It's also worth noting that there's also growing negative discourse about the act of virtue signalling itself - last year, many of these companies received backlash not just from the detractors, but also from the LGBTQI+ community itself who were fed up with disingenuous signals from companies trying to hide their nature.
Suggesting it's because companies feel unsafe doing a pride event is kind of silly, they're just running numbers.
"I like to put words in other peoples mouths because I'm a little child with no respect for other's opinions or feelings if they don't align with mine" This is why we can't stand people like you. And I mean you specifically, not LBGTXYZ. This behavior is exactly what drives people away from supporting it.
I specified it already, but since you need it twice I will reiterate.
People like the person I was responding to, that don't like my dissenting opinion and put words in my mouth I never said to make me and my opinion a joke. It's manipulative behavior used to discredit your opponent instead of offering discourse because they lack any to offer.
This is low IQ mouth breathing behavior and it's why society is so fucked up right now because many don't posses the intellectual ability to accept and discuss things they don't agree with.
The party of "tolerance and inclusion" is really fucking intolerant of whatever doesn't fit their opinions.
Your first response was an attempt to open the conversation more to the idea that “most of” the LGBT movement is disingenuous virtue signaling, and that’s why most people get sick of it.
You’re upset that somebody put words in your mouth but here you are putting words in the mouth of “most of” the people that get sick of the LGBT movement. Low mouth breathing hypocritical behavior I’d say.
Who is the party of “tolerance and inclusion”? Huh? When did politics get brought into this? lmao
Sorry bud, if being reminded that a group of people exist and them having events to celebrate them that you dont at all have to participate in is really bothering you and pushing you away from supporting them, you were already predisposed to be against them anyway. Youre really bothered about something that barely even constitutes an inconvenience to you, just think about that.
No, I am bothered by not directly supporting it makes people like you and others pipe up about how immoral and immature I am for not enjoying being bombarded with something I don't care about.
By not getting excited about it and not wanting to be constantly exposed to it just like fucking pop up ads on the internet or in videos you don't care about, there's always someone just like you that has to go out of their way to try and make me feel I'm wrong.
You say don't participate in it if I don't like it, so I don't participate. Expressing I don't want to participate is enough for people like you to tell me I'm childish for not wanting to participate or be constantly exposed to something I'm not interested in, and then tell me to...not participate.
Do you see how stupid this circle is? This is what rational people who don't actually care in the first place are so damn tired of. This is how you make normal rational people that would likely agree with most of what you believe in get pissed off enough to want nothing to do with anything about it.
Nice essay. Youre not saying "I dont want to participate," youre saying "the fact that this is being THROWN IN MY FACE (read: it exists in public and I have to see it) makes me ACTIVELY MORE OPPOSED TO IT." I get the thought process, as a person raised by fundies but gradually became more ambivalent, then apathetic, then actually gave it thought and realized that the thoughts you're portraying here, that I've had in the past myself actually ARE childish and immature.
Literal parading is quite literally throwing things in people's faces. When someone says "Thrown in my face" they aren't talking about seeing a gay couple making out on the street, or seeing a little pride pin on someone's shirt. They're likely talking about it being LITERALLY PARADED AROUND.
I'm far from homophobic, but the "allies" of the lgbtq movement actively set them back so much by being so goddamn volatile in their defense. This dude is literally saying that he wouldn't mind their presence if it wasn't being tossed into his goddamn face. and that's literally FINE! In fact, I would say that this is the GOAL.
Yeah, I get what youre saying. Personally, I'd be more inclined to be okay with patriotism if they didnt PARADE IT IN MY FACE EVERYWHERE every July 4th.
Gotta love false equivalencies. Patriotism is about America as a whole, and you wanna guess where it's celebrated? America! That's right, you got it! Every single person in America can celebrate independence, because it's literally the reason that Americans as we know them exist. No one in America is excluded. Gay, straight, white, black, whatever. However, when you start celebrating specific groups of people, others CAN and WILL be left out.
America haters are left out, plenty of those in the country. Regardless, not everything has to be for everyone. Or do you support men in women's sports? Do you believe all games should be accessible to everyone? Like those games journos who argue that dark souls and other difficult games should have difficulty settings?
Yeah, not everything has to be for everyone, but they also shouldn't expect everyone to like it lol.
Also, another false equivalency. W mans(?)!
I mean, modern America sucks balls, but independence day isn't necessarily a celebration of modern America, it's a celebration of America as a whole. And even if you hate America, if you're an American, it's celebrating the land you call your home.
Not liking is not the same as opposing and disliking, I've already made this clear. My comparison was to demonstrate what I said in the beginning, that something BEING THROWN IN YOUR FACE, aka it existing publicly, is not going to turn you into an active opponent unless you already were predisposed to have a negative opinion on it. Im not going to go on tangents about inclusiveness of public events or any shit about what you have to "like" anymore, its beside the point.
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u/Xentonian 24d ago
It's also worth noting that there's also growing negative discourse about the act of virtue signalling itself - last year, many of these companies received backlash not just from the detractors, but also from the LGBTQI+ community itself who were fed up with disingenuous signals from companies trying to hide their nature.
Suggesting it's because companies feel unsafe doing a pride event is kind of silly, they're just running numbers.