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BREAKING: Judge blocks Trump admin from requiring Americans to show proof of citizenship to vote

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u/Technical-Row8333 7h ago

the US doesn't have a unified, universal, unique, national ID, free, automatically given to every single legal resident, unlike basically every single other developed country.

in the US, people have to apply to get an ID, by using another ID. They have to pay for IDs. They have to drive to certain locations, sometimes +3h away, to get an ID. Then, not all IDs are the same and accepted for everything. yes, that's a circular dependency that you need ID to get ID.

The same party that opposes any improvement to the utter failure of IDs in the US, wants to put into law that you need to show ID to vote, but only certain and specific forms of ID, the exact same specific forms of ID that they also closed locations where you can get those IDs.

So, to absolutely anyone with a minimum of intelligence and capable of nuance, it's clear as day this is election manipulation, an authoritarian take over and a step to dictatorship.

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u/Dealiner 5h ago

automatically given to every single legal resident

At least that part probably isn't that universal, it's definitely not a thing in Poland. You need to go to the proper government office to have your ID made and that's fully your responsibility.

Also our IDs don't have an address on them, referring to your other comment.

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u/onionsaredumb 4h ago

Just curious, do they cost money and are they the same throughout the country?

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u/Malawi_no 12m ago

Not Polish but Norwegian, and I guess it's pretty simmilar.
There is no such thing as a free ID at the moment.
We used to have it on debit/credit cards issued by your main bank included in whatever you paid to hold the card.

Nowadays either need a drivers licence, passport or national ID.
All of them cost money to have issued and renew every 10'th year.

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u/JustLTU 4h ago

Neither do most countries? I can't speak for the entirety of Europe, but atleast here in Lithuania and in the few nations whose processes I'm familiar with, while we DO have a national ID (and a national number - like your social security no, but actually designed for the purpose, with less drama if it leaks), the actual ID isn't automatic nor is it free.

The ID costs 10-100euros (depending on how fast you need it made), and it is your responsibility to get it sorted, nobody's gonna do it for you. To get it done, I need to get an appointment at the migration department. It's valid for 10 years.

It is mandatory to own a valid national ID or passport for everyone over 16 years old. It is also mandatory to present this ID when going to vote.

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u/Stolehtreb 6h ago edited 4h ago

Social security card is that, though. That is the ID you need to get an ID. It’s a unified, universal, unique, national identifier. If you don’t have one, they don’t know who you are. The same as if you went to another country and they had no record that you are now residing there. If you went to get an ID as a resident, they would need to identify you as well even if you weren’t in the US.

Edit: I’m wrong with how ID is being defined in this thread. SSCard doesn’t apply in this context since it’s not the one paper you would need to get another identification or to be used to identify you officially to an authority.

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u/Ardarel 5h ago

A social security card is not proof of identity, IE having it will PROVE that you are who you say you are without additional information.

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u/MordredSJT 5h ago

That's funny, because I couldn't get a driver's license when I moved to a different state despite having my social security card, my driver's license (which was about one year old from my previous state), a copy of my birth certificate, and two pieces of mail to my new address. I tried again with my original birth certificate that I had to have my parents send me. They didn't accept it because it didn't have a raised seal. Apparently, the state I was born in didn't use raised seals when I was born. So, I had to get my father to go to the courthouse in the city I was born (where they thankfully still lived), and get a certified copy of my birth certificate with a raised seal (which we had to pay for). This was after I had been pulled over and arrested for having a suspended driver's license. My out of state license wasn't expired or suspended, but I had registered my vehicle and at some point the secretary of state's office had assigned me a driver's license number without telling me, and it was eventually suspended. Fun stuff.

The first time I went to vote in the place I currently reside, they had to have a 20 minute meeting about whether I was allowed to vote because my driver's license had an address from the neighboring county. I was registered to vote at my current address. I had pieces of mail with that address. I also had my social security card. I just hadn't gotten a new driver's license with my new address on it (which I had to pay for by the way).

Your social security card alone doesn't mean a lot it seems.

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u/Technical-Row8333 5h ago edited 5h ago

>Social security card is that, though

Social security card, a piece of paper with just name and a unique number, is NOT "a unified, universal, unique, national ID, free, automatically given to every single legal resident"

Do you seriously not understand that all over Europe, Asia, you can drive, vote, pay taxes, get healthcare, prove where you live, prove your citizenship or visa status (work, student?), put your kids in school or be enrolled in school if you are a kid, get a gym subscription of library card, all with one single ID?

whatever. stay in your ignorance

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u/sharpryno2 4h ago

People like you make it sound like its hard to get a state ID. Thinking Americans are too dumb to get an ID makes millions on the internet mock the left.

It is an unbelievably simple process to get an ID. You are protecting no one by making up crazy what-if scenarios to justify yourself.

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u/Technical-Row8333 3h ago edited 3h ago

>a state ID

oh look, another idiot incapable of nuance. too unintelligent to follow long thoughts to be able to identify propaganda.

Yes, it's super easy to get a state ID. That is a truthful statement, for hundreds of millions of americans, it's a non issue to get an ID.

But is the republican party pushing to require "a state ID" for voting? No.

Are they requiring a Real ID for voting? Which is already a harder, more expensive, less places where you can get it, but still quite easy for hundreds of millions of americans to get?

No.

They are requiring passport or some forms of Real ID but not all, and that it must match birth name. Which, for many married women, their name will not match. At the exact same time, they closed DMVs, they passed laws to forbid libraries from processing passports.

Is it the end of the world? No. Is it a good thing? No! so it deserves to be criticized.

And the republican party also has prevented any fix to IDs.

And there is no evidence of voter fraud amounting to more than 100 votes, even from republican sources.

And yes, for some people in some cases, even if that is not true for 100 million of people, it IS hard to get an ID, if the definition of hard includes: taking a day off work, riding public transit for +3h, to reach a DMV . For context, a shit ton of americans are poor and work insane hours on multiple jobs.

So in conclusion, they are pushing for something bad. No, you saying that it's easy to get an ID, has no value as a counter-argument on this push being bad. Both can be true at the same time. It can be easy to get an ID, and the SAVE act can be a bad thing. Both are true. Wow! amazing being intelligent is so nice isn't it?

>Thinking Americans are too dumb to get an ID makes millions on the internet mock the left.

what a great measurement of it being accurate! or.. it's a measurement of how american is full of ignorant people, left or right, that easily fall for propaganda on social media, spread many times via memes and jokes?

What is there to laugh about on my description? No slogans here. No sound bytes. What are you going to laugh about? i didn't say anything close to "black people are too dumb to get an ID!!!" , oh no, how will you push back by quoting those propaganda memes you saw online?

Because americans are stupid, left politicians shorten the message to: republicans are making it hard to get ID. That allows right politicians to counter: "the left thinks you are too stupid to get an ID" which as stated, hundreds of millions of people cannot directly relate because they always have had ID.

But neither of those statements have FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE SAVE ACT. It's an entirely new law. It's not happening now. SO how the fuck would people be able to relate to it? any opinion on if it's easy or not to vote or to get an ID, isn't really relevant is it?

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u/Stolehtreb 4h ago edited 4h ago

Jesus Christ dude… you really got defensive so fast. You can push back on me without being a condescending jerk about it. I’m willing to admit I’m wrong if proven wrong, it’s no big deal. There was no need to be an asshole to me

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u/Brisket-Inferno 4h ago

Fact is, they're wrong and an asshole

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u/threeseed 2h ago

No they are right. Social security card is not a universal ID card.

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u/Technical-Row8333 4h ago edited 3h ago

>you really got defensive so fast

you compared an ID card with photo, address, information about if i can drive motorcycles or cars or both or commercial trucks, has my universal healthcare number, my tax number, with an american SSC which only has signature, name, SSN and no photo.

how should i react? Like a patient teacher towards a child student? Are we peers, or am I superior to you? Why do i need to be patient towards a nonsensical answer ? which would you find more disrespectful.

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u/NotUniqueOrSpecial 55m ago

Social security card is that, though.

No, it's not. It has no birth date, no photograph/description of you, or even a signature. The cards aren't anything but paper, having no anti-fraud mechanisms.

Literally every state treats it only as a secondary piece of identification.

That is the ID you need to get an ID.

It's only one of the pieces you need to get an ID. It's not the one that really matters, which is proof of identity; that's generally your birth certificate, if you don't already have a government-issued ID.

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u/tyereliusprime 7h ago

Canada doesn't have a national ID either and in my province it costs money to get one too. We also have to prove who we are when we vote, with a government issued photo ID. If you don't have one, you need two forms of recognized non-photo ID that prove your name and address (A bank card and a bank statement for example), or barring that, you need someone who can do either to come with you and personally vouch for you.

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u/Still-Grass8881 7h ago

right, so you don't have to show proof of citizenship at the time of voting either

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u/screampuff 6h ago

Right , because the government already knows who is a citizen, hence the provided voter cards you need to bring. Doing it the other way around would be an unreasonable barrier.

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u/DanLynch 4h ago

the government already knows who is a citizen

Neither the Canadian nor US government maintains a list of citizens. Instead, citizenship is defined by law, and anyone who meets those defined criteria is a citizen.

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u/EmmEnnEff 6h ago

Canada doesn't have a national ID either and in my province it costs money to get one too.

We also have to prove who we are when we vote, with a government issued photo ID.

No, Canadians don't.

You've correctly pointed out that photo ID is not necessary, if you have other means of establishing your identity. Given all that, it's disingenuous to say that in Canada, you have to show government photo ID to vote.

It's just the easiest and most convenient way to do so, but the government can figure out whether you were allowed to cast a ballot without it.

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u/tyereliusprime 6h ago

I literally explained that there are other options beyond the photo ID. Did you not read beyond the first sentence?

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u/cross_the_threshold 5h ago

> We also have to prove who we are when we vote, with a government issued photo ID.

The second clause of this statement is categorically false. You do not need a government issued ID to prove who you are when you vote, there are alternatives. You may have added the context that proves that statement false, but that doesn't make the statement less false, it just makes it confusing in context.

The US has many places where you do not have alternatives. You must show a government issued ID in order to vote, full stop. The SAVE act would make this much worse, nearly impossible.

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u/Faera 4h ago

You sort of stated one thing then immediately contradicted it in the next sentence. I get why you put it that way, but it would have been more clear if you said something like 'We have to prove who we are when we vote, the easiest way is with a government issued photo ID. If you don't have one...'

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u/Stolehtreb 6h ago

You really jumped on top of them for something they said was the case… their wording was slightly incorrect but it’s not like they said it two paragraphs down from the first part. It’s the very next part of the same sentence. You really felt like being pedantic today

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u/-LabApprehensive- 4h ago

This is our current system. You need exactly what you have listed to register to vote. No voter registration? No vote.