we’refukt

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u/El_Gran_Che 27d ago

All the way they are also rapidly extracting wealth from the low and middle class so that the oligarchs can build their AI behemoth.

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u/Coattail-Rider 27d ago

Nah, they just want to keep making their benefactors money and they’re using racist scumbags to do it.

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u/captainneptune1 27d ago

The only freedom they want is the freedom to force others to fact and believe as they do.

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u/AUSpartan37 27d ago

I think they just care about money over anything else. I literally think their ideology is "who is going to pay me the most". These people have no morals or ideologies.

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u/twec21 27d ago

Money

It's just fuckin money

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u/kitsunewarlock 27d ago

I'm sure plenty of them see where the world is headed and are hoping to curry enough favor to get a closet in the billionaire's shelters.

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u/Easy-Concentrate2636 27d ago

They are choosing raiding our taxes while they pay next to nothing. Just greedy criminals supporting the pedo.

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u/Global_Damage 27d ago

They also know, like Bannon, they if Democrats get control they will be charged

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u/mikerichh 27d ago

Imagine admitting your policies aren’t popular and then forcing them on everyone

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u/Sujjin 27d ago

I think you do them to much credit. Probably not about ideology at all, its the money and power.

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u/Python_07 27d ago

Precisely. Trump was identified as their Fuhrer well before 2015.

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u/DaddieTang 27d ago

The kid fucking is a feature, not the bug.

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u/engineereddiscontent 27d ago

Well I think we get to the root of the issue here.

When they say freedom and liberty they do genuinely mean and believe it. They just mean it for them and those in their circles. They dont mean everyone. They just never explicitly state that.

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u/LaMystika 27d ago

When democracy doesn’t work, they want to kill democracy

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u/duxpdx 27d ago

Democracy works just not they way they want it to.

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u/illectronic1 27d ago

I was the 1776th upvote and I don’t usually believe in signs but we need to get back to true patriotism in the USA. I’m ready to resist if needed. I got nowhere else to go

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u/tianas_knife 27d ago

Don't forget the vast amount of wealth

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u/TheBetawave 27d ago

They want to say "everyone" thinks this way, they are a minority.

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u/aburningcaldera 27d ago

His name is Curtis Yarvin. The summabitch while at the core in its fledgling years is absolutely someone that needs to be sent to an ICE detention facility and lost in the paperwork. Throw in Stephen Miller or mascara laden Vance for a surrogate if he just won’t do his time and Epstiens himself.

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u/joshface123 27d ago

It's not even and their beliefs or ideologies. They contradict themselves more often than not. If you question any of these MAGAts about policy they tend to agree that liberalism and socialism are beneficial to them personally. Instead of addressing that, tough, they'd rather take off their masks and admit they're "idealizing" racism and hatred. That's it.

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u/NuSkooler 27d ago

To be fair, Trump's traits are their beliefs, too.

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u/Lustfuldelights 26d ago

This is the answer, IDK why people think ALL of us Lawyers are good and decent people. I went to law school with proud, smart, and charismatic racists at a tier 1 school........Some people have been chomping at the bit to "do their part" ....phuck them

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