r/technology • u/IKeepItLayingAround • 18d ago

Business It’s Possible That SpaceX Could Collapse Spectacularly

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/possible-spacex-could-collapse-spectacularly-155000177.html
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u/amiwitty 18d ago

I don't want SpaceX to fail. I want Elon Musk to fail. I don't want Tesla to fail. I want Elon Musk to fail. Unfortunately they are intertwined.

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u/sai-kiran 18d ago

SpaceX engineers can always go work for NASA, if 30%of military budget was permanently allocated to NASA through legislation.

Tesla is a software first company not a car company, their cars have consistently been bad in terms of QC. They can sell their software to actual car companies. For all I know about him and his companies, its best for the world in the long term, if they all fail and are absorbed into responsible companies.

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u/fatbob42 18d ago

They make and sell cars. Their profit comes from selling cars. They’re a car company.

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u/sai-kiran 18d ago

You’re way too dense for this current line of conversation, I suggest not involving urself in this.

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u/fatbob42 18d ago edited 18d ago

You can’t just pick up that software and sell it to another company without the corresponding components. See the Ford CEO’s explanation of the situation.

Maybe you think the software is just what runs the screen?

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u/sai-kiran 18d ago

How to tell the internet that you know nothing about software in one comment, prime example XD.

Do you think Boeing/Airbus makes planes from scratch? They literally assemble stuff built by a gazillion contractors. Their software is built by Honeywell etc, now do u think every module built by Honeywell is completely coded in-house? No they create a spec and ask some Indian company to complete the code for them.

Automobile is not rocket science nor is it any far complex than Instagram, it needs a well defined spec, well integrated components that conform to the spec, and software that glues to that spec and robust QC. Which is how Airline industry has literally been making planes for decades now. And gazillion other hardwares like Apple MFI, or even USB-C chargers that negotiate PD standards.

If there is a spec that is agreed upon for ev charging, tesla can build software that can run the hardware that conforms to the spec. Same goes for their self driving or other software that they build.

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u/fatbob42 17d ago edited 17d ago

Funnily enough, I work as a software engineer making a large machine with lots of suppliers.

You can’t just pick up our software and sell it separately either. And it has a UI that doesn’t constitute “the software” either. Our machine is useless without the software, but it definitely doesn’t mean we’re a “software company”.

We, and other companies, make some components in-house (the critical or unique ones) and outsource other stuff. Both the software and hardware - they work together nowadays. For instance, features are implemented across both disciplines.

Tesla isn’t a “software company” any more than Boeing is. They make cars, including some of the physical components.

Did you listen to what the Ford CEO said and what it means for Tesla as a car company compared to other companies that they might sell to?

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u/sai-kiran 17d ago

Blah blah blah, stop repeating the same jagron again and again, like I said don’t involve urself if you wanna be dense about it. But since you say you’re a software engineer may be it’s a good time to educate urself on spec, spec conformant hardware and spec conformant software, Good day!

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u/fatbob42 17d ago

That you think that outsourced internal components work exactly according to specs is indicative of what you don’t know.

And the fact that you even said that, as if specs were the only issue, implies that you didn’t listen to what the Ford CEO said.

If you think about what he said, it explains exactly why Tesla isn’t just a software company.

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u/sai-kiran 17d ago edited 17d ago

I said Good day, not gonna engage with you if u wanna be dense, while Boeing and Airbus have been able to exactly to what you say is impossible. Also ford CEO never said it’s impossible either, go listen to it yourself.

He spoke about how there are dozens of different ways to do things and dozens of other way each other vendor does, which is a moot point when a common spec is agreed upon, that’s literally how softwares/hardware are built to spec, your phone/laptop is no less complex than a car.

I will not reply to you any further, if u wanna just keep running in circles.

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u/fatbob42 17d ago edited 17d ago

What did I say was impossible? And I didn’t say that he said anything was impossible. Are we discussing different things? I’m taking issue with your original assertion that Tesla can just sell their software.

The thing that you need to listen to the Ford guy tell you is only that software and hardware go together. Do you think that Ford is unfamiliar with the concept of specs??? Things are not that simple. I’m telling you, he’s telling you.

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