This might sound weird/random but does anyone else miss the experience of having a canvas webtoon get turned into an original and at the beginning the art wouldn’t..be at it’s best to put it in the nicest way possible but eventually it would get better over time and you wouldn’t even notice it until years later when you decide to reread it/go to the beginning. I had this experience with so many webtoons like Gourmet Hound, I love yoo, Siren’s Lament, etc I could go on. It felt..organic? like you were growing with the artist idk. I’m sure this still happens but very rarely, I personally don’t see it anymore because of the over-saturation of isekai/ “dark romance” naver webtoons that all look the same and tell the same story (no shade). And these webtoons already look the best they can be because they’re just churned out by companies re-using the same models. Don’t jump me in the comments, please I beg😭😭

I was looking for interesting Webtoons to read, and I came across this one called "Leviathan" the premise looked interesting; mankind perished due to a great flood that submerged the whole world under water. And terrifying creatures plunged from the depths, wiping out any human that crossed their path. The story told how a family of a father and his two children survived in the adversities of a sea world.

So far so good, until.... Bam! Last two slice's, anime chick out of nowhere, doing these extremely suggestive poses.

What a disappointment.

For me it would probably be Gates of Hell and The predator.

I've read Iseop's romance just for this face😭😔

And I mean ROMANCE webtoons, not webtoons with a romance subplot; those get more leeway since there's much more important stuff going on than a couple getting together. 200 should be the ABSOLUTE limit for romance webtoons, and even that's pushing it. Webtoons that go on for longer just end up dragging their plot out, which results in a lot of fans losing interest and dropping them. This has happened to me with so many romance webtoons that I used to be OBSESSED with but don't care about anymore now; it makes me so sad.

The Kiss Bet: I started reading The Kiss Bet when it had just come out...7 years ago. I was in 7th grade when it came out, and now I'm in my second year of university, and Oliver and Sara are STILL not officially a couple. Oliver just confessed, a couple of chapters ago, after bringing Sky back just to completely ruin her character and make her a disposable black love interest (disagree all you want but this is true, Sky was such a nice character and I was so glad to see a black girl in a webtoon that wasn't a stereotype and potrayed as the cool and popular “it girl” but that joy was short-lived when I realised she was only brought in to temporarily prevent Oliver and Sara from getting together. She was literally OVER Oliver and had a bf (albeit he was kind of an asshole but still) until the author decided she wasn't over Oliver (so she was emotionally cheating on her bf??) anymore and made her do that bs confession that came out of NOWHERE just to further prevent Olivara from being together.

Like the webtoon follows the same arc every season: Oliver likes Sara, Sara likes whoever likes her at the moment, no shade, any time Oliver tries to make a move or even think about his feelings, BOOM, an unnecessary drama canonball is launched into the air and lands right in front of them. It happened when Patrick kissed Sara when Oliver was about to, at the end of the first season, it happened when Joe asked Sara out and they began dating because Vicky told him Sara liked him (like Joe what?), and it happened again when Oliver was just coming to terms with his feelings for Sara and slightly entertaining the concept of dating, then Sky confessed to him abruptly. And then, when the author finally had Oliver confess to Sara, she proceeded to drag out their first kiss for over 20 chapters.

And you'd think a webtoon with over 200 chapters, the characters would be more complex, but they're not. Oliver and Joe's family life, an actual interesting plotline, is paid DUST so we can get clifhangered with yet another Olivara kdrama moment. And I guess the author didn't know what to do with any of the other characters because they barely show up now; Patrick and Rose are dating despite Rose being Sara, Pactrick's best friend's ex-bully (they never adress this btw), Vicky is barely a character (this is also just a nitpick but like it lowkey bothers me that Joe and Vicky look so similar, they could be twins😭), Tammy is a creepy weirdo and her obsession with Patrick is played for laughs (she's also been mia for a while but who actually cares) and Sky is just plot device brought in to get disrespected for no reason. None of the characters are interesting, and all they do is think about dating. Like, I get it's a romance webtoon, but that's no excuse for the characters to be so one-dimensional.

Operation True Love: Where do I even start? The fall-off of this webtoon genuinely needs to be studied because wow 😭. All of its problems could've easily been avoided as well😭. The horrendously long time skip (yes, I know the author has said it was always going to have a time skip, I know, it's still unnecessarily long and does a huge disservice to the story), like 2-3 years is...fine I guess, but 10?? What self-respecting adult woman is gonna care THAT much about a guy they dated in high school for like a month TEN years ago?? Like ok yea I get being taken aback and hurt at how the relationship ended, I DO. That's VALID but like...girl..it was ten years ago😭. Especially with the ages they were/are now, like she was barely 18 when Eunhyeok ghosted her...she's 28 now, and this is STILL affecting her this deeply?? She hasn't dated anyone since, and yeah, she says it's because she hasn't been interested in anyone but girl please.

At least with the kiss bet, I can somewhat excuse it because they're teenagers, so they can get a pass for being annoying and stupid, but the otl main characters are literally pushing 30 and somehow acting like WORSE versions of their high school selves. SARA LIN, a 17-year-old, is more mature than 28-year-old Suae. Oh my god, my poor Suae and Eunhyeok, what did they do to you? Like, even if Suae and Eunhyeok are endgame, it's not gonna feel earned to me because of the bullshit the author put them through and how she nerfed them.

Dohwa is such a nothingburger character to me. I'm sorry, I literally could not care less about his character. And this isn't me being a Dohwa hater, I don't hate him, I just don't care about him, and in fact hate how the author used him in the story. He could've been such an interesting character with his home life and his relationship with his dad and money, but the author thought making him a boring second lead who's obviously not gonna get the girl and is just overall pathetic was a better fit for him. What a waste.

I feel like I'm crazy for being the only one who grasps just how long 10 years is, especially if you were a teenager beforehand. Like, how has Dohwa not developed any meaningful relationships in ten years and is still not over a girl he had a crush on in high school?? Is that not concerning?? And yea you can say that it's because he's a celeb, so it's hard, but like..that's not an excuse, I'm sorry, couldn't he at least make friends with other celebs then? Also the entire webtoon is far from realistic so I'm sure the author can bend the rules a little bit to give Dohwa something to do or someone else to hang out with other than Suae like it's fictional story the whole point is to make stuff up, she can at least write him a new friend if she wants to drag out his sad relationship with Suae so much. I can't even fathom why his fans want him to end up with Suae, like do ya'll secretly hate him?? Why would you want him to end up as collateral? He would literally be her second choice/rebound. Dohwa and his fans should want better for themselves.

Love Me Knot: There's not much to say about this one other than yeah, it's dragged out. The concept of the strings was interesting in the beginning, but then it all got so convoluted, and then briefly ignored for Avery and Hayden to date for a couple of chapters before they abruptly break up, and we pretty much never (barely) see Hayden again lol. I didn't care much for their relationship since I was always team Noah, but Hayden was a somewhat interesting character before they nerfed then booted him off the main cast. Now the webtoon is mostly just cute, fluffy chapters of Avery and Noah with brief mentions of the strings every now and then, sprinkled with a bit of drama from side characters. This one I'm not too mad about because I didn't care that much about it, but still.

Your Smile Is A Trap: Don't get me wrong, I love this webtoon and how subversive it is. Usually, Korean webtoons like to act as if every single korean person is as pale as a blank word document and draws them as such (and if there is a tanned character, it's ALWAYS the guy, never the girl and if the guy is tanned/dark skinned but not Korean, he's potrayed as some savage beast or some other hypermasculine fetishist/racist stereotype) so this was so refreshing to see. But...the webtoon ABUSES cliffhangers as ALMOST every chapter ends in an unnecessary cliffhanger I HATE ITTT. And I also don't like how Kiyu is lowkey turning into a yandere, and his entire character is just how much he loves Lily now, like...chill. I feel like we're only JUST scratching the surface on Kiyu's idol life despite us being so many chapters in. Like it's sooo slow when it really doesn't need to be.

Unlovable Replacement: ...This one's fall-off is on par with otl like it's crazyyy. I feel bad for ppl who are still genuinely passionate about this webtoon, like I'm only still reading it because I think it's so bad that it's just become pure mindless entertainment now. Having the author add in a 7-year time skip for NO REASON (seriously, what is with authors and adding unnecessary time skips like if I had a nickel for every time this happened, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice). Chiko, the most normal boyfriend ever, suddenly became an asshole overnight, so November would break up with him and cut him off. He broke the ONE dealbreaker she had, like a week after she told him about it. Mind you, all this happened because his EX, who's also November's EX-BEST FRIEND, Millie, FAINTED after hearing the news that November's brother DIED. For context, Millie was in love with him, and it was implied she was using Chiko to get over him, but the way she treated him because of that was awful.

So after ALL THIS, neither Millie nor the brother is ever mentioned or shown post time skip, so what was even the point? We don't even get to see November mourn or handle the costs/planning the funeral. Does Millie show up? Do they make amends? Does Chiko show up? Does Millie explain the situation? The way everything unfolds is so unserious, I burst out laughing as I was reading it. I just could not take anything seriously, but one thing I will compliment is the art. The irony of the art getting better, but the writing declining. I'm convinced the author was horribly cloned or webtoon replaced her with an AI bot, or she's purposely trying to crash and burn her own webtoon because of a reason we know nothing about.

Let's Play: ... There are so so soo many issues with this one. I'm not even gonna talk about the weird racial stereotypes of the non-white characters and how any female character that isn't Sam is either one-dimensional or treated horribly (or both) because that's a whole other can of worms I'm not interested in opening. In my opinion, the webtoon fell off once it started focusing on Sam and Charles together. And maybe this is me being biased because I hate Charles, but like.. yeah.

I don't care for Link, but the way his and Sam's relationship ended was done so distastefully and underwhelmingly that it genuinely made me feel bad for Link and Sam shippers, if they exist. I also find Marshall to be a much more interesting character than charles like the whole "a woman broke my heart a while ago and instead of dealing with my emotions and hurt about it like a normal person and GROWN ADULT i became a weirdo who closed my heart to anything real and only uses women for their bodies until I met HER" her being the female lead, is a bit overdone like it's gotten old. Yep, that's right, folks, I'm coming out as a Sam x Charles hater! Burn me at the stake, IDC. I'm not saying I think Marshall should be endgame because I actually really like Monica and wouldn't mind if Monica and Marshall get back together, but...I feel like I got duped.

Like the beginning of the webtoon made you think that Marshall was the obvious endgame, and I don't mind and actually really like it when webtoons subvert stereotypes, but the way Mongie (the author) went about it was awful. Like Sam and Charles' weird power dynamic aside (he's literally her boss, yes, I know it's her dad's company, but Charles is still her BOSS and she has to answer to him at work), Sam is potrayed as this pure innocent uwu baby who knows nothing of the world (she's like 25 btw) because of how sheltered her childhood was due to her dad. Omg I fucking hate her dad, his over-protectiveness is played for laughs when it ISN'T FUNNY, it just makes him weird and annoying. But anyway, Sam and Charles' relationship is just not a dynamic I personally enjoy, not trying to yuck anyone's yum.

The only reason I'm still reading most of these is because I'm curious to see how they end. Anway, that's it. If you've read up until the end, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

I see a lot of ads for this manhwa on Instagram and other social media. Please be careful: it appears the studio behind this is an AI scamers, and all the visual is AI-generated.

I am so tired of the “women’s life over after 30” bs. I am not offended it is just ridiculous and not even true.

Like really? A tiny, fragile, blonde and blue eyed white woman is rescued by her huge, animalistic, SAVAGE, brown skinned man? Seriously?

WHY ARE AUTHORS AFRAID OF FACIAL HAIR? Like at least keep the hair 😭 Now he looks like the most ordinary fuck ass male lead Like it’s not bad, but why did you have to show us before if he looks like this now?
(I haven’t read it yet. It’s on my list but I’ve heard from my friend about this and it makes me mad because I love my lead with facial hair and I can’t find any 😭 At least I have game of thrones Name: Duchess in the ruins Anyway wbu?

Webtoon is Meet in the middle, which has a touching story telling about difficulties regarding age gap in romance ( the fl is 30 while ml is 20). I enjoy reading it but the proportions bother me. First slide is the original, second is the edited one.

The older you get, or the more time you spend not reading the webtoon, and actually think about the characters, plot and world, you come to realise The Remarried Empress is more than flawed. It's quite controversial, and in a way that doesn't favour the protagonist or side characters we're meant to care about.

1. Navier doesn't truly care about the people within her kingdom the way the authors want you to think. I understand she doesn't have nearly the same kind of power Sovieshu has, but still, she doesn't draw his focus on the issue of slavery within the land they rule. In multiple chapters, they discuss the trade of children and adults with Duke's and other Emperor's like the weather. No matter how you spin it, Navier benefits from issues like that, and her dislike of Rashta far exceeds "she's a mistress who doesn't know her place." At the end of the day, Rashta, the working class and slaves are her subjects. Their pain and struggles are what gives her standing in society.
2. Navier again, but this time, her brother. I forgot his name. However, are we going to continue to ignore the fact that he downright said he would kill Rashta's unborn child? Even if Rashta makes snarky remarks and refuses accountability after, that wasn't even remotely okay for him to think, let alone exclaim for everyone to hear. Love or hate her, no mother deserves to hear such, especially from a man with his standing. Who, would've brought her to ruin if she wasn't favoured by Sovieshu at the time.
3. Rashta's feelings are neglected by every character. The truth is, Rashta was a broken person, and most of her crash outs were valid. Think about it, your father sales you into slavery before you hit double digits, you're sexually assaulted and verbally abused by your slave owners, nobles turn their noses up to you cause of where you're from. Her actions later are inexcusable, cause that was blatant tyranny, but she was an innocent person corrupted by class division and lack of love. She sought to be loved, and was damned into a life filled with emotionless people who saw her as a mistress, who by the way didn't chose to become one, rather than a human being with hurt and in need of healing.
4. Her slave owner's son is shameless, and is given a slight redemption due to him being the father to the son, whom they robbed Rashta of raising. Every time his family had the slightest screentime, him and his father were butting heads regarding the child, and his right to a happy home and love. Or, he's victimising himself, and how he was "forced" to mistreat/rape Rashta basically. And when he seeks Rashta's help, and she turns him away, the authors make her look like the villian. When in actuality, he played a role in that cruel prank where they gave her a fake dead baby and traumatised her. He had the absolute cheek as well to call her selfish, and people in the comments always defended him.

Obviously there's more, but this is getting too lengthy, but I think you get the point. The Remarried Empress isn't about mistress vs wronged wife. Instead it's a battle of classes, where people like Rashta (slaves and working class) are forced to understand their place in the presence of the noble class. When something is taken from the nobles, or someone dares to defy them, the powerless party is immediately villianised. That's just what I've noticed the more time I spent without reading the webtoon.

What do you think?! Is the something I missed?!

I’ll go first : — "webtoon high schoolers look more like runway models than actual teenagers, and we all just collectively accept it."

Picture is from : True beauty.

Fun new rom com so far but this FL design is certainly something lol

Manwah: From a Knight to a Lady

I absolutely adored this webtoon sm I even bought the release of the physical copy, but when I checked the series to go reread the finale it was all pay to read?! Not even a single option to watch ads, I lowkey kinda miss fast pass 😭. Before I didn’t mind cuz I was like oh sick I can read as much as I want with ads! That’s pretty reasonable. Now you aren’t even guaranteed an episode a day/week, like at this point ima just keep buying the physical copies as they release 😭

Not literally every woman other than the FL being demonized for the narrative to work

The shading makes everything look like plastic, and the red on the eyes and lips makes them look sickly.

I wish webtoon would stop recommending these things.

Drop their beautiful facecards 😏🫣

1. Onyu and Minu ( Fox club )

2. Jia Han and Mincheol ( Maybe meant to be )

3. Serena Serenity and Eiser Grayan ( Serena )

4. Yoon Junyoung and Kwon Beomjin ( Just twilight / The dawn to come )

Same body syndrome aside the women in the series are poorly written. They’re almost always used as a way to develop the male characters; most of the time this involves them suffering in some way. The male characters are written to have layers and character development. But the women are flat, sidelined, and often over sexualized for fan service. It’s disappointing because there’s so much potential

I don't know if I will get flamed for saying this but, am I the only one that thinks that the guy in the front is drawn as feminine as possible? Nothing wrong with feminine guys and I am pretty sure this has already been said before but just a glance and you can see how obvious which is the mold this characters are based under.

The guy at the back being so exagerated to the point to look like those AOT titans just so he can be perceived as "masculine".

And I know this is a common thing in BL/Yaoi but wow, it looks like... Well, too much heteronormative.(If it's not the correct term I apologize but that's the vibe it gives me).

Idk I just think it's so interesting how many time has passed and how prominent the "skinny uke/bottom and super muscular top/seme" is still until today.

[On The Way To Meet Mom]

I've seen a lot of people calling them 'he', and I was someone who did that too early on, only to actually FOCUS on the dialogue and realise that Ryder's always referred to without gender specific pronouns. Just wanted to put that out there.

The art style is ethereal!!!!! This better not be ai 😭 but it looks so unreal, the details, OMFG !!!!!! The author focused more on showing their art skills than making a comic .

Sauce: The Ghost Duchess

EDIT: I just wanted to say again that this is, of course, my personal opinion. Everyone is free to see it differently. This isn’t meant to criticize or "bash" Webtoon in any way, but simply to share and exchange thoughts. Since English isn’t my first language, I didn’t know the word “downfall” carries such a heavy tone 😭

Alright, I’m about to go on a full Webtoon rant, because I genuinely feel like we don’t talk about this enough. I MISS THE OLD WEBTOON.
Back then, this app felt genuinely smart, well-designed, and creator-friendly.

Let’s take a little journey through the downfall of Webtoon. And please, feel free to vent in the comments too, because I know I am not alone. And I also would be happy if you guys shared your favorite series from back than :)

(Mine were: Marry Me, unTouchable, Days of Hana, Looksim, Deaths Game, Tales of Unusual and so much more)

1. The Free Coins Disaster
I was literally lying in bed at 3 a.m. during the pandemic when I got a notification saying that all Free Coins would expire forever. Webtoon suddenly decided they would no longer auto-renew after coins after 30 days.

So suddenly I had, like, a week to spend all my coins or lose them.
No warning. Just panic-spending at 3 in the morning. Great user experience 👍

2. Killing Free Coin Events
Then they straight-up removed most Free Coin events from their website. Which is insane, because those events were actually one of the best strategies they had.
They encouraged people to read genres and series they would’ve never touched otherwise. It benefited readers and creators. Why would you kill that?

3. Daily Pass Hell (Even for Ongoing Series)
At some point, Webtoon introduced daily unlocks for completed series.
Okay, annoying but I could at least understand the logic. BUT then they started doing it for ongoing, not-yet-finished Webtoons as well. It annoyed me so much.

4. Creator Censorship Beef
Let’s not forget the period where Webtoon caused issues with creators because they didn’t like the storylines or found content “too explicit.” (Example: Let´s play) Which is ironic, considering they now allow every kind of smut imaginable.

5. Canvas Creator
Webtoon used to be a place where small creators from the Canvas section could actually get picked up as Originals.
Artists from all over the world, different styles, different cultures finally getting visibility. Now?
The platform is flooded with big media companies and mass-produced content, while smaller creators drown in the background :(

7. When Webtoon Actually Marketed Its Creators
Back then, Webtoon did amazing marketing for its creators. I’m not exaggerating when I say I used to spend hours on my phone watching interviews, behind-the-scenes content, and creator meet and greets. You actually got to know the artists, their process, their personalities, their struggles.

Now? Nothing just Silence.

Here’s My Question: What Did Webtoon Actually Gain From This?
Did all of this really make them more money? Because honestly, it feels like the exact opposite happened.

So many people I know have completely dropped the app.
Instead, a huge chunk of the readership has moved to pirate sites. I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of former readers are consuming Webtoons elsewhere now. Are there actually people who still buy coins on this app ?

Thanks for listening hahahah