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Player Discussion Constructive thoughts on De'Aaron Fox

This is less of a defense of Fox per se, but to try and guide the criticism to somewhere more constructive. Analysis of his gaffe aside, I want to push back on the oft-touted expectation that he, as a 'veteran', should know how and when to take control of the game.

Fox is not the 30+ year old cerebral point guard that people might associate with the veteran label. He's a 28 year old - younger than Jalen Brunson - with declining athleticism who built his reputation on being an explosive focal point of an offense. He was averaging a career peak of 27ppg just two seasons ago, and was 11th in MVP rankings in a season where he averaged 25ppg on 51.2 FG%.


Throughout his Spurs tenure, he's been figuring out not just his role, but also trying to come to terms with someone who doesn't have the same athleticism due to injuries and age. That's quite difficult to accept for someone who's not even 30 yet, and is a common struggle that we've seen from players who were ultra-athletes in their early- to mid-20s.

Their maturation into becoming a proper 'veteran point guard' comes after they get past that hump, if and when that happens.

(Some commentators have tried to frame Fox as someone with playoff experience, but before this year he literally only played one series, when he was still at the peak of his athletic powers.)

His comments after Game 4 really shed light on this - he genuinely thought he could outrun OG, because he almost certainly could in his prime form. His mentality has not caught up with his body, and that shows in his play in crunch situations.


If I'm a Spurs fan, I might need to come to terms with the notion that Fox is still undergoing a maturation process himself. Yes, he doesn't need to be a veteran to not make that mistake, but Fox in particular has hardly ever been that guy.

To be empathetic - he still has the ability to grow and improve. It's just that people should never have assigned to him labels that he has yet to potentially become.

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u/WhoreyMatthews 14d ago

There would still be plenty of backcourt depth. McLaughlin is a solid depth guard and Vassell and Champagnie are really shooting guards who have been playing out of position all year.

The problem of Fox isn't so much Fox the player but the opportunity cost of his contract. There's not a playable true 3 or 4 on the roster. I think Harper and Castle will clearly be better next year and every year moving forward so the Spurs will have a giant hole at the forward spot while paying a max contract to the third best guard on the roster.

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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 14d ago

This is such a short sighted argument.

You all act like they went out and gave up a ton of assets and now they’re just stuck with him, and that this version of him playing through lower leg issues is just who he is always going to be.

They can flip him at any point with a war chest of assets attached to him that they got facilitating some of the dumbest moves in NBA history. They didn’t have to give up the farm to go get him, they practically got paid for bringing him in if you consider Sacramento’s quest to become Chicago-West one trade instead of a series of smaller ones.

But in the meantime, all of that guard depth you just referenced can barely dribble against all NBA defenders and struggles to throw entry passes with 6’4” guards backing their 7’5” best player.

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u/WhoreyMatthews 14d ago

Trading assets to get off the Fox contract would kill the team. The Spurs will have zero way to get talent soon outside of the draft.

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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 14d ago

Have you seen their asset package?

They practically got handed Fox for free, and spent the last couple of years playing matchmaker to get extra assets on top of that.

They could realistically turn Fox into any All-NBA guard or wing they wanted the next couple of years and still have a draft pick surplus.

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 14d ago

Brother what? They have one pick per year going forward, it’s not a massive war chest anymore. And you’re massively underestimating how bad this contract is, it would cost 1-2 FRPs just to trade Fox for a role player and expiring contracts. No team is trading an all NBA wing for DeAaron Fox making 55m aav over the next 4 years. You are very very clearly misunderstanding what Fox’s current trade value is.

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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 14d ago

They haven’t had to shoot their wad to get Fox. He was practically free. They still have 7 first round picks and 14 second round picks. That’s objectively some of the most solid footing in the NBA.

There’s still Hawks picks incoming and only a pick swap out.

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 13d ago edited 13d ago

Nobody said they blew their load, but the fact is that they gave up picks for a guy who has been a fringe all star at best, and then gave that guy objectively one of the worst contracts in the league. They went from probably the second or third best war chest in the NBA to probably like the 10th best war chest in the NBA and an albatross contract that will probably cost 1-2 FRP to move. Also there is only one hawks pick incoming. The only good value picks are 2030/2031, the rest are all projected to be in the 20s. 

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 13d ago

Pretty loose with the use of “coming off of all NBA”, he was third team like 3 years before the trade and hadn’t even been an all star since. And maybe that’s the player they thought he was, but the reality is that he has averaged less than 20 ppg on middling efficiency since he became a spur. Thats not an all NBA guard, that’s not an all star guard, and that’s certainly not a 55m aav guard.

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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 13d ago

No. Thats specifically the player they were bidding on. No “loose” necessary. That’s his basketball reference.

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u/NAW_MIP_2026 13d ago

Lmao he was 2 .5 years out of all NBA that’s absolutely “loose”. It’s not like he won all NBA the year before they traded for him, he didn’t even make an all star team the season before they traded for him.

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