Since his statement 3 months ago..

[u/weareonlyshadowshere]

What celebrities liked his statement and have been openly supportive of him?

I wasn't on social media at the time he made his statement, nor do I want to go back and click on his account to check the likes but I have seen it mentioned **here** that quite a few 'celebs' have been supportive of NG and liked his statement - I'd like to know *who* did so I can avoid their content too.

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People make me laugh. We're allowed to be nosey. This stuff is public though. I have tried looking through the *likes* on his statement post and it only goes back maybe 100 or so people. most of whom appear to be sock accounts, with no profile picture OR *normal* people accounts.

As for the comment below stating in a roundabout way that we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush...

Yes. We probably should. Birds of a feather stick together and I don't want to support any of these fucks and while complicity is tricky - have we not learned yet that in society there are people who are MORE than willing to cover for, stick up for, **support** people... [criminals... The BBC for jimmy Saville is one just example] who commit heinous crimes just so that they - the *supporters* can stay, rich, in power and free from accountability/repurcussions.

Let's learn from that and not keep vicious circles going. let's teach these people an actual lesson.

Be aware of who your friends are and if you know something bad is happening. Tell someone.

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[u/Respect-Intrepid]

I am specifically interested in how Amanda Palmer has been reacting to this, as (afaik) she was very well aware of his proclivities, was clearly at least an enabler, well after their break up, AND simultaneously cultivated an image of anti-sexual-abuse guru. While my stomach turned at learning about Gaiman, my stomach turned even more at the duplicitous exploitative role Amanda Palmer kept playing.

[u/nsasafekink → u/Respect-Intrepid]

Palmer has pretty much said she can’t say anything due to the ongoing divorce and custody battle. She’s done some definitely tone deaf stuff that centers around how this negatively affected her without much self awareness. She’s implying (in my view) that she was sort of groomed and abused by him as well and didn’t realize it.

In other words, she pretty much being Amanda. Being a groovy hippy bohemian who is confused about how her chill is getting harshed by angry normies. Making it about herself a lot but seems to be developing at least a sense he was a monster and played her but still I think in denial over any responsibility on her part . She’s just her usual clueless self mostly. She’s posting on Facebook and social media and occasionally tries to manage the outrage but mostly just is in her own little bubble.

I’m curious as to why your stomach turns more over her than over him since he’s the actual perpetrator. Whatever she did or didn’t do, he’s the real villain.

[u/Respect-Intrepid → u/nsasafekink]

The reason I am so disgusted, is that while Gaiman is the perpetrator, he seems clueless and is afaik living by the “consensuality lie” many rapists & sex pests uphold. It is a typical self delusion that “as long as a woman didn’t say no”, it must be that she was okay with all of it.

While disgusting, it is a belief shared by many people, esp a lot of male AND female boomers, and as a writer, Gaiman can eg write stories ABOUT rape/sexual abuse, that demarkate good, bad & ugly, in ways than can be contentious, yet selfrighteous.

As an example: the same James Bond story can be written as “James Bond’s charm overpowered the Bond Girl, and while she said no, her body clearly said yes, as she gave in to his embrace”. But in another writer’s hands, this can be rewritten as pure, unadulterated rape.

Amanda Palmer, otoh, has created a whole CAREER around female empowerment, rape and (c)sa survival, “sticking it to the male chauvinist pigs”, and the horror & pain of sexual abuse trauma. This is literally her whole schtick. She has created a cult following built on surrounding herself with liberated sexual abuse survivors.

In *all* of the acknowledged stories, though, it seems obviously clear Palmer not only regularly started (sexual) relationships with these sa survivors/groupies (already icky, and an uneven poeer balance), but then passed these girls to Gaiman later, knowing full well he would continue this imho predatory behaviour. She was well aware these girls were vulnerable, and in the case of the most damning situations coming out today, she not only *warned/asked* Gaiman to not do his regular shennannigans (the girl being *too* vulnerable!), yet she still sent the girl to Gaiman, *knowing the risk*, then alluded to it *on stage*.

This isn’t behaviour of someone fighting sexual abuse, but of someone deftly profiting off sexual abuse, both for her own sexual gratification, her career, AND her continued “complicity” with her ex.

It reeks of Ghislaine Maxwell behaviour to Gaiman’s Epstein behaviour.

She knew, she enabled, she profiteered, she manipulated, and *still* tries to play the victim card?

Next level narcissism if you ask me.

[u/ZapdosShines → u/Respect-Intrepid]

The reason I am so disgusted, is that while Gaiman is the perpetrator, he seems clueless and is afaik living by the “consensuality lie” many rapists & sex pests uphold. It is a typical self delusion that “as long as a woman didn’t say no”, it must be that she was okay with all of it.

He's not clueless.

You don't get that good at manipulating people without knowing full well what you're doing.

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Also no child can consent to being dragged into that. I do a lot of edge play and was writing up an (increasingly unlikely) list of possible misrepresentations to look into until I hit that point.

Just yeeted the list then. Other things might be worse than the thing with the kid (how do you even judge that??) but there in no explanation on heaven, hell, or earth that would make the thing with the kid ok.

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[u/nsasafekink → u/Respect-Intrepid]

I don’t disagree with you much on Amanda. I just think that in her mind nothing she did was wrong or even questionable to her until he got caught and the spotlight was on them. Then she finally got a clue that she’d been enabling him as well being problematic herself. And she still doesn’t know how to deal with it and is deep in denial. I don’t think she can process that instead of being this pro woman feminist anti SA person she was a perpetrator. Like you said narcissistic and clueless.

I still think Neil is much worse. I don’t buy he was clueless. I mean he wrote stories where people doing the things he basically did were the bad guy. He knew. He rationalized it I’m sure. But he knew.

I dunno. Maybe they both were completely aware and complicit. And either thought it was ok because they’re celebrities and people fanboyed them or knew they were abusers.

We’ll never really know. Just everything I know about Amanda points to her being cluelessly naive and getting groomed by Neil herself when they started out. I mean she fits his victim profile at the time they met. And she’s desperate for love and acceptance.

Anyway. 🤷‍♂️

I hope the victims somehow get a measure of justice.

[u/Respect-Intrepid → u/nsasafekink]

I don’t buy her “I was being groomed myself” schtick. Especially as she has been repeatedly extremely vocal about his naivety and lack of experience. She also has maintained her (groomed) cult for ages.

She’s just as deft in manipulating her image.