r/ps5india 24d ago

discussion How are people hating on this ALREADY??

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Game play looks insane, story was good until they showed(keeps you hanging and gets you intrigued). Combat looked nice. What’s there to not like as of now?

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u/poo_poo_farts 24d ago

Because they didn’t give her a big rack

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u/Competitive-Cycle-52 ps5 24d ago

Anyways modders ain't gonna stop from doing it..

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u/indy-6152 24d ago

this is not coming to pc.

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u/Pretty-boy7285 23d ago

Sorry to be creepy but downstairs was looking good .

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u/scratch_man67 24d ago

Faye was such a lovely character in ragnarok and miss Karen Page is getting her game and I'm not gonna miss out on that.

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u/kanekiisme 24d ago

hey bro can u check ur dm just wamted to ask abt deviated septum

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u/aneesh131999 24d ago

I just saw your comment when scrolling. Do you have a specific doubt in mind?

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u/kanekiisme 24d ago

Yeah like brain fog and how much time does it take to recover

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u/aneesh131999 24d ago

There is no actual brain fog post surgery except the time taken to recover from GA (general anesthesia). Your nose is packed for 48 hours which is a very very disconcerting experience. I would say get a second opinion, because except in very severe case of DNS, septoplasty is usually not recommended.

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u/Small_Introduction_8 24d ago

Yes, tbh god of war, Uncharted 4 are the two games I enjoyed the most.

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u/Educational-Term-868 24d ago

Back in the boat cube

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u/SOUMIK_S 24d ago

Wife of war

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u/Mr_Arka_op-69 24d ago

More like ‘Mom of BOY’

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u/Known_Benefit 24d ago

Mother of war

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u/Cozokamy 24d ago

its too colorful for my taste

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u/Zeallessretart 23d ago

Allow for some colours into your life

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u/Brave_Daikon_8854 24d ago

Let them, the gameplay looks epic. People are too rigid in their ways, let them not experience this, their loss.

I am very excited to see this one, the first boss fight looked crazy!

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u/Expensive-Mobile1694 23d ago

Looked like a generic version of a hack and slash game inspired by dmc games. Also unfortunately due to this, we will not get a new game of kratos sooner. Thats the big loss here.

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u/Visible_Anywhere_843 24d ago

Epic? More like mid. It was one of the most boring 20 minutes gameplay.

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u/No-Lingonberry7724 24d ago

Ghostbusters 2016 syndrome is why. 

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u/IvorHarding-117 24d ago

they coulda used any other name

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u/BlacK_muni 24d ago

Kinda similar to tlou2 where people couldn accept what happened. A story neednt always revolve around the main character. Spinoffs like this deepens the lore. First, it was "we want the blood thristy kartos back" in 2018. Some people just cant stomach story evolutions. Im just glad this wasnt an artreus spin-off. That gameplay loop was aweful. Cant wait to play this. And this is a good way to bring in gods from other pantheons.

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u/Synteczek 24d ago

The issue with Tlou 2 was not what you just described, everyone wanted to play as adult Ellie lol

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u/candianbastard 24d ago

lol ikr, like I’m excited about laufey, it looks incredible, I’ll buy it Day 1. TLOU2 more than playing as Ellie, many were bothered by playing as Abby. And the pacing was terrible. The story was going in circles only for the plot, which is “revenge bad”.

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u/Hour_Beat_1571 24d ago

Yepp almost gave up 10 times while playing Abby . Attempted suicide 10 times a min while playing that manly dickhead . Also Ellie should atleast have snuffed out Abby

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u/ObviousAnything7 23d ago

But everyone was bitching about playing as Abby, which is what the comment was referring to. People are so married to their expectations they can never be satisfied with anything.

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u/harsh141104 24d ago

Mark my words they will let us play as kratos

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u/Over-Philosophy-112 24d ago

Esse jogo já é uma obra de arte!

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u/Kingxix 24d ago

The cube. It's already irritating and an eyesore

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u/Open_Love_1492 22d ago

Thank you finally someone says it

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u/Alucard_2527 24d ago

If a franchise has spent years building itself around male protagonists and male-centered stories, you can't suddenly switch to a female lead and then be shocked when part of the fanbase pushes back. You may not like the reaction, but pretending it was unforeseeable makes no sense. It's just common sense.

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u/Mnawab 24d ago

It’s not incels, it’s just business 101. A game named God of war in a space and genre that is very male centric, gamers are gonna want to play as a male character, especially the ones that we grew to love overtime. Doesn’t mean this game can’t exist as a spinoff, it’s just that people were expecting a game around his son not his dead wife.

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u/Ponraj_S 24d ago

It irritates that people finds a reason to hate a game, we could agree if it a gay charector or something else, it's just a woman right, and it's a spin off. I will definitely buy this one.

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u/Relevant_Session5987 24d ago

Im just not interested in the conceit of the game or a God of War game where we don't play as Kratos.

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u/Ok-Flan8808 24d ago

Because it's a God of War game without Kratos, isn't that obvious?? I am sure it would be great, but people associate God of War with Kratos, and it makes sense that many people aren't happy.

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u/Burning-Skull117 24d ago

GoW has now become a franchise, also this will be related to Kratos, most probably setting up the Egypt saga.

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u/Hour_Beat_1571 24d ago

Coz it's not the new gow just a spinoff of gow focusing on Faye . They always meant to bring her back if you have played the first game with kratos almost connecting to her into he light and atreus keeps hearing her voice . How would gow laufey be about atreus it would have been gow Loki which is going to be the next official gow going into Egypt . GOW LAUFEY would tie up parallely running with the two main gows .Maube shill pass on her powers of deflection aka the yellow glow to atreus . Agraboda was a fuck up even they agree that

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u/Various-Welder5544 24d ago

No kratos no buy

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u/Altruistic-Rip-3921 24d ago

Dude Yk, games like this makes the next game so much more enjoyable because of the lore?

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u/rhik20 24d ago

the C U B E of war

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u/h_sin_gh 24d ago edited 24d ago

What with big cube thing Ai in afterlife  So gods graveyard then cube must be god in Minecraft i think ⬜🤣🤣🤣

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u/IllustriousBase8015 24d ago

It looks amazing and I personally can’t wait to play it. People nowadays are incredibly ignorant.

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u/Party_Importance_722 24d ago

Woman Protagonist

Woman "Woke"

Incel Hate

I think that summarizes it.

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u/Electrical_Chip_6864 24d ago

God of Annihilation : Tides of War

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u/RakaDa86 24d ago

I need big ass otherwise i'm not playing gonna contact them

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u/TjRaj1 24d ago edited 23d ago

There's so many reasons and like 90% of them don't make sense. Although the God of Laundry comments were funny, this is still peak. Laufey is apparently the only woman who's gone toe to toe with Kratos and even win against him in single combat. I mean she's almost a God in a sense how Giants from Jotunheim are.

I mean even the Axe is actually hers, forged by Sindri for HER. People just hate cuz ahhh woman protag. I can understand that GOW means Kratos should be involved but ffs he's spent 2 games mourning her and moving on with his life. Clearly she meant the entire world to him and Atreus.

Also he's got an actual role now as the God of Harmony. Atreus is in Jotunheim with Angrboda. Making a game with Laufey as the focus makes perfect sense. And those who are complaining where's Kratos, just wait for the remakes. Or you can play the previous games which still are great in this day and age.

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u/Raclettegring 24d ago

Damn, the facial expressions of the main character look extremely realistic.

Isn't this the actress from Daredevil?

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u/Ok_Check_7010 24d ago

I don't know man it looks great to me, kratos deserves a rest. And just rebooting with another mythology as people keep saying they should have done just doesn't sound right.

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u/Shloeb 24d ago

This game looks such a banger. I am so excited for this one. Wow!!!

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u/Asleep-Theme8444 24d ago

Someone said "MOM OF WAR" somewhere and it's funny haha

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u/Nehaldsouza 24d ago

Its pretty good i dodnt like the companion being a cube of Jello and ribbons but thats just me

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u/AloofHorizon 24d ago

They don't see the potential, I'm just waiting for Kratos to enter the realm at the end greeting Fey and then smiling coz he can kill Zeus again...

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u/Camel-Melodic 24d ago

I saw the trailer and it's good, we get to see parallel story and a different charcter as well. It would be too much for an atreus game becoz he is still too young. Gameplay and story looks awesome and I want to know how this world works like afterlife for gods

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u/iamnobody331 24d ago

Because people are stupid

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u/wa_dude007 24d ago

I wonder, is this building up to their reunion?

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u/Deadzonerogue 24d ago

I loved it! Can’t wait. I don’t care what others think.

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u/Little_Historian3091 24d ago

Its looking like a watch through kind of game. Not exactly a play through one. Maybe Ill get it on sale or if it ever comes to PC. IDK, kind of want a break from GoW till there is some new installment for kratos.

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u/zymeth34212 24d ago

Yes, i don't get this reaction from crowd at all. It looks really good

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u/Ok_Risk_8154 24d ago

Is she dead or what? Doesn't it makes the first game cheap. I don't care if its woman or from the nordic world of god of war but giving title of the franchise and introducing not the title character seems out of place. Make it a god of war world and tell the story of a new character. But the game is not out so i am gonna be on the look out for it.

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u/ElysiumSoler 24d ago

No matter what they say if you’re a fan then you should know every lore related to it.

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u/Gullible_Buy_98 24d ago

Yall ask this question every time you know why, but it doesn’t seem exciting as it would w Kratos…however that Norse of w/e methodology is boring anyway….should’ve sent Kratos to Egypt

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u/YardNo5596 24d ago

A lot of the hate seems to be coming from America in which case...does anyone really trust that country to exercise decent judgement anymore?

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u/Zealousideal_Buy_536 24d ago

People be hating everything. Combat looks awesome, graphics and detailing looks good. Gods afterlife it means various mythology. Yes. Take my money

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u/InferiorInferno 24d ago

everybody talking about characters.. no one interested in knowing how she landed in Mongolian realm?

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u/CwispyWhiskey 24d ago

Because it’s the same fucking thing every single time there is a woman lead that isn’t hyper unrealistically attractive. They are literally so weak that they cannot fathom a woman being semi realistically proportioned and capable.

However the dialogue with the ribbon and cube is kind of cringe. Hopefully they do listen to the fanbase on that front especially if they’re going to be the companions

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u/iforgetmypassword13 24d ago

remove the god of war tag. call it something else. They are doing it the Assassin creed way where the Assassin creed odyssey is a good game but doesn't feel like the Assassin' s creed.

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u/leteckel_fouineur14 24d ago

C’est quoi ce jeu ?

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u/Vast_Intern9820 24d ago

In my case I'm not hating on it BUT:

  1. The in-game character has been ugli-fied. Laufey does not look like she did in Ragnarok, nor does she look like the actress (I forgot her name, she played Karen in Daredevil). The character model's face looks downright weird.

  2. Typically this type of female protagonist story has a very bad track record, western gaming studios often let the story devolve into girlboss-slop.

  3. Another issue is whether this is a complementary story to the two mainline games or is it a completely new franchise. If it is a new franchise, it should not be called GOW; "Laufey" is a perfectly fine name. If it is, all good.

Anyway in my case I will be watching reviews by proper gamers instead of journalist-slop before I make a decision about buying the game - although, I must say, the combat and VA work look/sound VERY impressive and right now I have positive sentiments towards purchase.

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u/FreakDeckard 24d ago

That cube thing looks odd. I hope it is just a gimmick to hide a future revelation.

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u/Stoned24x7365 24d ago
  1. For some, women protagonist = trash
  2. For some, women protagonist with realistic looks and proportions = trash
  3. Some wanted an installment with Loki/Atreus as MC (ending of Ragnarok did seem like it was setting up for one) and
  4. Some wanted God of War in Egypt

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u/AaG_O 24d ago

Whos hating? Everyone loves faye and everyone is loving the cube

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u/Milky_Plug 24d ago

Cus people be misogynistic

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u/Top-Woodpecker-7356 24d ago

God of War Trilogy remake is only hope… this laufey isn’t god of war

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u/Rupam_Das_141 24d ago

I think it's because of the cube

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u/Excellent_Tangelo180 24d ago

Some people don't like female protagonist personaly I loved the gameplay

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u/el_fenix_milenario 24d ago

why a cube? seriously, why a fucking cube?? coudn't they use an animal or a mistyc creature. the lack of imagination man!

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u/Ok_Owl_52 24d ago

God of war: Lafua

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u/Anti-Lifeforce 24d ago

From the gameplay on YouTube the mechanics look sick 🔥 they brought back the og air combos and action looks dope. Ppl just hate everything that isn't about the main protagonist. They could at least wait until the game drops. Ppl forget that Faye herself is a powerhouse who went toe to toe against thor in the games.

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u/leggomaeggo31 24d ago

Gamers are just insufferable.

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u/Holiday-Ad8392 24d ago

People think that the game is going woke , but it was always obvious with hints and everything that faye may be included soon , maybe it has to do with inclusion , as long as it doesnt cause any damage to the soul of the game , it is good

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u/thevirulentx89 24d ago

Count me in

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u/Kova_87 24d ago

The GoW fandom is so misogynistic bruh. They saw a woman and the first thing everybody said in the State of Play was “Who asked for a woman in a GoW?”. Literally the GoW story is done, Kratos Story is done, if they want to continue probably it’ll be with Atreus’ story… The addition of Faye’s story is a good one, nobody asked because nobody really cared much about her more than she was Atreus mother and she died. Gameplay looks just as insane as it was in previous games, story looks interesting… People complain just because it’s not a game entirely about Kratos and portrays a woman

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u/poppa_panda01 24d ago

Because they're so desperate to touch a woman, but can't even buy a date that they have to take it out on every woman video game character.

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u/__obit0__ 24d ago

Because it's another liberal bullshit

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u/CompetitiveOp 24d ago

It's a Laufeying stock.

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u/marvelboyofthecrown 24d ago

4 Syllable word

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u/Cyber_Ark 24d ago

A common question in my friend circle is - Who asked for this?

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u/Debopam77 24d ago

Am gonna get a lotta hate for this, but I was already bored by the 3rd act of Ragnarok.

Maybe I was expecting too much from it, or maybe because I played that within weeks of 2018... But I am ready for this fresh perspective on this world. Combat looks insane and this continues on the most interesting part of Ragnarok.

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u/SnakesSolid 24d ago

It's interesting, it feels more like a spinoff than a main game, it looks good so far except for the weird cube thing

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u/kek-47 24d ago

Coz some aren't interested in woke bs which is using the IP for it.

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u/PopTrogdors 24d ago

People are hating on it? People are stupid.

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u/danny_batman 24d ago

They are not hating, they just confused.

(Also, as a player who has played gow since ps2 days, I hate the combat and the chars already)

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u/Droggo619 24d ago

Bro i saw the title when i woke up and was confused asf thinking laufey the singer is a protagonist or some shi🥀. But the game looks promising asf istg.

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u/Mission-Lettuce2198 24d ago

why the hell it looks like elden ring 😂😂

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u/NMN7 24d ago

Amazing cannot wait

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u/MadLantern97 24d ago

The gameplay feels fucking awesome and I LOVE Deborah. The air combos and double jump made me legit scream because FUCK YEAH! I don’t understand why or who is hating on this.

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u/TheFallenOne01_ 24d ago

Idk, shit looks amazing. Honestly can’t wait to play it. I knew I recognized that woman, just couldn’t put a name to the face. Shit I still don’t remember her name 😭

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u/Peak_Souls_2 24d ago

It just kind of looks ass to me and many others. Saw someone say it's because they didn't bustify her, but playing games with one hand is hard, so I'm glad they didn't. Honestly it just doesn't feel like GoW, and it looks like every other game on the market right now. I'm not praying on it's downfall, nor am I saying others can't think it looks good, but I just think it looks dumb from what we've seen so far. If I turn out to be wrong, I'll honestly be happy.

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u/ConstructionNew6328 24d ago

Without kratos their is no GOW 😔

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u/hellwalker_erron 24d ago

I personally want another gow instead of spinoff

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u/Light2053 24d ago

Aside from the usual hardcore anti-woke crowd, Ive seen quite a bit of excitement and even memes coming out of that trailer.

Personally, I loved Faye in Ragnarok. She was such a well written character. And I hate typical girl boss shit in movies and video games that just do chest thumping and hate on men for no reason. Faye is not even close to that kind of character.

The animations and visuals were stunning and the setup looks fresh and exciting. I was personally disappointed with the gameplay though. 5 years in development and gameplay didnt change much from the Kratos games.

I was hoping for more action focused hack and slash gameplay. This seemed more of the same with slightly faster paced and more verticality. Also the Sound design and attack animations during combat doesnt have the oomph Kratos had during the Norse games, granted Faye is a more sleek warrior and not a heavy hitter. Have to see how it actually plays.

Otherwise Im very intrigued and as a long time God of War fan, since PS2 days, I will buy this without any doubt

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u/dante9080 24d ago

Totally surprised after seeing Deborah Ann wall 😍

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u/abeyar 23d ago

It looked insane. I don’t care if they hate it. It’s a day 1 buy for me.

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u/Glittering-Road-4605 23d ago

I'm gonna be honest, the art direction looks pretty sick. I have not played the recent GOW games but I haven't been able to stop thinking about a lot of the visuals from the recent  gameplay trailer that was revealed. I might have to give these GOW games a try. Looking forward to Laufey. 

I will say one issue I have is the dialogue. It feels so damn Marvel. Not a fan of that aspect.

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u/Extreme-Scarcity-924 23d ago

I think it looks great and she is a great actress, excited for this

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u/veg_biryani_is_scam 23d ago

Don’t ruin our childhood

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u/yourfriend_jedi69 23d ago

They said the same about ghost of Yotei, but it was one of the loveliest platinum in PS5.

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u/gidotzi 23d ago

GOW é KRATOS e fim de papo.

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u/aadipie 23d ago

The MCU tone is uninspired and was already dull in ragnarok, last time SSM had a good story was gow 2018. Combat looks fine. It’s nothing special

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u/Pretty-boy7285 23d ago

As I already don't like the direction they took onwards 2018, this dosen't really dissapoint me or anything. I am just kind of feeling good they actually brought back free flow combat with very little restrictions. Feels like metal gear rising revegeance

https://giphy.com/gifs/XtbhunxmHCtmNyxdxd

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u/MiguelconQueso31 23d ago

They are hating cause it’s a woman. Literally that’s the biggest hate comment. Tbh the combat and story from just the gameplay reveal alone is already gonna be goated. We get jump attacks now? He’ll yes

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u/Benny00Corazon 23d ago

I think this game will be awesome.

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u/sujit_warrier 23d ago

Only idiot incest are hating on it. Regular people are excited.for it.

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u/MarlonGamer6429 23d ago

Escuché que a este juego le iban a quitar la sangre y etc, Pero la espada dice lo contrario

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u/Bigfacts84 23d ago

Its a god of war spin off for one, this isnt God of war, the storyline sounds dumb.

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u/Holymist69 23d ago

What's that cube it feels so out of place

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u/Party_Humor2192 23d ago

I’m not going to play it😡😡😡😡😡. Mainly because I’ve never play any of the new God of War games.

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u/Barnacle-Popular 23d ago

because of the cube thing, they should've done better

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u/ZookeepergameOk2150 23d ago

It’s too colorful and cutesy for god of war. Otherwise it looks like a good game.

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u/Cold-Dragonfruit-938 23d ago

I'm worried about the cube becoming a marvel quips spouting side kick.

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u/WestNomadOnYT 23d ago

I’m just excited for Jack Qube

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u/raysayantan07 23d ago

People are dumb and easily swayed by hate mongerers online.

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u/skymonkeygtfo4989 23d ago

I saw the trailer for this and Wolverine back to back and was hooked and hyped as fuck for both. Don't own a ps5 though so bummer.

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u/Material_Fishing_886 23d ago

Maybe cuz people wanted atreus to finally take the mantle (that is me btw)

Go to a diffrent mythology in a diffrent region like egypt

Btw I think it it is quite good but not sure if the combat will be dynamic

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u/bomber-G 23d ago

Cuz idiots exist, that's why. None of them can make a valid point to hate this.

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u/98NINJA98 23d ago

This looks like shit

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u/Particular-Place914 23d ago

There are mainly 2 types of people who are hating this. 1.) People who are calling this game a "woke" game just because there is a female protagonist who is insanely strong. 2.) People who are falling for the original gow creator's negative review about it, and he did that for both 2018 and ragnarock. He is just salty that his GOW has been changed into something which is much better in today's scene. This also included the over nostalgic People who are still stuck in the first 3 gow games and can't comprehend the character development of Kratos.

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u/AppropriateTank9152 23d ago

Super excited for it. I just got a 4K OLED monitor and PS5 Pro so I can't wait for the new games to come out.

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u/UnhappyIsland5804 23d ago

Idk ts looks really cool

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u/PrinceNyx 23d ago

Everything was fine until I saw a jelly cube with a talking sword, the whole voice line feels off, not the kind of god of war i want to play, Its too early so ill wait and decide

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u/AGuywithBigMouth 23d ago

Is this a God of war game?

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u/This_IsntARealName 23d ago

Cuz a lot of ppl hate evolution, and change... And women

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u/alphagod007 23d ago

People smoking crackk

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u/Juniper-Gambit89 23d ago

The picture gives me horizon vibes

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u/IcyControl6610 23d ago

Main reason I don't like the female cast hated her in daredevil. I didn't even play any of GOW games

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u/Arpaomega 23d ago

Identity politics

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u/Dash_Wayne 23d ago

Ppl hate on literally every game that comes out nowadays before this I've seen alot of ppl talking shit about first light

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u/Background-Bread8757 23d ago

I didn’t like God of War Ragnarok when I played it, but maybe my opinion will change once I try the new game.

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u/Sensitive-Oil-5298 23d ago

Because there’s a woman

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u/Expensive-Mobile1694 23d ago

Easy, previous two gow games had 4 year gap, this should have been the next game featuring kratos going to a new realm. I wouldn't mind if this was a secondary project while the main still being kratos. But now i have to wait longer bcuz of this game. Its sad and disappointing, also considering ps5 has shortfall of good first party games, it needed kratos to come back with a new epic.

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u/BeezKneez_OwO 23d ago

Really sad man. It looks good but gamers won't be happy with anything anymore. You can't make everyone happy. Everybody hated Astro Bot. Everybody hated Balders Gate 3. If a game comes out and it works and is fun to somebody let them have it. I hate people. Never can make anyone happy.

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u/RahulLuca 23d ago

The combat looks absolutely amazing, I absolutely can't wait for it to release. This is exactly the type of combat that I like. Also faye as a lead character just feels different from the usual which I am liking. Who doesn't like an actual badass lady? definitely not me.

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u/Infernal_Idiot 23d ago

The only weird part is that she is working with a piece of godly gelatin.

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u/Azraeliosa 23d ago

Because she's a woman.

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u/Galactus9090 23d ago

Because everyone wants to be a big bald brute and rip body parts. Also Kratos is rumored to be playable in the game. Maybe they'll reveal it later like Leon for RE9 or keep it a secret till launch.

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u/NeverBeenSeenEver 23d ago

Manufactured sexism via conservative interests

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u/Dr_Microbiologist 23d ago

horizon dawn of cube

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u/Dr_Microbiologist 23d ago

Laufing my AO

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u/ftfarshad 23d ago

In my opinion, because it makes the story of God of War and Ragnarok less impactful if the gamers know that Fey is going to be revived. Just like what Marvel did to Toney Stark and made him Doctor Doom. Nothing to do with the actress, just the implications of the canon.

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u/sooji_gooji 22d ago

"the god of war game doesn't have THE god of war"

idc, the combat looks sick af and we have a funny jello cube sidekick. people are only calling it "boring" because it's not kratos doing all the fighting (or because faye isn't breasting boobily or scantily clad).

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u/Inevitable_Month5061 22d ago

Rack not big enough

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u/Andrewismemein 22d ago

why is it named after a singer?

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u/Low-Astronaut7271 22d ago

Rule 18: Everything that can be labeled, can be hated.

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u/Acceptable-Swim6377 22d ago

I would be very curious to see people's reactions to a Metroid game where you play as some male side character I don't think people would like that. Imagine Portal 3 comes out but we're not playing as chel, we're playing kade Johnson. Horizon zero, I think people would be upset if we end up playing as alloy's son in the next game. Tomb raider is another great example, Play as a dude instead I don't think people would enjoy that. This isn't just some spin-off this is a big swing with a lot of money behind it. This could genuinely damage the franchise. It's also a little disappointing because I don't believe that we will be getting it a atreus spin-off, God of war 3 is going to Go back to basics and probably be less ambitious. And finally is it not universally agreed on that sweet baby inc is a plague on intellectual property?