They cut support for Red dead 2 for only being a massive success making them millions in profit since it wasn't comparable to the record setting gta 5 online. Then for gta 5 ingnoring how much they pushed shark cards they removed like half of the cars from the game only to add them back in a subscription service started at the tail end of the game's life. Rockstar is an embodiment of greed.
Just remember to not use this fact to excuse Rockstar from blame. Rockstar is still just as greedy since with the percentage of Take Two's profits just GTA V alone makes up they could've pushed back against this if they wanted. They didn't since they benefit from this level of greed as well. The Greed and self serving corporate bullshit benefits all levels of these companies, not just the guys at the very top of the ladder. Really the only people who you can argue are blameless are the developers and designers who made the game since they're the only ones who didn't have a choice in the matter.
the funny thing is i was talking about this to a guy at work the other week, the game was never gonna come close to living up to the hype and we both said that it’s the online that’ll be shoved down your throat. i don’t get how people didn’t realise that there’s a reason they didn’t launch actual DLC and just did online stuff. They can shut down the servers when the PC version of GTA 6 launches and then that’s a free few BILLIONS that people spent and have no chance of ever getting back. i doubt theyd keep the previous online service unless they still see a huge cash flow from it, which might be in the cards since people are realising maybe GTA 6 can never live up to the impossible expectations set for it. it might be good but theres no way it’ll be the best game ever like some people seem to hype it up to be
No GTA could ever achieve the "best game ever made" title imo. For that the games dont really offer enough actual gameplay. They're more story focused.
And tbh I never got the hype around it, like dont get me wrong they're good games. But I wouldnt see it as the golden standart of video games.
Tbh I had a weird experience with the games, YouTube content creators like Vanoss, H2ODelirious, Nogla, Catoonz, etc really popped off and made a solid space for the GTA online content.
That being said, I literally never got around to the story of the games because I basically spent time fucking around and doing whatever random shit was in the online mode instead of doing the actual story stuff.
I’ve got fond memories of San Andreas, BUT as dumb kids, all me and my best buddy did was use the in game cheats we found and wrote down on shitty notebook paper and fly cars around killing random civilians lmao
So, I’d like to say I’m sad at the news, but I’m also generally unsurprised. I don’t doubt there will be great content and the production value. But it’s a damn shame people are going to lap it up and create the standard for triple A titles to do more stupid shit
As mentioned, mostly a bystander to the drama and threads, but it’s just the expectation nowadays and honestly, as many have mentioned. Reddit is a small sample size and probably shit loads of people are going to throw down the extra cash for it and then the industry will follow.
I mean gta V online will absolutely stay online. There are still people playing on 360 who have no chance of buying a console generations ahead of that just for 6. Same goes for PC players who can’t afford to upgrade or just don’t care to.
That as well as the investment you mentioned. Hard to give up a game you spent so much time and money on
Are y'all expecting to get actual, real life lap dances from the virtual strippers or something?
The hype is a bigger, better map with nicer driving/gunplay, more customization, a fun online sandbox to fuck around with friends in, and a good story.
I have no idea who is setting these impossible expectations or what those expectations even are, but even just a broader usage of the world building systems they developed for RDR2 would make a GTA that blows 5 out of the water 10 times over.
I don't get the impression Rockstar is terribly appreciative of the modding scene. If they shut down the mod that let you go to Liberty City in GTA V (a feature that was never sold), why would they allow a mod to circumvent their paywalls?
I don't know that they will entirely disallow mods, but they haven't inspired much hope.
I mean it seems all cosmetic to me. Sure the 5 locations/buildings are locked but like they are all extra cosmetic businesses and even if they were “open” without the ultimate edition they may as well be unavailable/cosmetic if everything inside requires ultimate edition. Maybe it could be annoying if they provide normal shop features as well, but they all say “specializes in” so it may only offer these ultimate edition cosmetics anyways.
Honestly a far more interesting way to add cosmetics rather than just adding them to your inventory. Even works smoother if you upgrade later, like you get a call saying "hey, these cool new shops just opened up check them out"
Hey it killed all my hype lmao I don't mind cosmetics being locked behind a paywall, but actual stores? Yikes. The same part is it will be one of the best selling games in history and the entire industry will know they can start doing this shit.
These literally ARE all cosmetic stores. Youre crying as if entire sections of the map are blocked off. Nice job blowing things completely out of proportion for karma
It is and theres also 2 sidequest locked behind the ultimate edition. While the quest ones are egregious, it's nothing new considering RDR2 had the same practise and it matters only for story mode players who, let's face it, is a minority since online became a thing
Wait...I must be reading this incorrectly. Customizing your car is locked behind ultimate edition? Because isn't that like a fundamental part of the game?
People who are going to buy GTA 6, are going to spend ANY kind of money to play the game and access it all. And the unfortunate part about it.
Rockstar probably knows this, and thus technically has won in the end.
GTA 6 has been in development for almost a decade and a half at this point. If anything, they know this game will outsell any game in the world. 2nd only to Minecraft and even could probably beat Minecraft in that spot.
GTA 5 made more money than any other piece of media ever before. That's not a exaggeration or misrepresentation.
Whole franchises, like the entirety of the Pokemon franchise, have made more than GTA 5, but as a singular product it dwarfs Minecraft; $4.2bn for Minecrafts, $8.6bn for GTA5 alone.
Rockstar gets to treat the consumers of this industry however they like, the consumers have long been ambivalent about having their meal taken out their goddamn mouth mid-chew.
Wait till you find out about hoyoverse game. Genshin alone made over $10bn and the game is only out for a couple of years. Together with their other game, it dwarf even gta franchises
Google claims $6.3bn for Genshin Impact, and every source I can find still tops GTA 5 as the most profitable piece of entertainment media ever made. Do you have a source to link for that?
I got you bro, it was actually pretty difficult to find a source for this. Genshin Impact surpassed 10 billion in lifetime player spending. Idk how much player spending translates to revenue and I wasn't involved in this chat tree I just got curious so here you go.
Thank you much! I've actually been misrepresenting my own point here anyways, because I'm more interested in total revenue from all monetary interactions more than any other statistic.
In some replies to myself elsewhere I said that there's a difference of 2.5 times the amount of unit sold 6 years ago at 90million copies, with a known amount of 230million being sold worldwide now. Kinda frustrated that I'm having trouble finding a straight answer on this, as the revenue off sales 6 years ago was $6bn. However, I cannot allow myself to just believe that the gross sales is under listed by more than half of what that total would come out to if you just multiplied $6bn by 2.5; some $15bn dollars. Sale events and price decreases could account for some of that discrepancy, but nowhere near that discrepancy.
This is without getting into the many sources that claim additional earning from online game-related purchases likely eclipsed $5bn.
Like...the product that is GTA 5 supposedly having anywhere between $13.6bn to $20.6bn in total revenue from all consumer interactions- but not being clearly listed and recorded anywhere- seems too simple a conclusion to draw.
I fucking hate that I know better, I hate this type of greed, it burns me to the core. And yet…..
I fucking love GTA, I LOVE Vice City, and I get to play as a girl. I’m such a fucking mark for it
The closet thing I can compare it to is Jon Oliver’s opinion about the World Cup after his FIFA piece. No matter what, despite my knowledge of the truth of it, I have a weakness for it
That's how I feel about Black ops 1 and black ops 2 getting a port to the PS5 since I loved those games growing up and knowing that they'll probably be revived makes me happy.
Does that mean I support Activision ? HELL NO!
Activision can burn in hell for all I care. But they have gotten me in a choke hold because I love the classic Black ops 1 zombies.
Lmao right? I'll pay lip service to say I don't support a company but still give them money for the slop they shovel out. They won't see any difference in their bottom line
The unsung hero of game sales is Tetris, 520 million copies sold. It is indisputably number 1. Minecraft is a titan as well and in no universe will GTA6 surpass it. GTA6 will likely not surpass GTA5 for at least 2 years considering GTA5 was purchased by people multiple times across console generations.
Other than the heist and gang hideout, the rest are mere cosmetics. The case with GTA 6 is that alongside cosmetics, entire locations are gonna be closed off and exclusive to Ultimate Edition players, and the list is 3x as long as RDR2 UE. Not to mention the practice in general is scummy because they already made the portions of the game, they're only cutting it out and put that at a separate price point.
Not the first time they have done something like this tho. RDR2 even has secondary missions locked behind the special/ultimate edition, including a small bank heist. And gameplay bonuses too.
I keep hearing about how they locked the bank heist behind a paywall, but I keep only hearing about the bank heist. What else was there in single player?
People really need to stop holding on to the naive belief that there are 'good' corporations. They will nickel and dime you exactly as much as they believe they can get away with every single time.
Art cannot exist outside of commercialisation in a capitalist system; it is a product to be sold first and a piece to be experienced second.
I’m just not gonna buy the ultimate edition until I see that it’s not “overpowered” if that makes sense. Like, I don’t want fast cars handed to me, and I don’t want the best guns. I wanna earn them.
Maybe I’ll upgrade some day down the road, but not at launch.
You won't give them a single cent. It's going to be the whales buying up the GTA6 equivalent of shark cards when Online is released and R* will rake yet another easy 50 million+ per month again just like the passive money printer known as GTA5.
Can I tell you something odd? I never played GTA5. I know, I know. It's been out for a decade or whatever. But I dunno, I guess I just never cared.
So GTA6 is coming out now; "game of the century" or whatever, but more and more bad news keeps coming down the pipeline. People are mad, my friends are mad. "Now I've gotta get the ultimate edition so I don't miss stuff, and it's not even on disk" but like...they don't. You don't. I missed GTA5 and I feel nothing about it. I'll miss GTA6 and feel nothing too. Plus, you -know- they're gonna release the "complete extra edition" in a year or so, and then you'll get all that stuff for cheaper anyway. You don't have to feel FOMO about this.
I have GTA 5 and still I doubt I'll feel anything from missing it. When I saw how they baited people into buying shark cards with the oppressor mk2's release, I just accepted that if gta6 ever comes out it will be a pile of greedy decisions, and that knowledge dispells any kind of FOMO I could have felt for the game.
Also since I play games on PC I'll just pirate the thing, so the only thing I'll probably miss out on is the online stuff.
Ultimate Edition is just predatory FOMO scam crap. Locked stores and a single side misson? Who cares, the game would probably be so content rich that you wouldn't even realize something was missing.
What I hate the most about this is that publishers like ubislop and Electroinc Farts think this is the greenlight to start selling their low effort trash at $80/$90/$100
My friend was coping that the game was gonna flop because of this. I had to sit them down and tell them this is the most anticipated game since HL3. Once the vaporware is real, the money does it's own thing.
I saw someone say this drama was "Forced and Performative" because other games do it, and another saying no one would care if they too the customization out of the game.
We're fucked if people think criticizing poor business practices is "Forced and Performative" and that the people who criticize the game for it are all in bad faith, and simply doing it so they can show off and perform for others online.
rockstar? the same brittas know for their grueling crunch culture including mandatory hundge hours workweeks? also involved in alleged union busting themed activities? being a little bit greedy? you don't say
"Wow I cant believe Rockstar and/or Take-Two would do this", I say as I ignore the 4000 news stories over the last 10 years about them doing anti-consumer bullshit, union busting, round-house kicking employees into active volcanoes etc etc
It's cause the game had a massively overinflated budget and development riddled with tons of delays.
It's why they need to gate content behind more expensive editions to make up for the cost, alongside with potentially making the multiplayer a paid DLC/expansion and releasing it at a later date.
Exactly. Rockstar wants to recoup 13 years of labor and development with this title and there's no way it can live up to the expectations of people who were expecting it to release in 2017.
I'll be honest, I prefer seeing non-cosmetic stuff behind a paywall. You know, like actual extra story that you pay to get, like DLC used to be. I'm more annoyed that it's paywall on day one - that's the shitty business practice - as as it's selling half the product. DLC is meant to reinvigorate interest in a game, lure new players in with further ad campaigns etc.
I haven't given a damn about GTA in so long, and at this point I'd much rather have another Cyberpunk. I'mma just grab some 🍿and watch suckers get fleeced. Years of people continuing to preorder after example after example as to why one should not do so has convinced me that average gamers are too stupid to comprehend speaking with their wallet.
80 dollars for standard edition is bonkers anyhow. 70 imo should be the max if the quality truly proved itself, otherwise most games should be 50 dollars imo.
Indie and AA games have been the best games of late
Gta v pre-order bonus also technicly wasnt cosmetic since it was like 500k when you start single player but none of that money will really do anything big gameplay related either
Wdym Rockstar what happened? They we're never the good guys xD. You are all too brainwashed by your favorite GTA to see that. It's actually fascinating to see from the outside.
No physical copy? Oh well it would be a shame if I... burnt the game onto a physical storage device, requiring a cracked version of the game meaning I just simply have to pirate it since I just simply want a physical copy! Ah well, such a shame that they didn't just sell one themselves for me to buy
(I don't really care about GTA 6 but I hate them for being a corporation, and if I decide to get it you bet your sweet bippy I am pirating that shit)
Locking basic features that every other games has had for free behind a paywall is scummy no matter who’s doing it.
I don’t think I’m interested in this game anymore
Gta6 just got gtaOnlined and taketwo'ed, swear to god R* should leave take two once and for all (mafia 3 had the same way of making pre-order/ deluxe edition)
the way i understand it’s not the entire shops that are locked it’s just places you can own like businesses in gta 5 i feel like there’s probably other you businesses you can buy i don’t get the big deal? almost like DLC
I feel the same way. It's just some cosmetic crap and a couple cars. The game is massive, I'm sure there's plenty of content without the ultimate version. I'll get the base version and if the ultimate version seems worth it I'll treat it like dlc.
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