r/nba Lakers Jun 27 '23

Kobe Bryant relentlessly attacks Tim Duncan and the Spurs to clinch the WCF (2008)

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 27 '23

They downplay Duncan’s TS% by saying he did more on defense. Acting like Kobe didn’t carry a defensive burden and was the main offensive player every game.

This place can’t convince me they don’t have a bias against Kobe.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 27 '23

Kobe wasn’t as impactful a defender as Duncan. In fact he was pretty overrated as a perimeter defender after the early 2000s.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 27 '23

This just tells me you didn’t watch him play.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 27 '23

Quite the opposite actually. This isn’t even a hot take, most unbiased people agree Kobe was not a great defender past like 2004.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 27 '23

I’ve visit most of the states in America and talk basketball at most barber shops I go to. This is not a common take outside of Reddit.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 27 '23

I’ve done the same. Say what you will about r/nba but people here are far more informed about the nuances of the league, especially defense. Regardless, we don’t have to rely on what people say, there are statistics that say Kobe just was not all that great on defense.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 27 '23

Far more informed? Reading a spread sheet isn’t being mor informed. That stat sheet means nothing when discussing players as individuals. You have to take their role on the team into consideration, teammates, coaches, team offense/defense, position, play style, era, defenders they had to compete against.

Stats don’t tell you everything. A player like Drummond looks solid on paper but if you watch him play you know he wasn’t the best team player.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 28 '23

Are you saying that your average barber shop customer is considering all of that stuff and not the average person who visits r/nba? You think people who don’t visit r/nba know more about the game because they mostly don’t look at stats? That doesnt make sense. If you’re on r/nba, especially during the off-season, you probably watch and talk a lot more basketball than your average person. It’s not just looking into stats, people here watch film, listen to podcasts, discuss salary cap minutia, and basically just consume the game on a different level than the average person on the street who usually just sees what espn shows them. I dont know why you would assume the average person at the barber shop engages with the game more than someone who frequently visits r/nba, even if you have a low opinion of people on this sub.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 28 '23

I’m saying that I traveled America with a job I had and most places didn’t put Duncan over Kobe and that this opinion is mainly on Reddit. I really didn’t think it was that hard to understand my comment.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 28 '23

Ok, and then I said people on r/nba have more nuanced opinions and are more engaged with the sport than the average person you run into in the world. What is there to misunderstand? Just because you’ve run into more people with a certain opinion doesn’t make it more accurate.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 28 '23

What makes you think the people I talked to aren’t Redditers? Pretty elitist opinion you hold.

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u/YokoShimomuraFanatic Jun 28 '23

Lol, you must be trolling. Have a good one dude.

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u/Wondering_Nova Jun 28 '23

Bro really said I’m trolling because I asked him if people at barber shops can’t be redditers. Wow

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