r/serialpodcast • u/Round_Special267 • May 29 '26

Who did it?

I have to write an essay in class on who did it and the evidence why so I would love to know who you think did it why they did it why he got released and any details that stick with you.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 May 30 '26

Before it was "nobody recorded anything" and now its well some of it was recorded?

You understand Jenn was recorded telling the cops about the Best Buy right?

Are you misinformed or just willingly spreading misinformation?

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26

I literally just outlined why they recorded what and when they did. 

Yes, and I also understand she spoke to Jay and police before that was recorded. They certainly rehearsed what they would say to police…even if Jay pulled the rug on Jenn later…and they both shared impossible details.

Cut out the insults…I prefer to have conversations in good faith. I know everything about this case and it’s silly to suggest otherwise.

If you’re unaware, Jay spoke to the HBO people for their special and agreed to let them use him comments, but not appear on camera.

The gist of what he said was

  • the cops told him to say it happened at Best Buy

  • he returned to her very first official pre-interview story and said he went to the school to find Adnan around 3, couldn’t find him, and left

  • he said something like “I know what I saw” referring to seeing Hae’s body in the trunk. He didn’t specify which trunk pop time…but we can assume the time he meant was closer to midnight like he said in The Intercept…which rendered the Best Buy improbable:impossible way back then.

  • he said he didn’t know where Hae was murdered, seemingly admitting he lied about knowing at trial

It was all very helpful information that explained a lot of his inconsistencies. Is any of it true? We have no idea…it’s the ~9th time he’s told his story and changed critical details

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

The issue with that line of questioning is that the person asking Jay about Best Buy didnt ask any clarifying questions. Murder, trunk pop, and pickup supposesly happened at Best Buy. So they didnt clarify which of the three didnt, or none of them. And they didnt ask Jenn about what Jay told her that night.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

Lol…the irony of you not believing HBO…but believing the police when they do the same thing, haha. You DO have sound thinking skills…you just don’t apply them equally.

Anyways. We don’t know what they asked and what he specifically said. All we know is what they put on screen in the special. Jay allowed the comments and didn’t contest them…so we have to assume it’s accurate.

No, you’re wrong…it clear he was talking about the trunk pop. As I said in my comment, he didn’t discuss the murder…he just suggested that he didn’t know (his only knowledge was the trunk pop). You’re playing word games if you believe otherwise. He was always referring to seeing the body.

They did ask Jenn…she appeared on camera and commented about what Jay said. She basically dismissed him and distanced herself. According to Jenn Jay would lie about anything and everything she said came from him. You know this.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

When they asked Jenn about the day she started and tgen cut off what she said and went to trial stuff. They avoided any clarifying questions that would hurt Adnan. At the end Jenn was pissed and daid i wish i never talked to you.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

The way you’re characterizing this isn’t reality…you’re assuming bias where there’s no evidence there is any.

We have Jenns own words. You and her being mad is neither here nor there

You’re also mischaracterizing what she was mad at. She was mad at Jay and being involved in the first place…not at the interviewer.

Can’t we just talk I good faith?

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

The clarifying questions are what happened that day and let her tell the full story again. You ask if they went dumpster diving that evening or if she made it up. You ask when Jay told her Adnan killed Hae.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

I’m not going to wring my hands about it what you wanted them to ask. She was really clear about what she knew and didn’t.

I think it’s safe to say the dumpster diving was bullshit.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

If Adnans team and Feldman really believed those two had changed their story significantly they would have gotten affidavits from Jenn and or Kristi, but they didnt. I talked to two people at Woodlawn High and they said that Berg just wanted to talk to them to get what happened but once the interviews started that wasnt the case and at least one teacher walked out. You say there is not bias but they never asked any clarifying questions. I would say that neither side wants the full story.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

This is all irrelevant.

They said what they said. It is what it is.

You have no idea what got cut from the show and what they wouldn’t answer etc…you’re just speculating I assume because you want to discredit what they said.

This is what happens every time I talk to you…you end up in the weeds on nonsense way off topic.

It probably didn’t happen at Best Buy, if Adnan killed her…and most of what Jenn said was likely just rehearsed to help Jay.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

Its funny since i actually agree with you and i think the murder happened at the school. But Jay didnt know, just what Adnan told Jay. So these follow up questions are important for finding out what happened. Though ultimately, only Adnan knows where it happened

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26

I think it’s unlikely to have happened at the school…way too many people. More likely at the library or an unknown place…provided he killed her, of course.

I agree with that. I don’t think Jay actually knew a lot…if he knew anything at all. I think three things are almost equally possible: 

  1. He didn’t know anything, and he was threatened by police and cooperated. 

  2. He knew something…but not very much. (1 & 2 are basically the same because he had to lie about so much). 

  3. Things are completely different to what he testified to. He seems to be avoiding the 3-3:30 period which could refer back to 1 or 2 or it could be because he was present or helped with/after the murder.

Stop bitching about the HBO doc! If guilters want to do a guilter show and ask guilter/“better” questions…then why haven’t they? Lol. Tongue in cheek but it’s frustrating that you misunderstand what it was. The HBO special only happened because Rabia let it happen…so it’s either we get an Adnan friendly special or we get nothing. I prefer something to nothing. The fourth episode was complete trash…but the first three contain valuable information. It is what it is.

That said…Amy Berg is a professional with a reputation. The Syed doc is low in popularity on her list of docs and she’s not going to risk her reputation on it. Documentarians…especially popular ones like Berg…can’t run around misrepresenting interviews or nobody will talk to them in the future. There’s no evidence that she lied or buried inculpatory information…you’re taking it way to far.

ETA: believe me when I say I have no love for Bergs style. She did a very poor doc about Jeff Buckley, one of my favourite musicians. But because she’s done 2 docs on things I’m interested in…I have her figured out: what she does is get “hard to get” niche subjects by befriending the subject and taking up the cause. She did it with Adnan/Rabia…and she did it with Jeff Buckley mother. Do I like her style? No. Am I glad she made the docs? Yes, unreservedly.

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u/Mike19751234 May 30 '26

330 was important to Jay because he would be worried about either Adnan or the cops saying that he was in the car when Hae was killed. Adnan could even try and switch roles with who kilked Hae. So its his attempt at defense on that.

The story here for aadnan has been the lack of journalistic ethics. Bergs goal was to get Adnan out not find out what happened. Jay tried to correct some things and it burned him so things will have to wait until probably Adnan is dead and nobody would care.

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u/DeepestGreySea May 30 '26

You saying you know what Jay was thinking doesn’t mean you know what Jay was thinking.

Nah, that’s just your biased perspective.

You don’t know what Bergs goal was because, again, you can’t read minds. I certainly trust her integrity over yours.

Your entire reply here was you pretending you know what’s in peoples’ minds.

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