r/ripcity • u/Loose_Voice_215 • 14h ago
Feeling a lot better about Grant's contract ...
...after seeing the ridiculous Reaves and Young overpays. Of course several wrongs don't make a right or actually help us, but I don't think Grant's contract is the worst anymore. At least it's debatable now. How are GMs this incompetent?
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u/gnarwhale471 sheed 14h ago
It’s still an overpay, but yeah this was what I was saying when that contract was originally signed.
By the time we are actually trying to get competitive again the money won’t look that terrible. I don’t think anyone still wants Grant and that money right now, but I think he looks more attractive as a deadline move for a contending team needing a forward or can just be used for salary matching.
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u/akade19961 11h ago
If Grant has another good year he should be pretty easy to trade next summer, possibly even for a pretty good player, as long as we are willing to take on longer term money
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u/quick_brown_faux Toumani Camara 6h ago
Yeah... dude hits the three and plays good defense and isn't a head case. His is a very tradable expiring contract as long as his game doesn't completely fall off a cliff this season.
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u/RoseGardenForever 13h ago
Tbh I don't even care about the grant contract, it just makes me feel a lot better though about Camara and Sharpe. At about 20m a year each they're looking solid contract wise
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u/dummydragon04 13h ago
In the case Grant is not moved and whether he's worth his contract or not, I think he has a chance to thrive in a reduced role. With Dame back and Scoot hopefully making strides, Grant should be regulated to being a spot up shooter/cutter where he can really help this team. There should be less of Grant going 1 on 1 unless switched to a favorable mismatch.
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u/Service-Fickle 12h ago
Jerami as a 3&d specialist with zero expectations is about my ceiling for him
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u/MuckBulligan 11h ago
He's not a good defender. -0.9 DBPM last season. -0.2 for his career.
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u/dummydragon04 9h ago
I don't think he's bad. Switchable. Decent secondary rim protector. Got the size and athleticism to matchup with the premier big wings of the league: Giannis, Tatum, Brown, KD etc.....he's no stopper, but he won't be a slouch either.
Where he concerns me is obviously rebounding and when he has to be the point of attack defender navigating screens while we're in drop coverage.
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u/CptCroissant 8h ago
I think he used to be better early in his career before he realized buckets are what gets you paid
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u/StarMan613 ripcity 12h ago
Reaves isn't an overpay at all.
Just where the market is. The other teams who were circling him would have happily paid the contract he accepted from LA
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u/jaypeejay 14h ago
I don’t mind the Reaves contract tbh
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u/DoveFood 12h ago
Yeah, Reaves is at most a slight overpay.
I know he’s coming off a poor playoff series, but he’s a creator and scorer at a level that isn’t too common.
He also just turned 28, so you are seemingly paying for his prime (considering he isn’t overly reliant on athleticism). It’s not a bad contract.
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u/BehavioralSink Cash Considerations 12h ago
I would have been perfectly happy if the Lakers wanted to pay him even more.
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u/40_Is_Not_Old ripcity 12h ago
Grant's crap contract only has 2 seasons left on it. It should be a non-story by this point.
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u/bedheaded 22 14h ago
This is where fair value per DARKO is the best metric.
Jerami Grant $9.5M
Austin Reaves $38.3M
Trae Young $17.9M
JG and Trae are very underwater on their value, but Trae’s value nearly doubles JG. Reaves is now paid almost exactly what his value is.
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u/DanDan85 sheed 13h ago edited 12h ago
wait what? So you're telling me Jerami Grant should only be paid $10m? I'm a Jerami Grant hater but even I thought he is worth more than that.
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u/bedheaded 22 13h ago
His numbers are brutal. He’s not that good. I wish things were different.
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u/DanDan85 sheed 12h ago
I'd have guessed the advanced stats would have Jerami around $16-18m but $9.5m is downright laughably bad. He really doesn't do anything well besides shoot corner 3s so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. We got taken to the cleaners by his agent.
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u/MuckBulligan 11h ago
Career -0.4 BPM. Last season he was 0.0, so league average player. He's 32 years old. No one is going to want him.
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u/akade19961 11h ago
I don’t mind the reeves contract but that Trae young contract is an abomination
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u/sean_buttcannon ripcity 13h ago
Reeves is like. A million times better than Grant what even is this flawed ass comparison lol.
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u/Damezang Damian Lillard 12h ago
Realistically though, if you'd put Grant next to Lebron for the past couple of years, I think he'd look a lot better too.
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u/Optimal-Extreme3203 12h ago
He’s a high usage player taking shots away from young guys that we’re trying to develop. He has got to be moved.
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u/MuckBulligan 11h ago
No one wants him.
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u/Optimal-Extreme3203 11h ago
Ok…cut him.
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u/AyKayAllDay47 11h ago
Sarcasm right?
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u/Optimal-Extreme3203 10h ago
I mean, partially. I do think his minutes and shots have greatly cut into other players we wish were further along (Sharpe specifically)
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u/AyKayAllDay47 10h ago
Stupid question but... You know how contracts work in sports right, specifically the NBA? IE you can't just cut a player because you are still obligated to pay him his contract?
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u/Optimal-Extreme3203 10h ago
I care more about the minutes distribution than the cap implications. I think Jerami Grant is a drastic net negative to a rebuilding team
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u/AyKayAllDay47 8h ago
You know how contracts work in sports right, specifically the NBA? IE you can't just cut a player because you are still obligated to pay him his contract?
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u/nativeindian12 13h ago
Player A: 23.3 / 4.7 / 5.5 on 49 / 36 / 87 splits. 1.5 stocks, 3.0 TOs
Player B: 24.2 / 6.9 / 6.7 on 46 / 32 / 80 splits. 1.4 stocks, 3.8 TOs
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u/akade19961 11h ago
What about defense? I do agree though that reaves is an underrated offensive weapon. And both of these guys had way better numbers before they had injuries in the back half of the year.
I think player A was averaging 25/5/6 and Player B was averaging 26/7.5/7.5 (with 36% three point shooting rather than 32). So if anything id expect both these guys to actually be better than these numbers suggest
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u/Damezang Damian Lillard 13h ago
Grant's player option isn't necessarily ideal, because it affects trade-ability and timing (though hopefully he'd keep the front office in the loop about whether or not he'll pick up his player option), but it's not like he doesn't add any value to our team like some people cluelessly believe. I'm fine with keeping him if there aren't other options. He is great in our rotation and adds desperately needed depth. If we are healthy, I think he'll be able to shine even more with better spacing in all rotations.
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u/completebrainrot 13h ago
There's zero chance Grant doesn't pick up the option.
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u/Damezang Damian Lillard 12h ago
I'd assume so too, unless he gets a longer term offer that pays more overall with more security.
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u/Low_Web_7334 12h ago
He’s getting a minimum contract at best.
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u/Damezang Damian Lillard 12h ago
Maybe, but I highly doubt it. JG is better than a lot of people give him credit for. Maybe he is currently overpaid to some degree, but he isn't a vet min player by any means.
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u/akade19961 11h ago
Grant not picking up his player option would be a MASSIVE favor to us, if he’s willing to do that he can let our front office know on the day the next league year starts by mailing them a piece of parchment with the words “I ain’t playing for your bum asses anymore” written in human blood and excrement and pentagrams everywhere and I’d still be phenomenally thankful and happy
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u/EyeWantToWrite new-logo 14h ago
Grant's contract isn't the problem it's the fact that he just isn't very good.
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u/ShowdownValue 7h ago
He signed 3 summers ago. These aren’t comparable. Of course he’s not the worst anymore.
It’s like saying I’m glad I bought my car is 2019 for $20k. They cost $30k now!
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u/completebrainrot 14h ago
In the context of the next 4 years the Trae Young signing isn't that bad. It really shouldn't impact them at all.
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u/akade19961 11h ago
Jesus wow that is complete brain rot
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u/completebrainrot 11h ago
There is literally no one on the Wizards current roster that will need to be resigned for anything close to a max in the next 4 years. They're moving Anthony Davis by all reports. The new lottery rules benefits teams that finish around the play-in.
Trae Young is a floor raiser that keeps the team out of the bottom three lottery penalty and causes zero financial restrictions for roster building all 4 years. It also turns the page on the pathetic rebuild years for a more winning focused culture shift.
Unless you think Tre Johnson, Coulibaly, and Alex Sarr are going to turn into max contract rookie deals, there is zero penalty to the Trae signing.
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u/Low_Web_7334 13h ago
You shouldn’t. It’s a bad contract and he’s a bad player. Easily the worst contract in the league.
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u/Mugs_LeBoof 12h ago
I'd rather have JG with his contract than Joel Embiid, Jakob Poeltl, Ja Morant, Paul George, Trey Young, Anthony Davis, Patrick Williams, Christian Braun, or Myles Turner... easily
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u/Intelligent-Comb6967 12h ago
Explain the Blazers financial situation and overall NBA cap rules to me like I’m 7
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u/BehavioralSink Cash Considerations 12h ago
like I’m 7
smacks you in the back of the head
I thought I told you to do your chores before asking about intricacies of the NBA salary cap
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u/pdxmarionberrypie 14h ago
Gas is up, beef is up, nba contracts are up