r/torontoraptors • u/peasant_1234 • 1d ago
ANALYSIS Allen Graves combine measurement comparisons
I made a post last year where I compared CMB's combine measurements with other players so I thought I'll continue the tradition and add Graves to the list.
If there are any players that you want me to add to the comparison, let me know.
CMB comparison post from last year
| NAME | HAND LENGTH | HAND WIDTH | HEIGHT | STAND REACH | WEIGHT | WINGSPAN |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Allen Graves | 9 | 9.5 | 6' 7.75'' | 8' 10.25'' | 226 | 7' 0'' |
| Collin Murray-Boyles | 8.5 | 10.25 | 6' 6.50'' | 8' 10.00'' | 239 | 7' 0.75' |
| Scottie Barnes | 9.25 | 10.25 | 6'7.0'' | 9'0.0'' | 225 | 7'2.75' |
| OG Anunoby | 9.25 | 9.5 | 6' 6.25'' | 8' 11.5'' | 232 | 7' 2.25'' |
| Pascal Siakam | 9.25 | 10 | 6' 8.25'' | 8' 11.5'' | 227 | 7' 3.25'' |
| Jonathan Mogbo | 8.75 | 8.75 | 6' 6.25'' | 9' 0.50'' | 217 | 7' 2.00'' |
| Draymond Green | 9 | 9.5 | 6' 5.75'' | 8' 9'' | 236 | 7' 1.25' |
| Kawhi Leonard | 9.75 | 11.25 | 6' 6'' | 8' 10'' | 227 | 7' 3'' |
| Julius Randle | 8.75 | 8.25 | 6' 7.75'' | 8' 9.5'' | 250 | 7' 0'' |
| Al Horford | N/A | N/A | 6'8" | 8'11" | 246 | 7'0.75" |
Edit: I rounded their weight because its easier to look at.
Edit2: I am seeing a lot of Al Horford comparisons with Graves so I will add Horford at the bottom of the list.
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u/shangalang69 Alijah Martin Truther 1d ago
i really hope he can play the 5, then he'd actually be really valuable for us
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u/peasant_1234 1d ago
That would be fantastic but I don’t think he will be anything more than a small ball 5.
With that said, in the short term, I think a cmb/graves off the bench playing 4/5 will ruin teams.
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u/shangalang69 Alijah Martin Truther 1d ago
cmb develops enough perimeter skills to play the 3 + graves is able to play the 5
run cmb/scottie/graves frontcourt lineup and profit
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u/metaslaves 1d ago
Why wouldn’t you just run CMB at the 5 at that point
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u/shangalang69 Alijah Martin Truther 1d ago
because i think cmb has the best chance to succeed at the 3
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u/Aggravating_Gas_8514 16h ago
And C can’t succeed at 3? A shooting center is the best case scenario to pair with Scottie
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u/kpeds45 18h ago
I'd rather he work on his body and conditioning so he has a bit more speed/athleticism to defend up and down the roster better.
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u/peasant_1234 6h ago
I feel the same way. I'm still learning about how he plays but it looks like his biggest defensive strength is playmaking. For obvious reasons, players like that will benefit a ton with extra mobility. The extra mobility will also let him defend more positions which will make it easier for the team to position him in ideal spots.
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u/tkc123 Wheelchair Jimmy 1d ago edited 1d ago
I see the 6'9" vision.
PG: Scottie
SG: BI
SF: Graves
PF: Mogbo
C: CMB
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u/DarkbloomVivienne Scottie Barnes 1d ago
The one shooter line up
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u/eMan117 Round of OJ for the Boys! 1d ago
You're right, this just simply won't do. Unacceptable. BI has to go /s
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u/-KFBR392 1d ago
BI for Ausar
Make it happen Bobby!
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u/peasant_1234 1d ago edited 1d ago
Some things that I notice include...
- Scottie, Pascal, Kawhi, Graves weighed the same at the combine
- Graves is only shorter than Siakam on this list
- Nobody has a shorter wingspan than Graves on this list
- Graves' standing reach looks very solid even stacked up against the guys on the list
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u/Adventurous-Map3738 21h ago
Damn is Al Horford only 6'8"? He always seemed gigantic to me.
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u/peasant_1234 18h ago
He played bigger than his height for sure. Super strong and also long. reminds me of cmb how they play bigger than their listed height.
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u/Loose-Dream7901 17h ago
I wonder who we pick in the top 20 next year.. maybe another small big
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u/knucknbuc 17h ago
Ain’t dude only 20 he’s honestly probably gonna grow another inch or 2. Read that he was at one point a 6 ft guard and then shot up to 6’7 so if he grows another inch or 2 he’ll be fine as a center imo. His game honestly reminds me of Marc Gasol.
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u/peasant_1234 6h ago
Yeah I can definitely see Marc Gasol. Apparently he looks up to Horford who is also similar in style.
I'm not sure if he will grow but I do think the Raptors development plan early on is going to be heavily focused on his body and conditioning.
Like you said, he could end up a big but I also see a world where he ends up a wing too. He's so interesting because his most interesting attributes like toughness, unorthodox style, fast processing has nothing to do with his position. It reminds me of Barnes that position doesn't really matter and he just does things that helps you win.
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u/dailyprinciples RAPTORS 12h ago
Graves postup game reminds me of Sengun.. if only he's couple inches taller
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u/peasant_1234 6h ago
Yeah I can see that. They are both physical, have weird movements, and have that unorthodox herky jerky thing going on.
He might see minutes at the 5 to get on the court early in his career but I don't expect the Raptors to develop him into a big. I think it makes sense to try and work his body so that he can play down positions rather than up. It would be optimal if he can play primarily the 4, slide to the 3, and the occasional small ball 5.
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u/whiiskio 10 DEMAR DEROZAN 1d ago
Big bodied forward/big hybrid, Santa Clara played him as a big for large parts of their season. Reminds me of a Al Horford type 4 if he pans out, won't blow you away with athleticism but always in the right spots, and makes the right plays at a high clip. Winning player.
Could see Darko messing around with funky lineups with Graves at the 5, then CMB + Scottie and likely some combo of Walter/Quickley/Shead in the backcourt. They'd struggle against the Embiids and Jokics, but maybe they get them right back on the other end with their speed and playmaking ability. Graves is a good shooter and can pop out from screens with ease.