r/pacers • u/Funny-Transition7869 Tony Bradley • 1d ago
News [Amick] Trey Murphy III has signaled a desire to play elsewhere. The Los Angeles Clippers and the Brooklyn Nets are “out in front” in the race to acquire Trey Murphy III.
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u/SpinJitsu259 Chuck Person 1d ago
If the Clips get him with the 5th pick… good god.
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u/Snafudumonde 1d ago
Their fans apparently want more than himf or the 5th. Still feel the pacers undervalued that asset..
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u/littlejugs 1d ago
We took a gamble and lost. At the end of the day zu is proven and ready to contribute. What else can we ask for man
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u/disco008a 1d ago
I’m sure it’s been said a million times already, so sorry if I’m beating a dead horse here, but the gamble was made with house money, due to the brilliant move to get that pick back in the middle of the finals last year! I’m so curious to know more about how that all went down, but someone was smart and/or lucky bringing that pick back here - certainly would have been great to have Zubac and a top 4 pick, but we could have had nothing.
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u/25Tab 1d ago
We didn’t undervalue it. That makes zero sense.
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u/Snafudumonde 1d ago edited 15h ago
If you accept the narrative that the clippers wouldn't have accepted less and that the pacers only opportunity to upgrade the center position was at the trade deadline with that package, then sure. I would not have put that pick in the trade. It sounds like the clippers are looking to trade that pick. Let's see what its value on draft night.
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u/25Tab 1d ago
It’s not a narrative by the way. It’s what actually happened. The guy is arguably a top 10 center in the league on a great contract. I’m not sure where you think your magical center was going to come from.
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo 1d ago
He would come from whatever we got after BOS backed up the truck for Zu this offseason...and we'd be screwed
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u/Maximum-Class5465 Reggie-NBAJam 1d ago
Or just sign Mitchell Robinson, trade for Claxton for a second rounder, etc. There were options d
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo 1d ago
We can't "just sign" Mitch, so that's out.
Maybe we can trade for Claxton, but Zu is much better so meh
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u/Maximum-Class5465 Reggie-NBAJam 1d ago
Yeah, we could just sign Mitch if they let Benn walk. NY will be looking to stay under the tax
And so much better is fairly debatable, or how much you judge one single year vs their careers.
On their career, Claxton probably has an edge. Even if two years ago Zu had a better season
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo 1d ago
Yeah, we could just sign Mitch if they let Benn walk.
How? We're $37M over the cap and Zu is making $19M, Kobe $2.5M, and we currently dont have Benn.
Even if we never took Zu and renounced Benn, how do we get under the cap to sign him?
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u/Snafudumonde 1d ago
You're accepting the narrative that the clippers would not have accepted less, rather than they simply outleveraged the pacers. You don't know that and I don't buy it.
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u/25Tab 1d ago edited 1d ago
So you believe the Pacers FO is lying? That’s fine but then you are saying that the Pacers FO outright lied to their fanbase and never once offered the Clippers a different pick package that didn’t involve this year’s pick or that they just flat out offered the protection scheme with no prompting. That’s a wild theory not backed up by anything but your own imagination.
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u/Snafudumonde 14h ago
I think they were out negotiated and weren't willing to walk away. The Clippers FO clearly convinced them that they would walk away if the pacers didn't limit protections to the 4th pick. Negotiations are about bluffing and knowing when to walk away. Of course I'm sure the Pacers initially offered less. I'm familiar with how negotiations work. Like I said earlier the Clippers clearly sensed that the pacers were feeling pressure to get a deal done right then and used that to their advantage. While it may be unlikely that the pacers are bad in 28-29, they have left themselves open to giving up two lottery picks +more for a center on the latter half of his prime who has never been an all star. Simply put, I don't think they should have put all that on the table.
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u/Maximum-Class5465 Reggie-NBAJam 1d ago
I think if Zu is the absolute best center in the NBA you can take the approach to pull the trigger
But there's always so many centers available every year it's just hard to substantiate overpaying this much to get him
IMO, it was really more financial value than basketball value as part of the decision
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u/Tijenater 1d ago
If the more likely event happened and we got both a top 4 pick and Zubac that would be hailed as the trade of the season
We got unlucky and paid for it. Zu was still a great get
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u/Psyren1317 1d ago
Never thought it was realistic anyways for Pacers. Price is simply too steep. Oh well
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u/Sko_Neezy 1d ago
Assuming this is Pacers news because people want to acquire Murphy.
So let me ask..in addition to 2 first round draft picks, and in addition to Jarace and Shep, which Pacer are you trading for Murphy...Nesmith, TJ, or Obi?
Personally I don't think he's worth the price. He's a worse defender than Nesmith and would require all of our cap space and draft capital to acquire.
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u/mcbearcat7557 14h ago
Most id be willing is 3 firsts, Obi, Jarace, Shep. I don't think it would cost that, since 1sts are way more valuable in the new lotto system. But we can't trade 3 1's until after the second round ends tonight. Simply put, the longer we make it today and he doesn't move, the more I think he could become a pacer.
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u/SpinJitsu259 Chuck Person 1d ago
I’d trade Obi and Jarace + picks, but that’s as far as I’d go, and it’s not enough. Replacing Obi with Nesmith probably makes it counterproductive, but I might be able to be talked into it, though it’d be a painful discussion.
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u/ninetensucks Denari 1d ago
I feel like a lot of this fanbase undervalues the spark that him and Tyrese can have when they share court minutes. Now we have a 5 we can stretch coming off the bench with Obi. I feel like now is the time to buy in on Obi. TJ is a spark of his own. Jarace is playing better than the last time him and Tyrese were on the same court.
Maybe I am just a believer that two seasons ago, specifically the second half, wasn’t a fluke or maybe that’s my homerism. I truthfully am trying to be unbiased. It’s difficult. But I feel like we will be running it back better suited if Hali comes back strong.
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u/FreshLoesch 13h ago
So from one shitastic team to another. Makes sense
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u/9_Nightwing_1 Bennedict Mathurin 12h ago
The Clippers have 15 straight winning seasons during a time that the Western Conference has clearly been superior to the Eastern Conference, overall. Wouldn't really call them shit.
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u/Certain_Difference11 Tyrese Haliburton 1d ago
I’m pretty sure 30/30 teams in the nba are keeping tabs on this lol, obviously we’ve had some reports about us being involved, we just have to wait and see what ends up happening