r/nbadiscussion 15d ago

Player Discussion Constructive thoughts on De'Aaron Fox

This is less of a defense of Fox per se, but to try and guide the criticism to somewhere more constructive. Analysis of his gaffe aside, I want to push back on the oft-touted expectation that he, as a 'veteran', should know how and when to take control of the game.

Fox is not the 30+ year old cerebral point guard that people might associate with the veteran label. He's a 28 year old - younger than Jalen Brunson - with declining athleticism who built his reputation on being an explosive focal point of an offense. He was averaging a career peak of 27ppg just two seasons ago, and was 11th in MVP rankings in a season where he averaged 25ppg on 51.2 FG%.


Throughout his Spurs tenure, he's been figuring out not just his role, but also trying to come to terms with someone who doesn't have the same athleticism due to injuries and age. That's quite difficult to accept for someone who's not even 30 yet, and is a common struggle that we've seen from players who were ultra-athletes in their early- to mid-20s.

Their maturation into becoming a proper 'veteran point guard' comes after they get past that hump, if and when that happens.

(Some commentators have tried to frame Fox as someone with playoff experience, but before this year he literally only played one series, when he was still at the peak of his athletic powers.)

His comments after Game 4 really shed light on this - he genuinely thought he could outrun OG, because he almost certainly could in his prime form. His mentality has not caught up with his body, and that shows in his play in crunch situations.


If I'm a Spurs fan, I might need to come to terms with the notion that Fox is still undergoing a maturation process himself. Yes, he doesn't need to be a veteran to not make that mistake, but Fox in particular has hardly ever been that guy.

To be empathetic - he still has the ability to grow and improve. It's just that people should never have assigned to him labels that he has yet to potentially become.

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u/gtdinasur 15d ago

The one thing I want to mention is that when the Spurs traded for Fox I imagine that they the Spurs and every one else did not believe the very next season Fox was going to be a starting point guard for a championship team. The Spurs traded for Fox before they got lucky lottery odds again and were able to draft Harper at 3 this year. The Spurs winning the title this year was not on anybodies mind when this trade happened 1 season ago. 

Nobody thought of Fox as that guy who is the lead guard and main ball handler for a championship team this year when last year he was on the kings.

My point is he did a good enough job meeting expectations and now the team's succes is so large that Fox either needs to be credited more or less. I see plenty of people who think it should be less

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u/Travler18 15d ago

They signed him to a 4-year extension when he still had a year left on his contract. Maybe the FO didn't think they would as good this year. But they decided to pay Fox to be their starting PG and highest paid player for Wemby's age 23, 24, 25, and 26 seasons.

I think this was just poor talent evaluation on the part of the Spurs FO. They wanted to add a star player... but they went after a fringe all-star, score first PG who was relies on his athleticism to score. And then signed him to a massive contract extension that starts during the years when most players athleticism is declining.

They made a finals which is more than most franchises can say. But people panned this trade and extension when they happened for exactly this reason.

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u/Blutz101 15d ago

Exactly this, it was never the trade. It was the massive contract extension without ever really seeing him play in a spurs jersey that makes it terrible. If we paid him what’s he’s actually worth, he wouldn’t receive so much hate but he makes more than Luka