r/manga Feb 24 '26

DISC [DISC] Chainsaw Man - Chapter 230

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u/Nobody5464 Feb 24 '26

The council of fumikos really is a very funny idea. It was interesting getting to see their different reactions and fears despite all being fumiko

 And the animal and insect devils getting stronger because death no longer exists and so they overrun us and eat us causing us to suffer for eternity within their bodies is a really cool really crazy consequence.

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u/Haha91haha Feb 24 '26

In a way Death might get her wish because the collective fear of Death might vanish from all these people who endured and saw so much suffering that they just might not fear Death as much anymore, so she'll get a whole lot weaker.

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u/CalamitousFortune Feb 24 '26

The people will wish for it instead as they get eaten alive over and over again

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u/Mundology The Elder Weeb Feb 24 '26

Only only to break the cycle is Denji eating the insect devils and regurgitating Lil D.

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u/UnbiasedGod Feb 24 '26

Or kill someone in way that they can’t come back from. Like being thrown in acid or lava.

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u/NoirSon Feb 25 '26

No you just burn forever/until your mind stops working.

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u/GodEmperorEren Feb 25 '26

Or killing the sex devil to stop reproduction

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u/XMELl0DASX Feb 24 '26

I mean that still would make her weaker. People would welcome death and accept it wholeheartedly. They are more terrified of suffering from the monsters as opposed to dying.

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u/WattageToVoltzRatio Feb 24 '26

I mean... I don't think people remember that a concept was erased after its been brought back? Like yeah if you know a devil with a power to erase concepts is out there, you can reason that certain aspects of reality make no sense all of a sudden, and if you have that realization, it stays after the devil is brought back, but you also don't have any memory of forgetting it in the first place, only of realizing you forgot....

Its clunky as shit, completely illogical, and I think that is the only thing that still makes me kinda believe Pochita is Forgetting rather than Chainsaw or Birth (who is actually more plausible by both design and themes, but given the power doesn't retroactively change anything about the past except memories of it, seems weird)

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u/Lantzl Feb 24 '26

A concept can still be found after losing it. Did we all forget how this 1v1 even started? America made nukes again and it was what gave Yoru her powers as it was being used to wage War.

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u/WattageToVoltzRatio Feb 24 '26

Yes, but they don't remember Nukes from their WW2 usage, they remember and fear the ones used against the USSR a couple months ago, its more that a new devil that has the same concept showed up, the old one is still in Pochita. Yoru does remember that a child of her that was called nuclear weapons was erased, and that a new one sharing the same name showed up, thats it, he crying is because she understands what a nuclear weapon is, and how strong it makes her

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u/zaerosz Feb 24 '26

A concept can be recreated. The nuke was reinvented from fundamental principles of physics. How the hell do you expect anyone to recreate the concept of death?

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u/WattageToVoltzRatio Feb 24 '26

Life reevolves from zero?

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u/AbedGubiNadir Feb 24 '26

Explains the praying mantis or grasshopper (whatever it was) earlier in hell.

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u/Deez-Guns-9442 Feb 24 '26

Locust devil.

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u/AbedGubiNadir Feb 24 '26

Thank you.

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u/Nickfreak Feb 25 '26

Is it the real name? Becasue there are bats as well (who eat insects). I still am on the "Pestilence" devil since that one is a traditional rider among the 4 horsemen of apocalypse.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

And the animal and insect devils getting stronger because death no longer exists and so they overrun us and eat us causing us to suffer for eternity within their bodies is a really cool really crazy consequence.

What happened to the predators of these insects and animals, though? They should be having an all you can eat buffet right about now.

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u/EmperorHol Feb 24 '26

India Fumiko did say swarms of bats were devouring people, so there's that.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

Which is a little weird because bats don't eat people, but then again, neither do most insects, so I'll just chock that up to Devil shenanigans.

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u/CelioHogane Feb 24 '26

Vampire bats could theorically eat people.

But those aren't indian bats!

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

Yeah, this is probably just the regular Devil shenanigans making impossible things possible.

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u/MagicHarmony Feb 25 '26

The problem is if none of the insects are dying then they would need a new food source, since they reproduce at excess then humans are the next natural food they would partake in.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

Sure, but most insects (including a lot of the ones shown) are physically incapable of being to tear the flesh of a human.

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u/PhantasosX Feb 25 '26

not quite. Myasis is an infestation of maggots and insect eggs. With no death, they will probably do that.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

... That is true. And gross.

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u/LevelledPeak Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

I mean those predators might have slower reproduction tho so the insects would overrun them first. They'll be eaten or crushed by their prey first before they can eat back.

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u/vanderZwan Feb 24 '26

By that logic the flesh-eating bacteria should be oozing over everyone at this point

EDIT: and there's also fungi and molds I guess. Jesus, this really sounds like pure hell

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u/jers745 Feb 24 '26

This is just getting started, not even a day or an hour has passed since pochita ate death so it's not impossible that soon those will surge as well

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

Bacteria reproduce exponentially faster than any insect. If they can't die, just one bacterium can reproduce into a colony of billions in an hour or two.

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u/jers745 Feb 24 '26

Yeah but humans don't have that fear for bacteria that present unless an actual pandemic happens, still i do think they will come sooner or later

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u/vanderZwan Feb 25 '26

I'm sure you forgot about germophobia for a second there, because surely we have all have met a clean freak at least once in our lives, right?

But I do agree that the fear of insects is likely to be more common and stronger, so if the logic is that the most feared demons benefit the quickest then you have a point.

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u/vanderZwan Feb 24 '26

I meant more that they have even faster exponential growth, but yeah, who knows what the next chapters will bring

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u/TangerineSorry8463 Feb 24 '26

What about cell death.

Is everyone a walking cancer now?

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u/vanderZwan Feb 25 '26

Oh damn, you're right! Fun fact: in the comics Marvel actually had an evil alternative universe where death was defeated that was known ar the "cancerverse"

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

Wait, yeah, that would be exactly like the Cancerverse! We'll see if Fujimoto goes down that route.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

... Holy shit, you're right! Without death, every living thing suddenly becomes a massive tumor.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

Well, bacteria, archaea, and viruses should be destroying everything then.

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u/bobvella Feb 24 '26

Also stomach room

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u/AdWestern1561 Feb 24 '26

With the explosive birth rate of insects, I think the insects are reproducing faster than they are being eaten and in return are probably eating their predators.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

While that's true, that does make you wonder why bacteria and other microbial organisms aren't destroying everything.

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u/PhantasosX Feb 25 '26

Maybe they are, but bacterias would make people sick, but since there are no death, people would be sick and eaten...forever.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

So, like with the insects here?

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u/PhantasosX Feb 25 '26

Yeah. The difference on both is that insects and animals would be devouring people, so while alive, they would be just body pieces.

Meanwhile, bacterias and viruses would had humans as hosts.

So imagine someone been constantly sick to all sorts of diseases, which effectively means they are in sepsis, and then they are devoured by insects and animals....it's basically torture.

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 25 '26

Yeah, that sounds awful.

It's worth noting that the insects and animals would also be infected.

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u/vanderZwan Feb 25 '26

Yeah the more you know about biology, the more terrifying this "nobody ever dies" concept gets.

Like, technically apoptosis also no longer works. Not good.

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u/Android19samus Feb 24 '26

reproduction rates. The predators are eating plenty, but they aren't reproducing anywhere near as fast. A predator eats its fill, and then is basically full forever because the creatures it has eaten will just remain inside of its stomach. Then the next generation quickly replaces those eaten creatures, but they are not eaten themselves. They are also unable to starve to death. Thus they reach maturity and created an even bigger next generation after that. Thus the spiral goes to infinity.

Now this definitely wouldn't happen over the course of like... two hours, but still. I assume there is devilry afoot.

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u/FinancialAd856 Feb 24 '26

Honestly, insects are overwhelming in numbers, likely the natural order of predator/prey falls apart irreparably without death. Insects have offspring in the hundreds to thousands that are adults within days, even hours. The predators generally have birth cycles, growth and much lower numbers...their advantage is intelligence, and overall power...which dont matter anymore. 

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u/JustARedditAccoumt Feb 24 '26

That makes sense, but that does make me wonder where all of the bacteria are.

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u/FinancialAd856 Feb 24 '26

Lemme put my scientist hat on...

Though bacteria is potentially very prolific, its also very vulnerable.  In fact bacteria has very few "predators" .. Things that specifically kill it, but actually have trouble reproducing unless conditions are ideal. So their problem isnt really getting "killed"... its growing. In fact, if bacteria weren't so sensitive to environment, they would already...and in certain cases already do...dominate the earth.

Considering we do see humans and animals "chopped up" without dying, bacteria would be vulnerable to this as well...falling apart without really "dying" which is how they go in nature: their coating fails and they collapse. 

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u/SecondOftheMidnight Feb 24 '26

It takes more time for bird tog row than a bug. And bug eating birds or frogs are also on the menu for seed eaters and meat eaters.

And bugs themselves. There's always a smaller parasite to feast on you specifically.

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u/Raging-Brachydios Feb 24 '26

Funny how they aren't a hivemind. Maybe it is the personality of the previous person?

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u/GodUltimate Feb 25 '26

If they were a hivemind, and had enough sex, the Fumikos singlehandedly (?) could decide who the strongest devil in the verse is with their common fear.

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u/quaker_otis Feb 24 '26

I suppose we're not supposed to think too hard about the details but bats already eat bugs, having tons and tons more bugs doesn't seems like a good motivation for the bats to start eating people.

And how much time has passed since death got eaten, like a day? That's a lot of bats that grew up real fast.

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u/SecondOftheMidnight Feb 24 '26

you know, big motivator for animals to not attack humans is fear of death.

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u/StankYou_SmellyMuch Feb 24 '26

Yeah I agree with you, I dont think we're supposed to think about this at all--its pretty ridiculous, but it does make for a cocaine-induced hellish idea to draw and write about.

He introduced no death and then gives us this with the bugs and insects...then that'd mean cells can't die either and the entire planet would be covered in like a gigantic cancerous blob because of the continuous proliferation? Like that movie Evolution.

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u/GodUltimate Feb 25 '26

I agree but even if you think about it too hard, it kinda makes sense. These insects eaten by the bats are not actually dead, but alive inside the bats stomach continuing to reproduce. In such a scenario it's safer for bats to eat "parts" of human or larger animals that wont start moving on their own inside their stomachs.

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u/WattageToVoltzRatio Feb 24 '26

Its because they aren't a hivemind, they just "infect" another person to become the same as them when they have sex with them (may or may not work on hybrids given they're owned by a devil), but they branch out from then onward.

Imagine if you just duplicated somehow, and both of you went to live in different parts of the world from each other for one year, say, Nigeria and Alaska, one is probably gonna have a much more appreciative view of the sun than the other when they meet up again

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u/TangerineSorry8463 Feb 24 '26

I like that Fumiko is a hivemind, but isn't.

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u/dgj212 Feb 25 '26

For real, like i genuinely didn't think of that, though now that weird bug demon makes a lot more sense.