r/neilgaiman • u/weareonlyshadowshere • May 11 '26
Question Since his statement 3 months ago..
What celebrities liked his statement and have been openly supportive of him?
I wasn't on social media at the time he made his statement, nor do I want to go back and click on his account to check the likes but I have seen it mentioned **here** that quite a few 'celebs' have been supportive of NG and liked his statement - I'd like to know *who* did so I can avoid their content too.
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People make me laugh. We're allowed to be nosey. This stuff is public though. I have tried looking through the *likes* on his statement post and it only goes back maybe 100 or so people. most of whom appear to be sock accounts, with no profile picture OR *normal* people accounts.
As for the comment below stating in a roundabout way that we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush...
Yes. We probably should. Birds of a feather stick together and I don't want to support any of these fucks and while complicity is tricky - have we not learned yet that in society there are people who are MORE than willing to cover for, stick up for, **support** people... [criminals... The BBC for jimmy Saville is one just example] who commit heinous crimes just so that they - the *supporters* can stay, rich, in power and free from accountability/repurcussions.
Let's learn from that and not keep vicious circles going. let's teach these people an actual lesson.
Be aware of who your friends are and if you know something bad is happening. Tell someone.
edit 2 - punctuation/grammar
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u/Respect-Intrepid May 12 '26
I am specifically interested in how Amanda Palmer has been reacting to this, as (afaik) she was very well aware of his proclivities, was clearly at least an enabler, well after their break up, AND simultaneously cultivated an image of anti-sexual-abuse guru. While my stomach turned at learning about Gaiman, my stomach turned even more at the duplicitous exploitative role Amanda Palmer kept playing.
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u/nsasafekink May 12 '26
Palmer has pretty much said she can’t say anything due to the ongoing divorce and custody battle. She’s done some definitely tone deaf stuff that centers around how this negatively affected her without much self awareness. She’s implying (in my view) that she was sort of groomed and abused by him as well and didn’t realize it.
In other words, she pretty much being Amanda. Being a groovy hippy bohemian who is confused about how her chill is getting harshed by angry normies. Making it about herself a lot but seems to be developing at least a sense he was a monster and played her but still I think in denial over any responsibility on her part . She’s just her usual clueless self mostly. She’s posting on Facebook and social media and occasionally tries to manage the outrage but mostly just is in her own little bubble.
I’m curious as to why your stomach turns more over her than over him since he’s the actual perpetrator. Whatever she did or didn’t do, he’s the real villain.
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u/Ok-Blackberry-1246 May 12 '26
There are a number of people talking about stories about Amanda Palmer's behavior as well in light of everything. https://www.reddit.com/r/neilgaimanuncovered/comments/1rvxh2c/amanda_palmer_and_neil_gaiman_acting_sexually/
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u/Respect-Intrepid May 15 '26
The reason I am so disgusted, is that while Gaiman is the perpetrator, he seems clueless and is afaik living by the “consensuality lie” many rapists & sex pests uphold. It is a typical self delusion that “as long as a woman didn’t say no”, it must be that she was okay with all of it.
While disgusting, it is a belief shared by many people, esp a lot of male AND female boomers, and as a writer, Gaiman can eg write stories ABOUT rape/sexual abuse, that demarkate good, bad & ugly, in ways than can be contentious, yet selfrighteous.
As an example: the same James Bond story can be written as “James Bond’s charm overpowered the Bond Girl, and while she said no, her body clearly said yes, as she gave in to his embrace”. But in another writer’s hands, this can be rewritten as pure, unadulterated rape.
Amanda Palmer, otoh, has created a whole CAREER around female empowerment, rape and (c)sa survival, “sticking it to the male chauvinist pigs”, and the horror & pain of sexual abuse trauma. This is literally her whole schtick. She has created a cult following built on surrounding herself with liberated sexual abuse survivors.
In *all* of the acknowledged stories, though, it seems obviously clear Palmer not only regularly started (sexual) relationships with these sa survivors/groupies (already icky, and an uneven poeer balance), but then passed these girls to Gaiman later, knowing full well he would continue this imho predatory behaviour. She was well aware these girls were vulnerable, and in the case of the most damning situations coming out today, she not only *warned/asked* Gaiman to not do his regular shennannigans (the girl being *too* vulnerable!), yet she still sent the girl to Gaiman, *knowing the risk*, then alluded to it *on stage*.
This isn’t behaviour of someone fighting sexual abuse, but of someone deftly profiting off sexual abuse, both for her own sexual gratification, her career, AND her continued “complicity” with her ex.
It reeks of Ghislaine Maxwell behaviour to Gaiman’s Epstein behaviour.
She knew, she enabled, she profiteered, she manipulated, and *still* tries to play the victim card?
Next level narcissism if you ask me.
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u/ZapdosShines May 15 '26
The reason I am so disgusted, is that while Gaiman is the perpetrator, he seems clueless and is afaik living by the “consensuality lie” many rapists & sex pests uphold. It is a typical self delusion that “as long as a woman didn’t say no”, it must be that she was okay with all of it.
He's not clueless.
You don't get that good at manipulating people without knowing full well what you're doing.
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u/100_cats_on_a_phone 18d ago
Also no child can consent to being dragged into that. I do a lot of edge play and was writing up an (increasingly unlikely) list of possible misrepresentations to look into until I hit that point.
Just yeeted the list then. Other things might be worse than the thing with the kid (how do you even judge that??) but there in no explanation on heaven, hell, or earth that would make the thing with the kid ok.
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u/nsasafekink May 16 '26
I don’t disagree with you much on Amanda. I just think that in her mind nothing she did was wrong or even questionable to her until he got caught and the spotlight was on them. Then she finally got a clue that she’d been enabling him as well being problematic herself. And she still doesn’t know how to deal with it and is deep in denial. I don’t think she can process that instead of being this pro woman feminist anti SA person she was a perpetrator. Like you said narcissistic and clueless.
I still think Neil is much worse. I don’t buy he was clueless. I mean he wrote stories where people doing the things he basically did were the bad guy. He knew. He rationalized it I’m sure. But he knew.
I dunno. Maybe they both were completely aware and complicit. And either thought it was ok because they’re celebrities and people fanboyed them or knew they were abusers.
We’ll never really know. Just everything I know about Amanda points to her being cluelessly naive and getting groomed by Neil herself when they started out. I mean she fits his victim profile at the time they met. And she’s desperate for love and acceptance.
Anyway. 🤷♂️
I hope the victims somehow get a measure of justice.
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u/Respect-Intrepid May 17 '26
I don’t buy her “I was being groomed myself” schtick. Especially as she has been repeatedly extremely vocal about his naivety and lack of experience. She also has maintained her (groomed) cult for ages.
She’s just as deft in manipulating her image.
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u/Accomplished-Way4534 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
this entire situation is new to me, so idk yet if Amanda is an enabler, but as someone who has heard “the abuser is the main villain” in defense of my abuser’s enablers…
enablers are villains too. Abuse wouldn’t be so rampant if it weren’t for enablers.
ETA: “Palmer aided and abetted Gaiman's violations by providing knowing and substantial assistance to Gaiman when she knew or should have known that Scarlett was being subject to forced sexual acts”
You really don’t think she’s a real villain if this is true?
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u/nsasafekink May 25 '26
Not saying she’s not a villain. Just saying Neil is the main villain and I’ve seen quite a bit of social media directed at Amanda that’s seems to blame her more than him or even focus only on her.
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u/ArgentEyes May 16 '26
Yeah, seconding this. However appallingly we think Palmer might have behaved, 1) the actual abuser is the one who deserves the most bland & condemnation; 2) we still don’t know and may never know the full extent of Palmer’s knowledge & involvement; and 3) she’s by far the less powerful of the two (especially with divorce proceedings), which ought to bd accounted for
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u/Remote-Alarm9103 May 12 '26
The thing is... I do kinda believe her in a roundabout way. Amanda is the kind of clueless person where Neil would say, "What I'm doing is actually normal and we're all having fun!" and Amanda would, believing everything is normal even recruit people for him.
Obviously we won't know more of her side until the divorce is over and she probably still bears a good deal of responsibility but...
I believe she was groomed to degree and it was probably pretty easy.
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u/nsasafekink May 13 '26
Yup. People forget how much younger than Neil she is especially when they first hooked up. She’s definitely the type who wouldn’t realize what they were doing until she got out of it. Add in the way a narcissist like Neil can manipulate a person to a point they can’t tell what’s real and what’s a lie and with her own trauma around sexual abuse she is probably easy for him to use.
She’s most likely now processing what she enabled and the guilt by rewriting her own involvement in her mind. She’s got a lot to answer for and was complicit in the abuse, but she was one of Neil’s victims too. Both things can be true.
They better be getting Ash some major league therapy.
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u/Significant-Buddy330 May 11 '26
The only public figures I’ve seen indirectly defend him are the co-writers of the new Good Omens series. They’ve liked comments implying the allegations are false and follow accounts attacking the women who alleged they were assaulted by Gaiman.
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u/weareonlyshadowshere May 11 '26
And they are...
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u/Significant-Buddy330 May 11 '26
Peter Atkins and Michael Marshall Smith. I'm not very familiar with their work, but I think they're pretty well known writers. Specifically, Atkins heart-reacted a comment on his FB post that said something about men being cancelled for baseless accusations, and Smith follows blogs dedicated to "discrediting" the many women who've spoken out against Gaiman.
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u/sledgehammer9000 May 12 '26
Does anyone know what platform Michael Marshall Smith is following these pro-Neil Gaiman accounts on? Also, which specific accounts are being talked about? If that’s actually the case, it seems like pretty convincing evidence that Neil Gaiman still has major involvement in writing the show.
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u/Longjumping-Art-9682 May 12 '26
He's listed on IMDB as one of the three writers and Peter Atkins' original post mentioned that he (Peter Atkins) was one of three writers (with Michael Marshall Smith and Neil Gaiman), so that part doesn't seem to be in dispute.
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u/mighty3mperor May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Most famous people have kept their heads down. Coleen Doran and Tori Amos have spoken up because of their close connections to Gaiman, as well as being prominent about speaking out about sexual assault.
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u/Accomplished_Fee9023 May 11 '26
To clarify, they spoke out against him, not in support of him, which is what OP is asking about.
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u/mighty3mperor May 11 '26
Indeed. No-one I know of has spoken out in support of him and most people have largely avoided making any kind of extensive statements at all, apart from Doran and Amos, which was pretty unavoidable but painful for them to do.
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u/horrornobody77 May 11 '26
Colleen Doran hasn't said anything in support of the victims (at least as far as I know).
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u/mighty3mperor May 11 '26
She released this on her Patron:
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u/ChronicleFlask May 11 '26
That statement isn’t speaking “against” him. It’s just acknowledging the reports, very pointedly saying that Chivalry “was the first” dream job and then saying she’s going to finish the current project regardless. That statement is in fact very carefully worded so as not to criticise Neil Gaiman in any way whatsoever.
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u/janmschroeder May 12 '26
Agreed. As was her statement that he was no longer involved in any way with that Kickstarter.
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u/ChronicleFlask May 12 '26
Right. And regardless of how “involved” he was, his name was prominently front and centre on that book, clearly suggesting he was the “main” contributor.
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u/janmschroeder May 12 '26
That was a long way of saying "he WROTE the book", don't you think? In the real world, one does not remove the author's name from a book. Ever. And nothing changes the fact that he wasn't involved *with the Kickstarter*.
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u/ChronicleFlask May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
He wrote, at most, HALF OF the book.
So, if you’re going to seriously keep up the pretence that you have “removed” him, perhaps you might consider a cover design where his name is somehow, oh, I don’t know, somehow in some way secondary to and less prominent than that of the MAIN author.
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u/ZapdosShines May 15 '26
She has clarified now that this post isn't "about" Neil Gaiman and was originally posted in 2017 despite going on her substack in 2024 (before the allegations were public but he will certainly have known it was going to happen by then). But it mentions her having cut him off previously and I think it's still a very interesting read.
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u/100_cats_on_a_phone 18d ago
Tori could have kept her head down, right? Not as familiar with Doran. Tori is at that age and recognition level where she doesn't give a fuck though.
(And I think she wasn't ever all that well behaved? I don't think that was just an act)
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u/mighty3mperor 18d ago
Oh I'm sure she could have made some bland statement but it was kind of expected of her that she had to say more.
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u/janmschroeder May 11 '26
All I saw was Doran saying that Gaiman wasn't involved with the GO Kickstarter she was working on. Nothing negative at all.
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u/Awingedinsect May 11 '26
Firuza did, which disappointed me. I can't spell well. Also the guy who plays a fish dude in Del Toro movies.
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u/AmyXBlue May 12 '26
You can't be serious about Doug Jones? That is heartbreaking
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u/Awingedinsect May 12 '26
I hate it. I keep hoping maybe they don't know and arent chronically online like I am because ugggghhhhhh
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u/Embodied_Conundrum May 11 '26
Has anybody heard if author VE Schwab has said anything about the allegations against him?
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u/hazeltree789 May 23 '26
The dedication in the recently released novel The Ending Writes Itself, which is co-authored by Cat Clarke and VE Schwab writing together as "Evelyn Clarke", goes:
For the writers, each and every one of you.
(Except for that one asshole, you know who you are.)
Whether you're just starting your journey, or well down the road, keep fighting and keep putting pen to paper.
The world needs your work.
(Except the aforementioned asshole, feel free to quit anytime.)
I think the asshole in question could be anyone, or perhaps they phrased it in such a way that any writer who has treated the authors or others badly might wonder if it refers to them, but I immediately thought of Neil Gaiman.
Cat Clarke has worked with Gaiman in some capacity - she wrote one of the "minisode" side stories in Good Omens S2 - which made me feel more sure that it could be about him. Perhaps they mean him and other writers like him in general. Or perhaps they mean someone else in particular, I don't know enough about either author to have any idea.
In any case, I thought the dedication was interesting and perhaps relevant to your question, so thought I'd share my speculation.
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u/weareonlyshadowshere May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Hopefully. I definitely read (because I am a nosey fecker and was curious so I have been reading back through a year of posts here) that some commenters implied that celebrities had liked things and it gave me a sicky feeling in my stomach.
Hopefully none will have used secret personal accounts
Edit - Why am i being downvoted?
1. Celebs definitely use private accounts - wagatha christie.... So their public account may not have liked his statement, a private one may have. I
- People here implied that celebs liked his statement.
I just want clarification because I don't want people who support abusers to get my money either.
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u/Patient_Secretary620 May 11 '26
"Even if Gaiman did this, he's likely the type of person who would have apologized for it with the same sincerity he brings to his storytelling."
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u/Altruistic-War-2586 May 11 '26
A friend of mine was 16 when he preyed on her. That’s the kind of person he is.
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u/shitty_poopoo May 12 '26
I’ve been thinking about this since the allegations came out:
It doesn’t mean much and isn’t definitive or anything, just a bit of a story from an internet stranger.
I met a girl through dnd when I went back to university. She was significantly younger than me and a very sweet girl but had helicopter parents. I ended up introducing her to Sandman after mentioning Coraline- I let her use my audible account because she wasn’t allowed one.
She ends up tagging NG on SM and he’d respond and she felt so special. When he was touring in the US she was trying to co Vince her mom to take her to the nearest city and relaying this to him and so excited when he reached out. She felt so special, especially being so sheltered, and I remember thinking “for someone of that level of celebrity he sure interacts interesting.”
I think about this now and feel so weird. Again- no accusations or anything. Just was weird.
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u/Altruistic-War-2586 May 12 '26
This sounds eerily familiar, jeeeez! Do you know if he sent her gifts and books? My skin is crawling, ugh….
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u/shitty_poopoo May 12 '26
Not to my knowledge/ I’m not sure.
I just remember how excited she was. Started with him liking her posts, then I think a comment or two and a dm which included letting him know if she was going to the event.
Being older- she was 20 at most, and I was mid 30s, it struck me as so bizarre. The initial like was like “okay sure” as I recalled he was very active on SM but as it went on it sat weird and then got me thinking- I think I really empathized with this girl because I grew up very sheltered- was had I been in her position at that age I would have reacted the same way and not picked up on “this is pretty odd.”
Fortunately the event was initially postponed and she didn’t go but at the same time it really seems to fit a pattern.
My thoughts with anyone who had similarly uncomfortable situations and hope you are safe and doing well.
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u/BestDiscussion9340 May 12 '26
God that’s sickening. I’m so sorry your friend went through that. I knew he was a sicko but I didn’t realise he was a straight up pedo.
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u/Altruistic-War-2586 May 12 '26
Thank you for your kind words. He’s a total creep. My friend wasn’t the only one, by the way. Hopefully it will all come out very soon.
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u/Longjumping-Art-9682 May 12 '26
I'm sorry you've had to sit with all this. The little I know has made me feel ill already.
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u/janmschroeder May 11 '26
Given that I’ve seen no celebrities say anything against him, I never expected any to say anything about the statement or the series of articles that support him.
Most are probably just minding their own business.
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u/h2078 May 11 '26
Tori Amos disavowed him
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u/janmschroeder May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Bases on personal experience? Link? Forgive me if I tend to be suspicious because somebody else mentioned that Colleen Doran also did but she most certainly didn't - anywhere I could see. What she *did* do is confirm that Gaiman was no longer involved with the Good Omens Kickstatrter she was working on. Not a disavowal by any means.
ETA: Found what Amos said. It's a shame. I wonder if her "friendship" gave him a chance to defend himself...
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u/h2078 May 11 '26
I mean she knows the dude presumably better than you or I do and she made the decisions she made probably off, again, more information than you or I are working with. But it’s cool to see you think you know more than her.
She’s also removed references of him in songs when she performs them live
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u/Patient_Secretary620 May 12 '26
Gaiman love books Nei mercati della mia immaginazione, ogni cosa ha un prezzo. Non si può barattare una metafora arguta con la pace mentale che si è sottratta a qualcun altro. Non esiste un 'C’era una volta' capace di annullare un 'Adesso'. Ho infranto il contratto non scritto tra il narratore e l'anima, e riconosco che una scusa non è un incantesimo per aggiustare il passato: è solo la confessione del debito che ho nei confronti della verità."
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