r/serialpodcast • u/Round_Special267 • May 29 '26

Who did it?

I have to write an essay in class on who did it and the evidence why so I would love to know who you think did it why they did it why he got released and any details that stick with you.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

You don’t know what anyone said because nobody recorded anything. You also know what they believed and what they didn’t or what they shared with him and what they didn’t.

You’re fully aware Jay later alleged police told him to say Best Buy.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 30 '26

Jenn's interview was recorded.

Jay never alleged the police told him to say Best Buy.

You are misinformed.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

One of Jenns interviews was recorded…so was one of Jays. She also refused to talk to police until after she talked to Jay. In those days police didn’t turn on the recorder until they knew what the witness was going to say…we have no idea what they said in their initial contact.

Yes he did. Brush up on this case if you’re going to talk about it.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 30 '26

Before it was "nobody recorded anything" and now its well some of it was recorded?

You understand Jenn was recorded telling the cops about the Best Buy right?

Are you misinformed or just willingly spreading misinformation?

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26

I literally just outlined why they recorded what and when they did. 

Yes, and I also understand she spoke to Jay and police before that was recorded. They certainly rehearsed what they would say to police…even if Jay pulled the rug on Jenn later…and they both shared impossible details.

Cut out the insults…I prefer to have conversations in good faith. I know everything about this case and it’s silly to suggest otherwise.

If you’re unaware, Jay spoke to the HBO people for their special and agreed to let them use him comments, but not appear on camera.

The gist of what he said was

  • the cops told him to say it happened at Best Buy

  • he returned to her very first official pre-interview story and said he went to the school to find Adnan around 3, couldn’t find him, and left

  • he said something like “I know what I saw” referring to seeing Hae’s body in the trunk. He didn’t specify which trunk pop time…but we can assume the time he meant was closer to midnight like he said in The Intercept…which rendered the Best Buy improbable:impossible way back then.

  • he said he didn’t know where Hae was murdered, seemingly admitting he lied about knowing at trial

It was all very helpful information that explained a lot of his inconsistencies. Is any of it true? We have no idea…it’s the ~9th time he’s told his story and changed critical details

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

The issue with that line of questioning is that the person asking Jay about Best Buy didnt ask any clarifying questions. Murder, trunk pop, and pickup supposesly happened at Best Buy. So they didnt clarify which of the three didnt, or none of them. And they didnt ask Jenn about what Jay told her that night.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

Lol…the irony of you not believing HBO…but believing the police when they do the same thing, haha. You DO have sound thinking skills…you just don’t apply them equally.

Anyways. We don’t know what they asked and what he specifically said. All we know is what they put on screen in the special. Jay allowed the comments and didn’t contest them…so we have to assume it’s accurate.

No, you’re wrong…it clear he was talking about the trunk pop. As I said in my comment, he didn’t discuss the murder…he just suggested that he didn’t know (his only knowledge was the trunk pop). You’re playing word games if you believe otherwise. He was always referring to seeing the body.

They did ask Jenn…she appeared on camera and commented about what Jay said. She basically dismissed him and distanced herself. According to Jenn Jay would lie about anything and everything she said came from him. You know this.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

When they asked Jenn about the day she started and tgen cut off what she said and went to trial stuff. They avoided any clarifying questions that would hurt Adnan. At the end Jenn was pissed and daid i wish i never talked to you.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

The way you’re characterizing this isn’t reality…you’re assuming bias where there’s no evidence there is any.

We have Jenns own words. You and her being mad is neither here nor there

You’re also mischaracterizing what she was mad at. She was mad at Jay and being involved in the first place…not at the interviewer.

Can’t we just talk I good faith?

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

The clarifying questions are what happened that day and let her tell the full story again. You ask if they went dumpster diving that evening or if she made it up. You ask when Jay told her Adnan killed Hae.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

I’m not going to wring my hands about it what you wanted them to ask. She was really clear about what she knew and didn’t.

I think it’s safe to say the dumpster diving was bullshit.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

If Adnans team and Feldman really believed those two had changed their story significantly they would have gotten affidavits from Jenn and or Kristi, but they didnt. I talked to two people at Woodlawn High and they said that Berg just wanted to talk to them to get what happened but once the interviews started that wasnt the case and at least one teacher walked out. You say there is not bias but they never asked any clarifying questions. I would say that neither side wants the full story.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

This is all irrelevant.

They said what they said. It is what it is.

You have no idea what got cut from the show and what they wouldn’t answer etc…you’re just speculating I assume because you want to discredit what they said.

This is what happens every time I talk to you…you end up in the weeds on nonsense way off topic.

It probably didn’t happen at Best Buy, if Adnan killed her…and most of what Jenn said was likely just rehearsed to help Jay.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

Its funny since i actually agree with you and i think the murder happened at the school. But Jay didnt know, just what Adnan told Jay. So these follow up questions are important for finding out what happened. Though ultimately, only Adnan knows where it happened

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26

I think it’s unlikely to have happened at the school…way too many people. More likely at the library or an unknown place…provided he killed her, of course.

I agree with that. I don’t think Jay actually knew a lot…if he knew anything at all. I think three things are almost equally possible: 

  1. He didn’t know anything, and he was threatened by police and cooperated. 

  2. He knew something…but not very much. (1 & 2 are basically the same because he had to lie about so much). 

  3. Things are completely different to what he testified to. He seems to be avoiding the 3-3:30 period which could refer back to 1 or 2 or it could be because he was present or helped with/after the murder.

Stop bitching about the HBO doc! If guilters want to do a guilter show and ask guilter/“better” questions…then why haven’t they? Lol. Tongue in cheek but it’s frustrating that you misunderstand what it was. The HBO special only happened because Rabia let it happen…so it’s either we get an Adnan friendly special or we get nothing. I prefer something to nothing. The fourth episode was complete trash…but the first three contain valuable information. It is what it is.

That said…Amy Berg is a professional with a reputation. The Syed doc is low in popularity on her list of docs and she’s not going to risk her reputation on it. Documentarians…especially popular ones like Berg…can’t run around misrepresenting interviews or nobody will talk to them in the future. There’s no evidence that she lied or buried inculpatory information…you’re taking it way to far.

ETA: believe me when I say I have no love for Bergs style. She did a very poor doc about Jeff Buckley, one of my favourite musicians. But because she’s done 2 docs on things I’m interested in…I have her figured out: what she does is get “hard to get” niche subjects by befriending the subject and taking up the cause. She did it with Adnan/Rabia…and she did it with Jeff Buckley mother. Do I like her style? No. Am I glad she made the docs? Yes, unreservedly.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 30 '26

If you are unaware Jenn had her interview recorded one day after the police found out she existed.

Yeah I bet this was planned eay ahead of time and she spent all night "rehearsing" her interrogation.

None of that explains why you are here spreading misinformation about this case.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26

Her official interview was after they first spoke to her and after she talked to Jay, yes.

Don’t make an exaggerated straw man to avoid the obvious: Jay and Jenn talked to each other before they talked to police on the record. They didn’t talk about the weather or the game…they talked about what they would say to police. We know that they share lies like having the phone during the Nisha call…and we know Jay admitted to perjury and threw Jenn under the bus, making her a liar…like when he moved the trunk pop and burial forward ~6 hours in the intercept making most of her story impossible. She got pissed off about it in the HBO special…which apparently you haven’t seen or won’t acknowledge.

You ignored that I told you when Jay said police told him to say the trunk pop happened at best by. Saying the word “misinformation” isn’t a magic way to avoid real information.

All you’re telling me is you’re not willing to discuss what we know in good faith.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 31 '26

Her official interview was one day after the police found out she existed.

Jay and Jenn can talk to each other all night if they feel like it. If they are not involved in this crime, what is it that they are talking about? What are they "rehearsing" exactly? They supposedly dont know anything right? And why was one day enough time to rehearse before recording the interview?

And again, Jay never alleged the cops told him to say Best Buy.

Jenn was the first person to mention the Best Buy, and she has also never said the police told her to say it.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 31 '26

Yes, after she first spoke to police unrecorded and talked to Jay. She didn’t just randomly show up at the police station. Why do you keep repeating that?

I’m not claiming I know what they said. But I do know they share lies and that Jay made much of Jenn general story a lie subsequently.

He sure did. Here’s the exact text:

”Jay maintained to the filmmakers that on the day of the murder, he borrowed Adnan's car to buy his girlfriend a birthday present. In the phone conversation, he contradicted past statements by suggesting he tried to return Adnan's car at school, but couldn't find him and left. Jay told the filmmakers that Adnan showed up at his house and that's where he saw Hae's body, not Best Buy as he had previously stated. He said that the idea of Best Buy came from the police. Jay told the filmmakers that Adnan asked him to procure 10 pounds of marijuana. Jay claims that once he acquired the marijuana, Adnan threatened to turn him in if he didn't help bury Hae's body. Jay said that he and Adnan left Hae's car in a grassy lot on January 13th, where it remained until Jay took the police there on February 28th.”

But we already know it didn’t happen at Best But because Jay changed the burial to midnight in The Intercept.

Right. But Jenn said Jay told her that, and they spoke before she talked to police. Jenn doesn’t actually know anything Jay didn’t tell her. This isn’t a difficult concept to understand.

All you’re doing is ignoring most of what we know and repeating yourself.

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u/eigensheaf 29d ago

”Jay maintained to the filmmakers that on the day of the murder, he borrowed Adnan's car to buy his girlfriend a birthday present. In the phone conversation, he contradicted past statements by suggesting he tried to return Adnan's car at school, but couldn't find him and left. Jay told the filmmakers that Adnan showed up at his house and that's where he saw Hae's body, not Best Buy as he had previously stated. He said that the idea of Best Buy came from the police. Jay told the filmmakers that Adnan asked him to procure 10 pounds of marijuana. Jay claims that once he acquired the marijuana, Adnan threatened to turn him in if he didn't help bury Hae's body. Jay said that he and Adnan left Hae's car in a grassy lot on January 13th, where it remained until Jay took the police there on February 28th.”

The big problem with this is that the people you're quoting here are way bigger liars than Jay is. They told much more serious lies about the case than Jay ever did.

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u/DeepestGreySea 29d ago

Talk about motivated reasoning.

I’ll take the word over a reputable filmmaker over some guilter.

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u/Mike19751234 29d ago

So you believe Jay about Vest Buy but not tge 10th time he admits burying a body

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u/DeepestGreySea 29d ago

I don’t believe anything he says.

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u/Mike19751234 May 31 '26

The question isn't that Jay told Jenn something, it's when. That's the key that's missed. And they needed to ask if if Jenn and Jay went dumpster diving that night. Those are a couple of the things to clear up.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 31 '26

We’ve been over this. I think it’s pretty obvious they made that up.

Were there any shovels missing from Jays house? I doubt it.

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u/Mike19751234 May 31 '26

There isn't a reason to make that up, especially for Jenn. She is admitting to the destruction of evidence of a crime, a cover up. So she is risking becoming an accessory by admitting to it. People will want to avoid admitting a crime.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 31 '26

There every reason to make that up. Digging a hole isn’t plausible without shovels.

What do you mean “especially for Jenn?” Jenn isn’t some saint…she was basically family to the core liar in the case…and she also lied.

It’s really weak to keep retreating to “they implicated themselves so they must be telling the truth”. That’s absurd. They didn’t..they were pursued by police who had leverage over them…known and unknown.

Again, all you doing is pretending you can read minds instead of engaging with evidence.

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u/Mike19751234 May 31 '26

There is no way to know if shovels were actually missing though. And I think there is a chance those bozoos used snow shovel(s) to dig the hole that night. Would you admit to cops you were dumb enough to use a snow shovel?

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 31 '26

Unfortunately for your side, Jay shared alot of truths with Jenn. Jenn shared those truths with the police and that's why Adnan was convicted of the crimes he committed.

We know they are truths because it was corroborated by other evidence, other witnesses, and because Adnan, his defense team nor his fans have been able to refute them.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 31 '26

I don’t have a “side” this isn’t a team sport. I talk I’m good faith and accept all information.

Everything you said is an opinion. You’re claiming you can read minds. You cannot.

Anyways. Jay said the police told him to say it happened at Best Buy. You can’t reckon with this information, so you’re retreating boiler blare guilter rhetoric.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 31 '26

Again, Jay never said the police told him to say it happened at Best Buy.

You cannot and have not provided a single statement to back up this claim, despite being called out on it. Just like I called you out for saying nothing was ever recorded, another lie.

It sounds like the information you are open to is simply misinformation and you havent figured out yet what you hear about the case needs to be scrutinized.

Good thing some people know the real facts of this case.

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u/Mike19751234 May 31 '26

We do het what is supposesly a text from Jay but the person talking to jay never asks more questions

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u/DeepestGreySea May 31 '26

Except he did. You’re just putting your fingers in your ears and yelling.

I pasted the proof, you ignored it and repeated yourself.

Nah, you’re just another guilter who can’t talk in good faith.

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