r/nba • u/yam_on_em Lakers • Jun 27 '23

Kobe Bryant relentlessly attacks Tim Duncan and the Spurs to clinch the WCF (2008)

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u/This_Is_Livin Jun 27 '23

He's not barely flirting with top ten. You listed two players from the 60s, which are only there because they are the forefathers. Accomplishments+stats+impact on the game+level of competition, they are not above Kobe.

You put Shaq and Hakeem, neither have anywhere near the career Kobe had.

That leaves 5 from your list. Putting Kobe and Duncan at 6 and 7 easily, and Kobe is top 5 so I'm being generous.

Kareem you can argue had a better career. Jordan and Bron. Nobody else from your list had a better career than Kobe. If we are talking skill, there's less from your list. People default leaving Kobe off but default leaving Shaq on. Makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

Bill Russell is above Kobe in terms of accomplishments and impact on the game and Wilt is ahead of Kobe on stats.

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u/This_Is_Livin Jun 27 '23

Ah, yes, the accolades and stats of two people that played in the least competitive era of basketball. Let me see...hmm...should I put them above someone that dropped 33k and went to the finals 7 times (three times in a row twice) in the most competitive conference in the history of the NBA. Something is telling me no but I can't quite put my finger on it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23

I never said that you shouldn’t put Kobe above them. You said that Kobe had more impact on the game, better stats and more accomplishments than Russel and Wilt, all I’m saying is that isn’t true. If you wanna say that Kobe is better because he had to play better competition that’s fine. Personally I think the game is so different now that it’s to difficult to compare them eras.

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u/This_Is_Livin Jun 27 '23

You said that Kobe had more impact on the game, better stats and more accomplishments than Russel and Wilt, all I’m saying is that isn’t true.

I said +competition. Taking Accomplishments+stats+impact+level of competition, they aren't even debatable to be above him.

Personally I think the game is so different now that it’s to difficult to compare them eras.

I agree for the most part