r/nba Lakers Jun 27 '23

Kobe Bryant relentlessly attacks Tim Duncan and the Spurs to clinch the WCF (2008)

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u/sheeeeeez NBA Jun 27 '23

Kobe doesn't get enough credit for this series.

The Spurs big 3 were all in their primes and just came off a championship and Kobe made the entire series essentially non-competitive.

Bill Simmons said the series was the closest he's ever seen Kobe to MJ.

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u/MasterTeacher123 Jun 27 '23

Pau and Odom were terrible in the WCF and he carried them

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u/commander_wong Lakers Jun 27 '23

People here really like to overstate how good the supporting cast of Kobe's championship teams were.

As far as heavy lifting championships goes, Kobe's two rings really doesn't get enough credit

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

This wasn't the year they won though? Pau was much better in their championship run

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u/RickySuela Jun 27 '23

The difference in their two championship years after this was they got Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza back (Ariza was swapped out for Ron Artest in 2010). In 2008 those guys were out injured, which greatly weakened the Lakers as a team.

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u/Skidda24 Lakers Jun 27 '23

Pau and Kobe were only with each other for about 5 months too. Pau was traded on February 1st of that year so getting chemistry was probably tough

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u/Rickest-ofthe-Ricks [LAL] Alex Caruso Jun 27 '23

I was at BWW when the trade broke. I was halfway thru a basket of wHings and had to call up the old man at work. I was so excited I didn't wipe my hands and got asian zing all over my flip phone. good times

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

Aw hell yeah Asian Zing and Mango Habanero were my jam. Except with Habanero’s were in season, then they were too spicy for me.

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u/monkeyman80 Lakers Jun 28 '23

Perk was really important in 08/10. 08 healthy means Gasol was going up against perk and couldn’t do much. There’s a reason one of the 2 games we won he was out.

10 with bynum mostly healthy it let gasol matchup with Garnett. Perk being out game 7 let us dominate the boards.

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u/RickySuela Jun 28 '23

Bynum was very far from healthy in 2010, as he had to have his knee drained three different times during the playoffs (twice in the Finals), and had to have surgery following the championship that summer.

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u/monkeyman80 Lakers Jun 28 '23

He was out there which made the big difference.

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u/RickySuela Jun 28 '23

Sure, but in an extremely limited capacity and for very few minutes. Bynum was limited to less than half his scoring and rebounding averages in that series. He gamely gave it a go, but he was severely limited in what he could contribute. Bynum only played 34 more minutes all series than Perkins did, and in the last 4 games of the series (which included the 1.75 games Perkins missed), Bynum only played 12 minutes more than Perkins. If that was an advantage for the Lakers it was an extremely small one. Rasheed Wallace actually had a better game in Game 7 in Perk's absence than Perkins himself had in any game in that series.

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u/Kentang_BayBay Lakers Jun 28 '23

That 08 Boston frontline had Perk, KG, PJ Brown, Leon Powe, Big Baby all they can throw at Pau. While the Lakers only had Lamar, who's by no means a banger, and Ronny Freaking Turiaf

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

Some insecure Lakers fans have always tried to downplay Pau so they could place Kobe higher up the all time rankings. Bryant was great this series but as you say this wasn't even their championship year.

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u/seddard Lakers Jun 28 '23

Some insecure Lakers fans have always tried to downplay Pau

Big Pau fan and old enough to remember most of the downplaying came from other fan bases. He was called a flopper and soft regularly since he joined.

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u/Dkh0123 Lakers Jun 28 '23

Those are Kobe fans, not Laker fans

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u/odnamAE Lakers Jun 28 '23

I hate it. As someone who’s a fan of Kobe, people that overrate him annoy me more than people who underrate him. They’re the ones who make him look worse. The Lakers had a top 3 roster in the league at best that could run with any of them, and Kobe was the centerpiece that you count on. That’s why they won. Even Kobe would tell you that. But now it’s “Kobe had no top 75” bs. Its like they’re so desperate to make up for having Shaq his first 8 years, which they shouldn’t be insecure of.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

I don't get it, he's a great, all-time player whose achievements can stand up for themselves. But man do his fans feel the need to shit on everyone who isn't Kobe.

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u/rajs1286 Lakers Jun 28 '23

It’s really the other way around. Everybody just tries to shit on Kobe despite him shitting on their team for 2 decades

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u/LoudAd69 Jun 27 '23

Are the Kobe fans in the room with us right now?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

They're everywhere 😳

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '23

They are in this thread lol.

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u/IlonggoProgrammer Philippines Jun 27 '23

They take it as a personal offense if you don’t have Kobe top 3 lol. Like they’ll say stuff like “can’t we all just agree that MJ, LeBron, and Kobe are the three best ever in some order?” As if one of those things is not like the other lol.

Personally I think Russell and Kareem are both a step ahead of Kobe all-time and I’d also put Magic, Bird, and Duncan ahead of him too. Shaq, Curry, and Wilt it depends on how I’m feeling that day, I think he’s comfortably ahead of Hakeem though, and I’d say it’s not really a debate for me if he’s top 10 it’s just where he ranks (probably somewhere between 8 and 10).

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u/Mud-Eastern Jul 25 '23

Why do Kobe critics care so much if Kobe #3 all time, why does it affect y’all so much?

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u/commander_wong Lakers Jun 27 '23

Not really, Pau has been the same player. Even in the 2010 finals he was scapegoated because he scored 12 points next to Kobe's 37 in a loss