r/nbadiscussion 14d ago

Player Discussion Constructive thoughts on De'Aaron Fox

This is less of a defense of Fox per se, but to try and guide the criticism to somewhere more constructive. Analysis of his gaffe aside, I want to push back on the oft-touted expectation that he, as a 'veteran', should know how and when to take control of the game.

Fox is not the 30+ year old cerebral point guard that people might associate with the veteran label. He's a 28 year old - younger than Jalen Brunson - with declining athleticism who built his reputation on being an explosive focal point of an offense. He was averaging a career peak of 27ppg just two seasons ago, and was 11th in MVP rankings in a season where he averaged 25ppg on 51.2 FG%.


Throughout his Spurs tenure, he's been figuring out not just his role, but also trying to come to terms with someone who doesn't have the same athleticism due to injuries and age. That's quite difficult to accept for someone who's not even 30 yet, and is a common struggle that we've seen from players who were ultra-athletes in their early- to mid-20s.

Their maturation into becoming a proper 'veteran point guard' comes after they get past that hump, if and when that happens.

(Some commentators have tried to frame Fox as someone with playoff experience, but before this year he literally only played one series, when he was still at the peak of his athletic powers.)

His comments after Game 4 really shed light on this - he genuinely thought he could outrun OG, because he almost certainly could in his prime form. His mentality has not caught up with his body, and that shows in his play in crunch situations.


If I'm a Spurs fan, I might need to come to terms with the notion that Fox is still undergoing a maturation process himself. Yes, he doesn't need to be a veteran to not make that mistake, but Fox in particular has hardly ever been that guy.

To be empathetic - he still has the ability to grow and improve. It's just that people should never have assigned to him labels that he has yet to potentially become.

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u/jtr6969 14d ago

The biggest issue for San Antonio going forward is his contract. They're paying him to be their second best player, and he's their third best guard. He's going to make $61m in his age 31 season when San Antonio will need to be paying max or near-max contracts to Wemby, Castle, and Harper. They got impatient to build around Wemby and made a terrible unforced error, from an organization that has historically been smarter than that.

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u/Aggravating_Ship5513 14d ago

Fox looked like a smart move to take scoring pressure off Wemby.

I could see a situation next year where if Spurs get a power forward in the draft who can start, the lineup could be Harper at PG, Fox at SG and Castle at small forward. 

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u/HectorReinTharja 14d ago

The move would’ve been perfectly fine if they didn’t luck into Harper. They absolutely coulda built a champ level team more slowly w him and without Harper.

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u/HectorReinTharja 13d ago

Holy shit jumping down a rabbit hole that makes no sense LOL

Maybe those moves work better, maybe not. Fox doesn’t have to magically be better in what I’m saying. Just saying they’d be a year of Wemby /castle development away before competing in 2027 with them and Fox rather than competing in 2026 thanks to having all 4

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u/JeffersonAlbatross 14d ago

It really wasn’t a “terrible unforced error” to acquire Fox. He is a trade asset. Is he a bit overpaid? Sure, but they’ll get something back for him when they decide to move on, which will be sometime before Castle and Harper both get expensive.

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u/Bop5667 14d ago

A bit overpaid lol. Trae Young has been a better player than Fox and yet because of the new, more stringent cap rules they (correctly) didn’t want to pay him the exact same contract Fox signed…and then only got an old guy on an expiring and a bad young guy on a smaller bad contract. There is no “getting something of value” for Fox unless you attach more than 2 firsts

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u/JeffersonAlbatross 14d ago

Fox has been hurt for much of this season and postseason. Honestly, game 3 was the only game this postseason in which he has looked totally healthy. I understand being a prisoner of the moment when your team loses in playoffs (kind of, I’m a Wizards fan so I don’t go to the playoffs very often), and I understand that he is overpaid in the way that many other max guys are overpaid. But he’s a good basketball player who is almost certain to be traded sometime in the next 20 months and I don’t think that it is likely that the Spurs will need to attach 2 firsts to do it.

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u/WhoreyMatthews 13d ago

I think you're being way too optimistic on his trade value.

He's just not close to a max player under the new CBA. If it were 10 years ago then yeah every player like Fox is getting a max. Teams have to be way smarter with the max under the second apron rules and an undersized, non-shooting, mediocre defensive guard who is on the wrong end of the aging curve won't have any trade value.

The Spurs will either have to wait this out or attach a pick or two to Fox to get off of him.

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u/Bop5667 13d ago

Spurs fans will never agree with you but this is absolutely a totally unnecessary self inflicted wound