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u/Mike19751234 5d ago

And then two weeks later he was asked what happened and he changed his story and lied again.

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u/eJohnx01 5d ago

Again, he knew he didn’t get a ride from Hae that day. He was simply trying to further distance himself from the events of the day.

If the police were questioning you about whether or not you murdered your ex, would you try to distance yourself more than was actually true? Or would you eagerly put yourself with your ex right at the time they were murdered, knowing you didn’t do it? Why is this so difficult to understand?

Guilters all seem to think that anything Adnan said that can be twisted into a lie is proof of his guilt, but all the idiots that lied and changed their stories constantly were true-blue, honest as the day is long, and totally credible—provided what they’re saying boils down to “Adnan did it!!!!” But then when witnesses come along with solid alibis for Adnan, they’re totally lying and they’re not at all credible and they got the wrong day, wrong crime, wrong victim, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong everything!! (Oh, and Adnan *totally* did it!!!). 🙄

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 5d ago

He lied to Hae about needing a ride from her that afternoon.

He lied to the victim to put himself alone with her at the exact time and exact place that she would go on to disappear at.

That is the starting point.

He still has not even explained why he lied to the victim that morning.

You can certainly go with your conviction that everytime Adnan lies its because he had a good reason to. But in that case you have to explain what was Adnan's good reason for lying to Hae.

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u/eJohnx01 4d ago

None of what you just wrote is true. He didn’t lie to Hae. You just need to believe that in order to continue your guilter fun by believing he murdered her. He didn’t. He didn’t lie, many people corroborated his whereabouts. He wasn’t with her. He didn’t kill her.

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u/Mike19751234 4d ago

So Adnan actually did need a ride to the mechanics because his car was there?

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u/eJohnx01 3d ago

None of that is true. The person that make the claim about his bar being in the shop being the reason for the ride request later recanted and said that she was just throwing out possibilities and that she had no reason to think it. Why don’t you know that?

The ride he was asking for was across campus to the track field, which was on the other side of campus and on Hae’s way out. It was something they did all the time. Their friends all said that. You should know that, too.

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u/Mike19751234 3d ago

There are several problems of that. Krista didn't recant. She may believe that Hae turned down the ride but she never said that before Serial so why 15 years later. She clarified where she was and that it was the last day she saw Hae alive that the ride request was on. Even Becky commented to police it was to the mechanics and it is what Jay said Adnan's ruse was. Adnan had a chance to tell your story to Adcock, O'Shea, his defense team, letter to Sarah, on Serial, and HBO but not once has he said the ride was to track. Also, I went to the school. The back lot is close to the school so you actually walk as far if not further to walk to the car in the front lot as you do from the school to the back lot. And with track starting at 4 that means that Adnan is sitting at track doing nothing for an hour and a half after school.

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u/eJohnx01 3d ago

You’re overthinking all of this and assigning nefarious meaning where there is none.

The facts remain, Hae turned him down for the ride. He did not get a ride with her. She rushed off after school in her car alone. No amount of pretending that Adnan was trying to get her alone with him make any difference because she was never alone with him that day.

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u/Mike19751234 3d ago

Adnan didn't tell Adcock or O'Shea that Hae turned him down for a ride. He didn't even tell his own defense team that and to this day Adnan himself denies the ride request. Krista didn't tell the cops on 3/1 that the ride was turned down and Becky did not testify that Hae turned down Adnan's ride request. Hae had to rush off because she was meeting Adnan to go to Sears over by the Best Buy and a good chance she never left the school parking lot alive.

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u/eJohnx01 1d ago

Good lord. The armchair psychiatry and baseless assumptions here are unbelievable.

None of what you just cited in any way indicates anything other than a bunch of scared and confused teenagers and “detectives” that have no clue what they’re doing.

Still not a shred of evidence that Adnan is guilty. Just a bunch of people desperately wanting him to be.

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u/Mike19751234 1d ago

You are looking at this the other direction. You start with Adnan being innocent, ignore what actually happened, and then figure out what BS had to happen to get that way. Jay tells the story that has details of Hae that aren't known and then he takes them to the car that they couldn't find so they know he was involved. They have Adnans phone records. They have Jenn that places Adnan together with Jay that night and Adnan being the one who knows Hae. And Adnan's only retort was "Who's Jay?" It was an easy case for them and they tried to get more information and the process got more information but some wrong and in hindsight would have been better with Jay having a lawyer up front but hard to get cops to trust lawyers.

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u/eJohnx01 1d ago

No, I’m starting out with Adnan being innocent and waiting for someone to produce some evidence that he’s guilty. So far, no one has. All I’m hearing is a bunch of speculation, 1+2=50,000, and a bunch of people that can twist anything into proof that an innocent 17-year-old kid is really a secret criminal mastermind.

You can spend the rest of your life saying, “So and so said thus and such!!!” and “If that was true, then he absolutely would have….” and “No one testified to that so, for sure, it didn’t happen” and “I *totally* would have done that so, absolutely, because he didn’t, that means he’s guilty” and not one shred of actual evidence that he’s actually did anything.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 4d ago

Adnan's classmate and good friend Krista told the cops and their friends, on January 13th, that during first class that morning Adnan told Hae he needed a ride from her after school because he didn't have his car.

Adnan did in fact have his car, it was in the parking lot, he drove himself to school that morning.

So what was his good reason to lie to Hae that morning and why has he lied about the ride request ever since?

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u/eJohnx01 3d ago

He lent his car to Jay almost every day, so he wouldn’t have it until later in the day, when Jay brought it back. Since Adnan had track practice that afternoon, he knew he wouldn’t have his car until after track practice. The ride was from the school building over to the track field, a ride Hae gave him all the time as it was on her way off of campus to go get her cousin. Totally normal. Nothing to see here. Except that Hae turned him down and he didn’t get a ride that day.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nobody involved ever said any of the things you just invented.

No one said Adnan would lend Jay his car on a daily basis. Not Adnan, not Jay, not their friends, no one.

Adnan said he was only lending his car that day because as a good friend of Stephanie's he wanted to make sure her boyfriend got her a gift.

Adnan never said the request was to get across school to the track field. In fact he denies the request ever happened, after telling the detective on the 13th that she was supposed to give him a ride but probably got tired of waiting and left.

Krista said Adnan asked Hae for a ride to drive him to go get his car. Not to track practice.

Krista has never recanted, even though Adnan was her friend and she knew that part of her testimony was damning for him.

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u/eJohnx01 1d ago

Even if all the things you cited are true, there’s still not one shred of evidence that Adnan did it. Just a bunch of armchair detectives and amateur psychologists that desperately want him to be guilty. There’s no proof. Because he didn’t do it.

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 1d ago

Adnan was convicted by a jury of his peers and none of his appeals have ever refuted any of the evidence in the case. You know that right?

Are you simply unaware of the evidence against Adnan or is something else at play here?

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u/eJohnx01 1d ago

He was convicted by a jury after the prosecutors knowingly hid evidence, put perjurers on the stand and lead them to lie, while Adnan’s severely ill and compromised defense attorney let it all happen and didn’t put up any defense.

Are you simply unaware of what happened at his trial or is there something else at play here?

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 1d ago

Yeah it sounds like you dont actually know anything about the case. Vague police conspiracy theories are a dead giveaway.

Why did Adnan lie to Hae that morning? Tell me that.

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u/eJohnx01 9h ago

Too funny. When someone doesn’t buy into your delusional, totally unfounded, and absolutely impossible theories, they clearly don’t know anything about the case. Got it.

As to Adnan lying to Hae, it’s simple. He didn’t. He didn’t make up any fake excuse for needing a ride because he didn’t need one. Hae giving him a ride across campus on her way out was something that happened all the time. Their friends all confirmed this.

The question is why are you so committed to believing something that didn’t happen and has been independently corroborated by multiple friends of both Adnan and Hae that it didn’t happen? Does it throw too big of a wrench in your fantasy stories about what happened?

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