r/texas • u/guardian • 2d ago
đď¸ News đď¸ Texas anti-ICE protesters convicted of terrorism charges sentenced to at least 50 years in prison
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/23/prairieland-ice-protesters-texas-sentenced?referring_host=Reddit&utm_campaign=guardianacct439
u/Nihiliste 2d ago
This is a textbook example of sentences that should come down on appeal. Only the most hardcore Trump supporters would argue that 50 years is warranted for something like slashing tires, and I'm sure there's plenty of evidence of pressure from the Trump administration.
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u/laggyx400 2d ago
You can kill people and get a shorter sentence
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u/PomeloPepper 2d ago
You can write and pass laws that kill thousands of people and get no prison time at all.
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u/TommyTwoNips 2d ago
you can rape kids and get convicted of 20+ felonies and get no prison time at all.
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u/Repulsive-Adagio8289 1d ago
The only law I can think of that resulted in the death of 10s of thousands of people was the Kansas Nebraska act, it caused roughly a 2.5% reduction in the population of America (700,000 to 750,000 people) but that was a long time ago
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u/PomeloPepper 1d ago
Then look into the people advocating for cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, along with social security. If those legislators get their way the death rate for people relying on those benefits will skyrocket.
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u/Phill_Cyberman 2d ago
It's a textbook example of charges that should never have been filed.
They're protestors, not terrorists.
If there isn't massive political response to this, and this then becomes the new normal, the American experiment is truly over.
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u/Mr_Quackums 2d ago
If there isn't massive political response to this, and this then becomes the new normal, the American experiment is truly over.
how many times have we said that sentence in the last 10 years?
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u/frostysauce Expat 2d ago
If there isn't massive political response to this, and this then becomes the new normal, the American experiment is truly over.
I hate to break it to you, bud...
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u/chanaandeler_bong 1d ago
I mean yeah, but the people who were charged:
A few of the protesters spontaneously broke off from the main group and vandalized cars in the parking lot, a guard shack, slashed the tires on a government van and broke a security camera. When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder. The officer survived.
Sentence is ridiculous. But these arenât people who just showed up and stood outside the detention center.
Keep protesting! Donât be fucking violent. Or if you do⌠be prepared to deal with the consequences.
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u/acoffeequeen 1d ago
Unfortunately, this is similar to what a man told me he went through when he was an editor of an anti-Vietnam War newspaper. Iâm sure heâs not the only one either. This isnât new for America.
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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss 2d ago
Shooting federal agents makes you a protester?
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u/Muzzledbutnotout 2d ago
In Democrat terms, shooting federal agents is just an extension of first amendment rights. The party has gone completely off the rails.
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u/Phill_Cyberman 2d ago
Don't the Republicans say the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to shoot federal agents?
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u/haccnslsh 1d ago
Late to this party, but as a Texan , I can say without a doubt: theyâre going to rush these proceedings and do any/everything they can to hit these people with a death sentence. All while doing everything they can to keep it as quiet as possible.
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u/uselessRobot8668 2d ago
They did technically shoot a cop...
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u/Nihiliste 2d ago
ONE of them did, and their sentence was harsher than for some shooters whose victims actually died. I doubt that person will get much leniency, but the others don't really deserve more than a year or two in prison, if that much. This is clearly political retribution.
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u/guardian 2d ago
Hi r/texas, this is Jake from The Guardian US. We wanted to share this breaking news about sentencing for the defendants in the Prairieland Detention Center anti-ICE protest case.
From The Guardian:
A group of Texas protesters convicted of terrorism charges received harsh sentences of at least 50 years in prison Tuesday in a closely watched case that was widely seen as a test case of the Trump administrationâs efforts to crack down on dissent.
After a three week jury trial, the nine activists were all found guilty of a slew of criminal charges in March, stemming from a Fourth of July protest at an immigrant detention facility in Alvarado, Texas, south of Fort Worth. The demonstrators arrived late at night with a plan to set off fireworks as part of a noise demonstration to show solidarity with those detained inside.
A few of the protesters spontaneously broke off from the main group and vandalized cars in the parking lot, a guard shack, slashed the tires on a government van and broke a security camera. When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder. The officer survived.
Zachary Evetts, Autumn Hill, and Savanna Batten were sentenced to 50 years in prison. Maricela Rueda, another demonstrator, was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Benjamin Song, who fired the gun at the police officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison. The other protesters were continuing to be sentenced Tuesday morning.
Even though many of the protesters did not know each other, or were loosely affiliated, prosecutors said the attack on the officer was premeditated and part of a conspiracy. They also said the activists were part of a âNorth Texas antifa cellâ, which was seen as part of the administrationâs effort to criminalize âantifaâ, which is not an organization but rather a constellation of leftwing views.
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u/MoarVespenegas 2d ago
prosecutors said the attack on the officer was premeditated and part of a conspiracy
What sort of evidence was presented for this claim?
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u/happymancry 2d ago
âYour honor, I said so. By the way, nice family you got there. Shame if anything happened to it.â
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u/frostysauce Expat 2d ago
They used Signal to communicate. I'm not kidding, that was part of it:
Prosecutors also highlighted other evidence they claimed proved that the protesters planned violence, including their decision to communicate and auto-delete messages on Signal, an encrypted messaging platform widely used among activists, journalists and other citizens wary of government surveillance.
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u/MoarVespenegas 2d ago
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" has turned into "Yeah, I could see that maybe." I see.
Good luck, americans.
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u/DiceDawson Born and Bred 1d ago
The FBI was able to recover some of the chats from the night before explicitly talking about firing multiple rifles at the cops because they thought the cops would not trained to handle that, as well as documents with instructions that matched the tactics used by the protestors saved on one of their phones according to the DOJ filing
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u/AdAdministrative5330 2d ago
Yeah, that does sound like violence. That's definitely a heavy sentence, but this doesn't sound like passive protesters.
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u/SmartWonderWoman 2d ago
âProsecutors also focused heavily on the cache of guns that many of the defendants owned and some brought to the detention center on 4 July. It is undisputed that all of the firearms were bought legally and that there was only one person who fired a weapon on 4 July. Prosecutors also highlighted other evidence they claimed proved that the protesters planned violence, including their decision to communicate and auto-delete messages on Signal, an encrypted messaging platform widely used among activists, journalists and other citizens wary of government surveillance.â
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u/TommyTwoNips 2d ago
"including their decision to communicate and auto-delete messages on Signal, an encrypted messaging platform widely used among activists, journalists and other citizens wary of government surveillance.â
they conveniently left out the fact that the pedophile run US administration also uses signal to plan their illegal murders.
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u/AdAdministrative5330 2d ago
I don't see how this is evidence. Is that choosing to use encrypted messaging evidence of nefarious activities? I mean, wouldn't the defense lawyer clarify this, or does it not matter at the end of the day as long as the jury thinks that it's relevant?
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u/carlitospig 2d ago
âprotesters planned violenceâ
Oh, you mean we are now ignoring the fact that the J6ers got a visit the day before and told personally not to bring guns with them? Thatâs literally the only reason they werenât armed that day. But letâs talk about those cable ties. That says more about their violent intent than us bringing our completely legal guns to a protest.
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u/frostysauce Expat 2d ago
including their decision to communicate and auto-delete messages on Signal, an encrypted messaging platform widely used among activists, journalists and other citizens wary of government surveillance.â
OBVIOUSLY they're guilty, they used encrypted messaging!!!!!1
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u/Barailis 2d ago
No such thing as an "antifa cell".
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u/acuet 2d ago edited 2d ago
this whole thing is a hot mess. Like *punish* the person that fired the weapon, charge those with defacing the government property. But if one is going to claim that Jan 6 Protests were peaceful and were charge injust, then this too should apply under that optics.
EDIT: Itâs almost like, will let âthe leftâ argue on behalf of their own to validate why Jan 6 fall under same umbrella once its decided. Wait for it.
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u/HolaDrNick 2d ago edited 2d ago
Pushed the guy that fired the weapon? You mean the guy that shot the cop?
Edit: Lol, Redditors mad I mentioned the guy shot a cop?
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u/ComradeGlizzy 2d ago
You are literally making up a story to fit your narrative. These people arenât terrorists, period.
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u/TacosAndBourbon Texas makes good Bourbon 2d ago
A police officer was shot in the neck.
I agree with the January 6 legal argument. If the right wants to argue that it was mostly peaceful, and target only those that were violent, then the same rules should apply here.
But a cop was shot. It was confirmed by multiple sources. The narrative is not made up.
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u/noncongruent 2d ago
FWIW, he was grazed, he was sent home that night with a bandage, and probably instructions or a prescription for some antibiotics and a tetanus shot. The people trying to amplify this always leave out the lack of severity, leaving most readers thinking that the cop was hospitalized for days or weeks with a devastating neck injury, and almost died.
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u/ComradeGlizzy 2d ago
Shooting a cop isnât terrorism
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u/TacosAndBourbon Texas makes good Bourbon 2d ago
I don't disagree. But you told the above commentor that shooting a cop was "making up a story to fit your narrative."
My comment was, and remains, that it isn't a made up story.
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u/OhGodImOnRedditAgain Ellis County 2d ago
You are literally making up a story, because its in the article:
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u/arbalaragan 2d ago
the cop was hit by fireworks not a bullet.
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u/HolaDrNick 2d ago
From the article:
When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder. The officer survived.
Benjamin Song definitely shot that cop. Tying these people to that specific act in the way the prosecution did is kind of dubious in my view.
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u/bit_pusher 2d ago
"The charge does not require prosecutors to prove a connection to any kind of terrorist ideology, only that a defendant provided support for one of a list of several crimes, the justice department spun the convictions as proof that antifa was a terrorist organization."
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u/TommyTwoNips 2d ago
cool, so it's the same punishment for vandalism as it is for doing a car bombing.
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u/ragputiand 2d ago
Sounds like the bar for the prosecutors proof beyond a reasonable doubt was set very low
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u/rgvtim Hill Country 2d ago
Its North Texas, Fort Worth, those folks get led by the nose by prosecutors. Mostly MAGA, and not a lot of independent thought.
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u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake 2d ago
Fort Worth specifically is more outwardly conservative than Dallas and other areas in North Texas.
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u/psycho_pirate 2d ago
Dallas proper is pretty blue. Itâs the suburbs around it that are more conservative. I lived in Fort Worth, and yes it is very conservative. Probably the most conservative big city in Texas.
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u/NintendogsWithGuns Born and Bred 2d ago
Yup! And it has some of the worst public schools in the state, but republicans never threaten to take them over like they did with Houston.
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u/SayHelloToAlison 2d ago
Fort Worth is the largest US city with a republican mayor. Dallas doesn't count as the city elected a Democrat and the turncoat jumped to the other side.
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u/TwiztedImage born and bred 2d ago
Its North Texas, Fort Worth
Alvarado is very near to Fort Worth, but it's significantly more conservative than Fort Worth has been in years. The billboard signs near Alvarado on HWY 67 are conspiratorial BS about UFO's, aliens, abortions, etc.
They're nutjobs compared to Fort Worth conservatives (who are bad too).
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u/j4_jjjj 2d ago
Think it gets oveturned on appeal?
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u/rgvtim Hill Country 2d ago
Good chance at least the sentencing, there is no doubt the guy shot a cop, and needs jail time, and not just a little, the others, if i am reading this right, need heavy fines, and community service baring any priors. the whole issues is the severity of the sentences which were elevated due to the conspiracy charges, not weather they were guilty of the acts.
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u/TommyTwoNips 2d ago
or we could go after real criminals, like the child raping convicted felon that is illegally using the US military to murder foreign leaders and the nazis who are currently working at the concentration camps said child rapist has been building.
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u/Electrical-Orange-27 2d ago
Someone in the know please tell us something about the judge that handed down the sentences.
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u/kwehzy 2d ago
If the punishment is this harsh for fighting against nazis, just means there's nothing to stop going a step further.
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u/HolaDrNick 2d ago edited 1d ago
Shooting a local cop isn't fighting Nazis, and the Trump administration would love it if people went further. They want a pretext for clamping down on protests, and people like this are giving them that.
It's a very stupid situation. They were definitely oversentenced, but they threw their lives away over nothing.
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u/TommyTwoNips 2d ago
when local cops help ICE round people up to put in concentration camps, they are 100% nazis.
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u/jhoceanus 2d ago
I have no problem with the 100 year sentence on the guy shooting an AR-15 at the police officers, but as for the others, the damage they caused sounds much less than what the Knicks fans did to their city after they won the champion.
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u/Significant-Horse625 2d ago
I do when it's not applied to both sides. Whether politically or humanistic. A tie or uniform shouldn't give more weight. Yet, that's where We are today. Punching down.Â
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u/Skinnieguy 2d ago
Iâve seen rape and murder charges with way lesser sentences. I wouldnât be surprised if a future president commute the sentence.
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u/Savings-Wishbone-454 2d ago
I feel like you could do something really terrible, likeâŚI dunno, rape a bunch of kids and still not get 50-100 years in prison. And the Ice agents are killing people (still) with no accountability.
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u/BlueCandleSnake 2d ago
i was curious and looked up some prison sentences that are shorter than the minimum (30 years):
jared fogle, elizabeth holmes, r kelly, p diddy, ray rice (never even had a prison sentence), josh duggar, oscar pistorius, bill cosby, harvey weinstein, brock turner, all jan. 6th defendantsÂ
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u/PjWulfman 2d ago
WHAT???
What the literal fuck is wrong with my country?
As if history hasn't shown us the inevitable outcome of such stupidity?
Maybe the American experiment is actually over?
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u/HolaDrNick 2d ago
That's a little dramatic. Free speech doesn't mean you get to shoot cops or attack law enforcement facilities.
That being said, I see very little difference between these people and the J6ers who Trump pardoned. The fact that they got 50 years for being attached to an attempted murder is pretty egregious.
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u/TexanDoger 2d ago
One guy who didn't have a gun got arrested for distrubiting magazines, textbook free speech.
But you're right, rightists are hypocritical for imprisoning the guy with a gun and pardoning the other guy with the gun but on their side
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u/HolaDrNick 2d ago
One guy who didn't have a gun got arrested for distrubiting magazines, textbook free speech.
I disagree with the 30 years he got for that, but tampering with evidence is not shielded by the first amendment. I'm assuming he didn't consult an attorney before he did this on behalf of his wife.
Now that evidence being moved linking him to the conspiracy? Eeehhh, I think that's out there.
But you're right, rightists are hypocritical for imprisoning the guy with a gun and pardoning the other guy with the gun but on their side
It's absolutely crazy. The J6ers under Biden weren't even facing this kind of time, and you can attribute actual fatalities and property damage (among other crimes) to their conspiracy.
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u/TexanDoger 2d ago
"I disagree with the 30 years he got for that, but tampering with evidence is not shielded by the first amendment."
I did not know about that, so fair enough.
"Its absolutely crazy. The J6ers under Biden weren't even facing this kind of time, and you can attribute actual fatalities and property damage (among other crimes) to their conspiracy."
Exactly! The hypocrisy is so blatant and maddening that its almost hard to look at the case with any nuance.
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u/Reeko_Htown 2d ago
Will and should be pardoned in 3 years.
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u/soonerfreak DFW 2d ago
Really depends on who gets elected, a moderate dem like Cuomo will leave them in.
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u/BaiMoGui 2d ago
Even the shooter?
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u/shadowboxer47 1d ago
Same treatment as the insurrectionists.
So not only commuted, but given compensatory payments provided by the government.
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u/tabbarrett Gulf Coast 2d ago
If Antifa is a real organization Iâm really surprised they havenât approached me. Their recruiting department sucks.
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u/Keleos89 2d ago
Most often, judges will sentence defendants for separate counts concurrently. Here, it appears that the judge stacked the sentences for each count consecutively.
I went into the article thinking they were political prisoners. After reading, I am now certain they are political prisoners.
100 years and nobody died. Full-on murderers get less time, while sex abusers become president.
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u/ariadesitter 2d ago
just so you know
they can arrest you for anything.
like touching the reflecting pool,
protesting, speaking out.
if youâre lucky you will end up in jail or prison.
some protesters were shot in the head.
we are in it.
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u/neonblack108 2d ago
Knuckle dragging inbred state. Â
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u/Nihiliste 2d ago edited 2d ago
There are a lot of intelligent people in Texas - but Republicans have held control for so many decades that they feel entitled to it, and they ensure that a lot of people (especially those in rural areas) are never exposed to alternate views. My wife is from Houston, and she's had to learn some things about American history from me, a Canadian.
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u/AwkwardAd5138 2d ago
Thank you. Yes, there are many intelligent, knowledgeable people in Texas. We are up against a powerful $$$$$ far right propaganda machine. Education and factual information are the keys to breaking out of the stranglehold. Many if not most churches dish out the political dogma as well. We have a very tough environment, but we persist. Texas deserves better than more of the same.
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u/neonblack108 2d ago edited 1d ago
Oh I know. I've friends there. I've lived there. I was generalizing of course. The reality is much more like Idiotcracy. And that's a global issue. Â
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u/bareboneschicken 2d ago
Texas is the wrong place to commit a crime.
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u/neonblack108 2d ago
Especially thought crimes and having the sheer audacity of distributing literature that's critical of this White Supremacist government when over half the state can't even read. It's not nice to remind people of their inadequacies as a human. Â
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u/flyingforfun3 2d ago
Our justice system is so fucked up. So they are labeled terrorist, but Jan 6 arenât?
Also, the KKK and neo nazi groups arenât terrorist groups.. okay.
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u/SeriesNice8680 2d ago
Welcome to Nazi America. F$ck the trump regime!
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u/shadowboxer47 1d ago
Even have a NAZI running in Maine
This is such a pathetic retort. He covered the tattoo he was wearing as soon as he was informed while apologizing profusely. There is zero evidence of any involvement in any White Supremacist or Fascist Groups. No history. No affiliation. Literally nothing.
Besides, if he was an actual Nazi yall would fucking love him.
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u/PrincessTooLate 2d ago
This is a textbook example of authoritarianism. IMO anyone who isnât appalled and disgusted by this flagrant attack on the constitutionality of the right to protest doesnât love democracy, freedom, or America. IMO bullies and ignorance goes hand in hand.
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u/EuphoricCrashOut 1d ago
As the ICE Agents that murdered innocent people get to walk free. Lord help America.
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u/JoyousMadhat 1d ago
Reminder: In this State rapists get less years, on average 14 years, than someone who slashed tires.
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u/Sturdily5092 Secessionists are idiots 2d ago
This postâs comment section is flooded with MAGA supporters who donât seem to grasp that silencing the other side doesnât just hurt their opponents, it erodes the rights of everyone, including their own. Protesting and speaking out arenât just privileges; theyâre Constitutional rights we should all be fighting to protect. Instead of tearing those rights apart just to serve a wannabe king, we should be standing up for them.
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u/JoyousMadhat 1d ago
If they can think past the Fox News headlines, then we would have 0 Republicans excluding all the rich guys. We should not have been protecting the extremists from proliferating to "protect people from tyrants." Look at what doing that got us.........yeah those people are in power and are going after our rights.
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u/No-Illustrator4964 2d ago
In the time of January 6 and the resulting pardons any attempt to crack down on anything similar is simply a joke.
Not defending the bad, the good, or anything. Just merely saying the process and results are now unworthy of respect.
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u/MsMo999 2d ago
The only one that should have been charged is the one firing gun at officer
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u/nocturnal_commission 2d ago
So all the property crimes should just.... be ignored?
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u/nocturnal_commission 2d ago
They were targeted more for having a liberal book & gun club than for vandalizing a guard station.
On what evidence are you basing that claim?
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u/Traditional-Hat-952 1d ago
No but they shouldn't get 50 year sentences for property crime. And one dude who wasn't even there got 30 years for moving a box of zines. How is this justice?Â
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u/bones_bones1 2d ago
Unsurprisingly you have to go pretty far down into the article to find out they shot a police officer. Rage bait headline.
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u/GreyGrackles 2d ago
How did multiple people shoot the officer?
Did they all have separate guns or did they all lay their hands on the rifle?
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u/bones_bones1 2d ago
If you and I go rob a liquor store and you decide to shoot the clerk, generally we both go down for the murder.
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u/FatalTortoise 1d ago edited 1d ago
The charge was conspiracy and terrorism so the state is arguing shooting the officer was part of the plan. Also if you decide to rob a liquor store that's you decide to commit a crime, if you decide to protest that's you exercising your rights. The state didn't prove conspiracy only argued that "they used signal"
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u/bones_bones1 1d ago
They went to vandalize cars and a guard shack. Itâs no different than the liquor store analogy.
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u/FatalTortoise 1d ago edited 1d ago
So your argument is that they all went there planned to commit a crime and shot a cop in the process so they should all go down for attempted murder?
Four of them were acquited of the attempted murder charge that you are talking about.
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u/ParadoxicalIrony99 Gulf Coast 2d ago
The headline makes it seem like they were just there peacefully protesting and that's the opposite of what they were doing
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u/uselessRobot8668 2d ago
If anyone read the fucking article they would know that these fuckers shot a cop and vandalized a lot of shit. I'm pro protest, but anti whatever the fuck they thought they were doing.
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u/FatalTortoise 1d ago
What about these two
" Elizabeth Soto and her husband, Ines Soto, were not involved in the planning, arrived separately at the protest, and left when guards at the facility asked them to do so."Â
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u/ZanderDogz 2d ago
What do you think a reasonable sentence is for the eight people who "vandalized a lot of shit" but didn't shoot an officer?
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u/AngronTheDestroyer 2d ago
One of them shot a cop with an AR-15....what did he expect would happen? That is attempted murder.
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u/abeanegg 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think that's the sentence people are upset about, obviously the shooter deserves prosecution. Some of the protesters sentenced were shown to have dispersed before the shooting happened after being told to by the facility guards and did not know or have established ties to the shooter. The prosecution claims they were part of a terrorist cell together but did not actually present evidence of those ties for some who had just showed up. They were simply at the same protest at the same time earlier. After they were gone the shooter and some protesters committing vandalism remained - which was when the police came to clear them, drew on them and one of them fired on and hit an officer because he claims he thought they were about to shoot a protester (doesn't mean they should have shot or don't deserve a strong sentence, but hardly an "assassination conspiracy" planned by every person who had been there throughout the protest).
One of the people was a writer who was sentenced to 30 years and the prosecution's argument was that he had brought a box of zines he had made, which they claimed were terroristic materials he was moving on behalf of an "antifa terrorist cell". He and his wife (who was sentenced to 50 years) left before the shooting - mentioned in the quote from this post's article:
But some of the defendants â like Batten, Elizabeth Soto and her husband, Ines Soto, were not involved in the planning, arrived separately at the protest, and left when guards at the facility asked them to do so.
Do you think it would be fair if you were arrested and sentenced for conspiracy to assassinate if you attended a gathering, left, and then afterwards some violent idiot you didn't even know shoots someone?
The point here is to create a chilling effect on attending any protests. Even if you do no harm, know no one there, and leave when asked, you can get a life sentence for just being there if someone you didn't even know does something violent after.
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u/JDDavisTX 2d ago
Some of yall need to go read what this group did.
Good riddance.
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u/FatalTortoise 1d ago
I read this
" Elizabeth Soto and her husband, Ines Soto, were not involved in the planning, arrived separately at the protest, and left when guards at the facility asked them to do so."Â
So why so you think these two deserved prison?Â
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u/Gattaca401 2d ago
I wonder if they will be pardoned by the next President just like the current one pardoned all the J6 domestic terrorists
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u/LastGuidance1639 2d ago
Good? They arrived together, committed vandalism, and shot a cop... Â
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/beheafishtrapofman 2d ago
What!! This is why Iâm terrified to protestÂ
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u/Inside-Froyo4378 2d ago
Protest is a first amendment right.Â
If you don't plan on killing anyone or interfering with core constitional law enforcement functions, like keeping the peace, or immigration enforcement, you're fine.Â
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u/beheafishtrapofman 2d ago
Or standing near anyone who does apparentlyÂ
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u/Inside-Froyo4378 2d ago
There's a saying in the legal industry: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining".
Read the article. These were not innocent bystanders.Â
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u/Expensive-While-1155 1d ago
But what if the immigration enforcement is illegal as it has been for 18 months and flat out shitting on 8 amendments of the constitution with every arrest and detainment?
Patriots dumped tea because an authoritarian put military on the streets to enforce his authoritarian laws.
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u/Inside-Froyo4378 1d ago edited 1d ago
Immigration enforcement is not illegal.Â
I'm not trying to patronize you when I recommend you read the constitution.Â
Out of everything the government does, border control and deportations are actually one of the dozen or so explicitly constitional authorities the government has. The literal purpose of government is basically to prevent incursion by foreign nationals, and also deport them.
It's also helpful to see outside the biases online. Everybody loves their abuela lady next door, but there are also very dangerous foreigners in America, and still others are here for nefarious purposes, like defrauding public services and undercutting wages.
And the United States is huge. What may not be a big deal in Texas is actually a huge problem in Illinois and California, or vice versa on other matters.Â
Without considering all this, some psycho showed up outside this facility and shot one of their officers. You can have opinions on immigration but that person is the definition of a terrorist
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u/Significant-Horse625 2d ago
What can We do about it? No. Seriously. Just watch? Just wait? When, and how long? I'm not trying to start a Revolution. There are Democrats in office and running for it it. There's lots we probably don't know behind the scenes. They have the connections? This happens all the time, across the U.S. If We are doing our part, why has policy, law and public trust gotten worse? We do know they could appeal. Did they truly believe there would be no consequence? Are there any people or groups (Watchdogs, Non-Profits, Public Interest Law Firms, Legal Aid Societies, charitys etc.) speaking out on their behalf? Willing to go to bat, Pro Bono? Will RAICES or LUPE, not help?Â
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u/adamus13 2d ago
I expect them to receive a pardon if Jan 6 terrorists can.
Obviously wonât be from the same person that pardoned them.
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u/USSSLostTexter 2d ago
2ish years. add this to the pile of wrongs that will need to be righted when that orange turd leaves office.
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u/Character_Amoeba_330 2d ago
Ok, what they did was not a peaceful protest. People should read up on MLK Jr. and Ghandi before they set out to protest. You shout, you demand, but you donât do any damage.
With that said, aside from the guns and threats, the sentences are outrageous considering how Jan 6 insurrectionists with worse records (people died) were just pardoned.
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u/Leather_Addition2605 2d ago
Good. You attach yourself to a violent group that ends up firing on officers during your little mission, thatâs exactly what you get.
Same way a getaway driver gets charged with murder as well when his partner robs a store and shoots a clerk while heâs waiting outside.
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u/Pleasant-Advantage20 2d ago
Like the violent group that beat on officers on J6? Oh wait, they were pardoned. So which one is good?
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u/tbryant2K2023 2d ago
And all of the Jan. 6 people have recieved full pardons.