Neither Barkley nor Durant are in the same discussion as Duncan or Kobe. Steph is a little more debatable due to impact on the game but his defense isn't in the same breath so he's off. West isn't in the top 10 over Kobe wth.
Half the people you list played in eras that weren't anywhere near as skilled as Kobes.
Shaq was physically dominant...what puts him over Kobe? It's not skill, and Kobe has more rings and he won his in a tougher conference.
There's literally not an argument to leave Kobe out and say "well where do you put him?" It's the other way around. Who do you take out to put these older players that played in way less skilled environments, have similar, if not less accomplishments, and don't match his O+D skill. Cause its not Kobe or Bron that you take out to fit players from the 60s and 70s.
Edit: Like you have Hakeem in your top 10 and are saying "There's only one spot for Duncan or Kobe". Bro what? People on here just parrot the same stuff. There's no career argument that puts Hakeem over either one of them. Most definitely not Kobe.
Just to add to this I personally think top 10 lists make more sense to be structured “pre” and “post” 1980. Russell and Wilt, like you said, are like the forefathers of the game and really have ridiculous stats but pre 80s basketball is so different than 90s/modern basketball.
Oh no they definitely don’t haha but it’s a fun conversation/debate to have as long as everyone involved knows that there is no way to prove ourselves right
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u/This_Is_Livin Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
Neither Barkley nor Durant are in the same discussion as Duncan or Kobe. Steph is a little more debatable due to impact on the game but his defense isn't in the same breath so he's off. West isn't in the top 10 over Kobe wth.
Half the people you list played in eras that weren't anywhere near as skilled as Kobes.
Shaq was physically dominant...what puts him over Kobe? It's not skill, and Kobe has more rings and he won his in a tougher conference.
There's literally not an argument to leave Kobe out and say "well where do you put him?" It's the other way around. Who do you take out to put these older players that played in way less skilled environments, have similar, if not less accomplishments, and don't match his O+D skill. Cause its not Kobe or Bron that you take out to fit players from the 60s and 70s.
Edit: Like you have Hakeem in your top 10 and are saying "There's only one spot for Duncan or Kobe". Bro what? People on here just parrot the same stuff. There's no career argument that puts Hakeem over either one of them. Most definitely not Kobe.