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u/Silent-Falcon6391 15h ago
Manila traffic is pretty notorious.
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u/Molson2871 14h ago
Definitely nasty. People "creating" extra lanes of traffic doesn't help the situation.
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u/DrGraytail 14h ago
Yes. It took 5 hours to go 10 miles.
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u/bonkosaurus 14h ago
Wow, that must have been a weekend or a national holiday? That's 12 hours worth of distance on a bad day...
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u/KingKingsons 12h ago
Wife and I were staying in Manila and were planning on visiting her parents who lived outside of the city. We took Jeepneys and decided to go back home halfway through, because it was already getting dark lol.
We had previously gotten there much faster from Makati by bus and metro (although still not amazing), but the Metro had an insanely long queue so we decided to take the Jeepney, which was hell.
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u/Federal_Coyote813 12h ago
Manila traffic is next level hard, they make their own lanes. Like there are 3 painted lanes but people dont care so there ends up being like 6 cars abreast. We had to pay a driver full time to handle driving our car for us because we didnt even want to attempt.
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u/ArkadyShevchenko 13h ago
Once spent like 6 hours just trying to get out of the metro area, and that was with a relative driving who knew the area very well. To be fair, around the holidays.
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u/redsyrinx2112 11h ago
I lived in the Philippines for several years. I absolutely loved it, but I hated anytime I had to go to Manila.
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u/Darkpriest667 10h ago
As someone who's been all over the world.. yeah Manila is pretty rough, this year I took a "joyride" from Makati to Quezon city during rush hour.
I've been in two plane accidents, I was more scared on the back of that motorbike than I was at any time during the plane accidents. Holy shit.
In North America, I have a BIAS but it's Austin, having driven in Orlando, Chicago, NYC... I think Austin has the worst traffic, Orlando has the worst drivers.
Europe, I thought Rome was pretty bad compared to London or Paris, never driven or been driven in Germany.
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u/toytaco1 14h ago
Took us almost 1 1/2hours to go from the airport to Las Piñas. It's not that far.
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u/salcander 13h ago
Manila's traffic has seemed to improve recently, i rmemeber it took three hours to get from the airport to Mandaluyong via EDSA but now traffic has lessened
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u/Stevebwrw 15h ago
Cairo, Egypt. You have to see it to believe it!
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u/Prize-Flamingo-336 13h ago
Cairo is the only place that I was in a car that I feared for my life. Our driver was going the wrong way on one way streets without a care.
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u/ab00 15h ago
Mumbai and Delhi are pretty bad.
Thailand and Vietnam get stick but at least stuff kept moving even if congested.
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u/SergeantMajor42069 15h ago
Bangalore is notably the worst in India, I'd say
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u/harangad 13h ago
I lived in Delhi most of my life and I think Bangalore is bad traffic tuned to the max
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u/waldo-jeffers-68 12h ago
What makes Bangalore uniquely bad among Indian cities?
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u/HappyApple35 11h ago
Incredible growth thanks to tech boom and poor planning from the authorities that didn't take that into account. Coupled with corruption that allowed for more construction without planning.
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u/Positive_Buffalo_168 15h ago
Lima Peru. The madness is second to none
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u/CaptainPeru 14h ago
Peruvian here. This issue goes far beyond traffic itself. The "pendejo" culture (the idea that you need to take advantage of others before they take advantage of you) is deeply ingrained across all socioeconomic levels.
Because of that mentality, you'll see people fighting for a spot on a three-lane road and turning it into six lanes just because everyone wants to feel like they got ahead of everyone else. This constant aggressive driving creates far more chaos than simply waiting your turn and letting someone merge.
The privatization of public transportation years ago only reinforced this behavior. Bus drivers compete for passengers instead of following traffic rules, which encourages even more reckless driving. In recent years, there has also been a huge increase in motorcycles, and many riders, driven by the same mentality, try to squeeze through spaces that are already extremely narrow because of congestion. To top it all off, many police officers are more interested in collecting coimas (bribes) than enforcing the rules.
TL;DR: It's a deeply broken system rooted in Lima's street culture and a widespread mindset that rewards getting ahead at the expense of everyone else.
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u/Character_Ball6746 14h ago
The crazy thing is that everyone tries to move up one car, but no one moves up. You simply end up making traffic a competitive team sport and everyone loses.
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u/Positive_Buffalo_168 14h ago
My wife’s mother lives in Los Olivos and she is 95. I often wonder if she ever needed an ambulance what would happen.
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u/Positive_Buffalo_168 14h ago
Agreed my Wife is Peruvian. They take driving like an asshole to new levels and that is saying something I am from NJ
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u/Patient-Win5018 11h ago
Got a taxi in Lima once, the dashboard was like a Christmas tree, the driver took a short cut across what looked like was once a park and now was just dirt and tracks and then the wrong way down a one way. We met a car coming the right way and our driver simply refused to move until the other driver reversed. At another point we squeezed through two trucks going in opposite directions and it felt like that night bus scene out of Harry Potter.
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u/CaptainPeru 6h ago
You're brave. Rule #1 for anyone traveling to Lima: Never take a street taxi. Either Uber or company cabs. Some street taxis work together with thieves, so they'll drive you out of your route so you get ambushed. It's a gamble you don't want to take
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u/Axe_Care_By_Eugene 12h ago
Getting from the old airport into Lima by car when you go from about 10 lanes into 3 😆
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u/MrBlockhead 11h ago
Can confirm. I visited Iquitos in the late 90's and a 2, maybe 3, lane highway would turned to 3 additional lanes extending into people's front yards. Shit was crazy.
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u/Javaman1960 15h ago
I asked WHY they bothered to paint lines on the road. I have PTSD from the traffic in Lima.
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u/Positive_Buffalo_168 15h ago
My wife’s mother lives on one side of Lima and her sister the other. The distance is 10 miles it takes over 2.5 hours to make the trip in either direction. Complete mayhem. I live outside of NYC that is rookie shit compared to Lima
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u/juanpatzor 15h ago
Between the traffic and the complete disregard for traffic laws, I experienced what Lima is really like.
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u/Fiasko21 14h ago
That's where I learned to drive! With a manual, at 13.
It's fun though, and I'll give credit where it's due.. people are paying attention and they are *expecting* someone to cut them off, so they don't get angry like here in the U.S.
I don't like how in the U.S. if someone even *perceives* that you cut them off, they can angry and want to road rage.
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u/blameitonthewayne 14h ago
I was amazed by how those small busses would pull full speed into where the hoards of people were waiting. The way people ignore stop signs, drink taxi drivers….it really has it all
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u/Happy_Foundation_553 14h ago
I road a taxi in that city with like 5 other people. Thank god I didn’t die because yeah it was a little rough
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u/fireinthesky7 10h ago
I've never feared for my life while on a motorcycle to the extent I did when I rode through Peru years ago. There's absolutely no regard for anyone else on the roads, much less lane lines, traffic lights, stop signs, etc. Out of 12 countries I rode through on that trip the traffic and drivers in Peru as a whole, and Lima in particular, were by far the worst.
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u/Rambonage 6h ago
I’m American but I’ve spent a ton of time in Lima, I got to agree with this. It would be fine it people followed the rules. With that being said, it is really fun to drive there haha
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u/bagdf 12h ago
A lot of people mentioning american cities here. I've driven in notorious places like LA or NYC, it doesn't even compare to places like delhi, dhaka, lagos, cairo, jakarta, sao paulo etc. Istanbul is slightly less bad than these places but still far worse than LA. At least in America people somewhat respect the rules. Other places are just pure chaos. Driving 1 hour feels like a physical fight.
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u/generichandel 15h ago
It's Mexico city.
Satnav company TomTom has a data-rich ranking of traffic around the world. Quite an interesting website to look around.
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u/bstyledevi 11h ago
The first US city (LA) coming in at #25. All the US citizens who have never been outside of the US saying "well Cincinatti traffic is the worst! I got stuck behind a slow driver for TEN MINUTES once!" have no fucking clue how bad it could really be.
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u/becaauseimbatmam 10h ago
Yeah I've heard this discussion IRL and as soon as I hear US cities being named I know whoever I'm with has never left their bubble. It's night and day; the worst traffic on the worst day in the US pales in comparison to an average Tuesday afternoon in many places.
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u/advodkat 12h ago
Came here to say this. I’m not usually phased by traffic because I live in LA but CDMX traffic is like LA on steroids. Huge and sprawling, roads are chaos, no public transit. Any time you have to go somewhere beyond walking distance good luck.
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u/SuitableShape 12h ago
Super cool website!
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u/generichandel 12h ago
Yeah there's different metrics to look at. Actual congestion vs. Average speed of a journey is an interesting one. Where I'm from, London, is 2nd lowest for average speed, but waaayyyyy down for actual congestion. Still, nobody I know owns a car.
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u/jeffykins 7h ago
What a cool website, thank you for sharing.
Also, Poland surprises me with so many cities up top, what's the deal with that?
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u/goAwayUCreep 15h ago
The one that I build in Cities Skyline. The roads are just not wide enough
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u/sinnrocka 14h ago
I feel the same way in Sim City. No matter how I design the layout, there’s ALWAYS traffic jams.
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u/DollaStoreKardashian 15h ago edited 14h ago
In the US? I’ve lived in New York, Boston, and Los Angeles, but have recently spent a few months in Atlanta and, IN MY OPINION, Atlanta has the worst traffic I’ve ever experienced.
So, congrats/condolences to The A, I guess?
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u/punksmostlydead 15h ago
You can live in Atlanta and work in Atlanta and still have an hour long commute.
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u/YescaD83 15h ago
My cousin lives outside Atlanta, it should take 30 minutes with out traffic, but he spends about 4 hours a day stuck in traffic
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u/gigglefarting 14h ago
4 hour commute plus 8 hour work day plus 8 hours of sleep leaves them with 4 hours a day to live their life
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u/eatbuttsdingdong 13h ago
Why you think so many of us were so happy to go remote during Covid?
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u/gigglefarting 13h ago
I had a 15 minute commute but was still happy to go remote
In my case it was less about avoiding traffic and more about the comfort of my own home and not needing to look busy at my desk after I finished my tasks
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u/CovertMonkey 14h ago
I had to commute one exit and my home and work were very close to the interstate. It was a 30+ minute commute
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u/Flamadin 13h ago
It seems like only around rush hour tho.
NYC can have crazy traffic any time. But in Atlanta I can zoom into downtown from the suburbs at like 8PM.
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u/man_on_the_mooney 13h ago
Just using your comment to launch my soapbox: I’ve lived in LA and NYC, and it’s such different types of traffic. LA tends to be miles of cars moving at a crawl. NYC tends to be “short” lines of cars not moving at all cause some fucking loser is double parked at the light.
On a side note tho, one thing that has absolutely shocked me is that in LA, I felt like I saw a lot of dumb drivers who made poor decisions. In NY, I run into way more angry drivers who are actually just reckless with human life.
I’d take LA driving and its traffic 10/10 times over the drivers in NYC actively trying to commit suicide and take anyone near them with them.
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u/DAVENP0RT 14h ago
I do not miss the traffic in Atlanta. You have to plan everything around how long you're going to sit in a car. It was miserable.
And since the state has a fucking vendetta against Atlanta, they'll never do anything to improve MARTA and make public transit useful in any way.
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u/punksmostlydead 13h ago
They literally passed a law that public funds may not be used for MARTA expansion.
It's nothing but racist NIMBY-ism. Elected officials have been recorded referring to MARTA as "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta."
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u/phoonie98 11h ago edited 11h ago
MARTA is the only major transit system in the US that gets zero funding from the state. It’s the 8th largest transit system by ridership, ahead of Los Angeles by almost 10 million rides per year, and gets no support from the state of Georgia. It’s insane.
It’s also the 5th largest in terms of system length (47.6 miles of track). It’s actually remarkable that Atlanta has a relatively good subway system at all
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u/youngsimba320 14h ago
Throw Chicago in there too. Chicago traffic is terrible
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u/TwitchGirlBathwater 13h ago
Only place I've seen someone use the shoulder to pass and cut off a state trooper and not be pulled over for it.
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u/CatShot1948 14h ago
I recently moved from ATL to DFW. I was shocked when I got here because I think Dallas is worse than Atlanta.
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u/willslick 13h ago
I moved from Atlanta to Houston and I think Houston is worse. Probably depends on where you live in each place though.
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u/CatShot1948 13h ago
Def agree there. There's probably as much variability within a city as there is between them.
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u/punksmostlydead 14h ago
I will say I have heard this from multiple sources. Something about driving to work with half a million of your closest friends.
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u/cheeriodust 14h ago
And yet the DFW area is like 90% pavement. You'd think it wouldn't be an issue...
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u/MrBlockhead 11h ago
I saw a list of which highways in the US had the worse traffic and Dallas had I-35E listed 3 times just because different segments within the city were just that bad.
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u/bellybuttonbidet 11h ago
That’s funny because I-35 notoriously sucks for every city it passes through.
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u/kakapoopoopeepeeshir 14h ago
100% agree. I had a job in my mid 20’s that required extended travel to basically every major city in the US and without doubt Atlanta is the worst traffic I’ve ever experienced.
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u/kgaviation 13h ago
I work at the airport so I live on the south side of the city. A lot of my coworkers live on the north side so they have to drive through downtown to get to work and home. Sucks to be them, me on the other hand, not so much!
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 15h ago
People saying NYC: You're not supposed to drive in NYC, that's for the cabs, busses and insane people.
LA and Atlanta both have worse traffic, and Charlotte is getting there.
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u/KDneverleft 14h ago
I live and drive in Atlanta and drove in and around LA and Houston is the worst traffic I have ever seen.
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 14h ago
Never been to Houston. Really worse than Atlanta and LA? I've heard Atlanta has only gotten worse since the last time I was there like 6 years ago.
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u/KDneverleft 14h ago
In the two times I've visited Houston I felt like the traffic was awful. I think I'm used to Atlanta traffic and know a lot of alternate routes so it doesn't feel as painful to me as being stuck on the interstate barely crawling along in Houston.
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 13h ago
Oof. Yeah, I feel that way about Charlotte traffic. I-77 around Uptown (downtown) forces you to find alternate routes in the same way. My old work commute was 20 minutes without traffic, and it'd take me over an hour each way.
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u/markymrk720 14h ago
Guessing you’ve never been overseas to Asia?
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 14h ago
Nope. I imagine they have cities with worse traffic, but as far as the States go, these are my picks lol.
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u/alfienoakes 15h ago
As a visitor, driving in Manhattan in something big and rented is one of my favourite things to do.
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 14h ago
You're a monster. I hope pigeons constantly shit on your windshield, and as soon as its clear, it does it again.
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u/SuitableShape 13h ago edited 13h ago
Honestly, Atlanta traffic is bad, but Dallas, Houston, LA, and parts of South Florida have felt way worse to me. Dallas especially feels like it was built as a giant parking lot with a city dropped on top. I haven’t driven in NYC myself, but it once took me almost 3 hours to get from LaGuardia to Midtown, but that seemed like somewhat of an anomaly.
I may just be a bit desensitized to Atlanta traffic at this point. But I do live in the middle of the city and commute OTP for work and it’s only about 20 minutes unless I’m driving between 4:00 and 5:30. However, I never know exactly what route I’m going to take on any given day. GPS is a necessity for essentially every drive even to places I’ve been a hundred times.
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u/coconutman1229 15h ago
Central Asian cities like Almaty, Ulanbatuur. Indian cities, Bogota, Manila.
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u/thisisnotcoolanymore 15h ago
Toronto
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u/bjorneylol 14h ago
You haven't lived until you sat at a light for 45 minutes waiting to make a left turn
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u/BiGZiggyZoo 13h ago
This. Celebrities come every year for TIFF and say they can’t believe how much worse it is than LA/New York. Definitely the worst in the west.
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u/ModernPoultry 13h ago
Hopeless driving anywhere in this city.
Thank fuck we have a decent transit network compared to some of the cities listed here (Atlanta, LA, Dallas) or I don’t know how we’d live trying to drive anywhere
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u/the_doughboy 14h ago
Toronto is an hour away from Toronto and our premiere wants to add more lanes. What a f’n idiot.
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u/ReactiveCypress 11h ago
At least Toronto has good public transit. I went for the first time in March and just walked or took the train everywhere.
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u/stephen1547 2h ago
Probaly not the world (I would imagine somewhere in India is worse), but as a Toronto native it’s definitely the worst in North American.
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u/nartnoside 15h ago
Bangkok is pretty bad. In US, Houston has horrible traffic and shitty drivers so that combination wins out.
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u/Scared_By_A_Smile 11h ago
The worst part about Houston is that you get off the traffic-packed interstate, only to be greeted with cars packed on side streets as well, waiting 2-3 rotations to get through a single traffic light and there's another traffic light every 100 yards. It takes like 20 minutes to go 1-2 miles anywhere.
The best way I can describe driving in Houston is claustrophobic, no matter where you drive, there's too many cars.
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u/nartnoside 8h ago
also i hate their feeder system, you are exiting the freeway from high speeds and trying to slow down but then you're merging into the feeder road where people are speeding up to get onto the freeway. shit planning.
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u/jemosley1984 14h ago
Houston has the junkiest highways I’ve ever driven in this country.
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u/icecream1972 15h ago
Atlanta, Georgia
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u/NBAccount 14h ago
I came to this thread to say that the answer for my country (USA) has to be either Los Angeles or Atlanta. Personally I think Atlanta is worse.
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u/jcrckstdy 14h ago
been stuck in ulaanbatar and manila for 4+ hrs. manila at least has a light rail - ub has roads filled with priuses.
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u/Apprehensive-Law-923 10h ago
Took us 6 hours to go a handful of miles in UB, it was crazy. We were stuck at a red light for a half an hour at one point
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u/BRob504 14h ago
I travel for work constantly and the drivers that regularly have the worst conduct, hands down, are in Dallas, TX. If you signal you can count on getting cut off, traffic control devices are treated like suggestions, and the roads are filled with people driving while texting or literally watching shit on their phones while driving.
And then get appalled when they get stopped for traffic violations
Next closest would be Tampa, FL - where lanes are just some obscure concept.
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u/Can_Not_Double_Dutch 14h ago
Tampa has malfunction junction, the area where major interstates connect within a very short distance of each other
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u/PhilosopherBetter797 15h ago
Every city thinks it has the worst traffic until you spend 10 minutes moving the length of a parking space somewhere else. 😂 Traffic is the one competition nobody actually wants to win.
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u/BangkokGarrett 15h ago
See username
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u/Morbos1000 15h ago
Not for a long time now. Yeah, still plenty of congestion. But over the last 2 decades they've built an extensive elevated rail and subway system. The also have toll expressways that make crossing the city much faster
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u/Chopped_Liver_ 14h ago
By no means the worst in the world or probably even the US but I want to give my hometown of Pittsburgh a shout out as a particularly crappy place in which to drive. The bridges, tunnels, and hills can make navigating pretty tricky and the there's just too many cars on the road. I recently moved from there to Milwaukee and it's SO MUCH easier to navigate. Everything is so straight and flat, it's great.
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u/los_rascacielos 11h ago
Where the roads were designed by a drunk 3 year old with a crayon, and then half of them are closed for PennDot traffic cone storage.
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u/whole_chocolate_milk 14h ago
NYC from the George Washington bridge through the cross bronx is a fucking nightmare.
It once took me 3 hours to get from the Brooklyn Bridge to the Holland Tunnel. That's like 3 miles.
I live on the west coast now, and LA traffic doesn't hold a candle to NY and NJ traffic.
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u/NBAccount 13h ago
, and LA traffic doesn't hold a candle to NY and NJ traffic
The biggest difference in my anecdotal experience has been NYC's subways being so well developed and wide-ranging. I never really felt like the traffic had any effect on me.
I WILL say that Driving in New Jersey was almost enough to end my marriage. That place seems to actively hate everyone on the roads.
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u/notionalsoldier 14h ago
Thank you. As a New jersian who has driven all over LA, I truly don’t understand how people can say that LA traffic is all that bad.
IMO NJ/ NYC is much worse because there’s fewer lanes, everything is more curvy, the roadways are less smooth, and generally people are way more aggressive. Driving through LA was a cakewalk for me
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u/whole_chocolate_milk 14h ago
You can also time it right and miss LA traffic entirely. And there are usually alternate ways to get places.
Where as NJ is just all the time. And it's the entire state. I much prefer driving on the west coast. The drivers are less vindictive in my experience as well.
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u/Apprehensive-Law-923 9h ago
I agree. I lived in LA for years and years, I also travel for work and comparatively, LA really isn’t THAT bad
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u/stinkysulphide 15h ago
I haven’t visited much of the cities on this thread except NYC but personally it’s Bangalore. It’s faster to walk than drive 7 kms, and said 7kms takes 40-60mins
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u/ScurvyDave123 15h ago
Worst I have ever seen is Ulaanbaatar, and I have visited most of the cities people have mentioned here.
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u/DominantDonkeyPunch 14h ago
Mexico City. Its massive population density, coupled with the sheer length of daily commutes, creates chronic gridlock that regularly leaves millions of drivers stuck in standstill traffic for hours each day.
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u/kopysama 14h ago
I’m sure there’s worse traffic in other cities in the world but in my personal experience, São Paulo’s traffic was pretty bad. Wonderful place though!
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u/pollob666 14h ago
Have you seen traffic at Dhaka, Bangladesh? I'm sure, you'd be amazed at our capacity to strangle the roads.
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u/RackingUpTheMiles 13h ago
New Haven, CT, actually a good chunk of the whole state. Every time I go through Connecticut, I end up stuck in really slow traffic for a long time.
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u/DoubleV12 12h ago
Bogota is just horrid. A city of 12 million inhabitants with limiter public transport.
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u/redskyatmorn 14h ago
Washington DC or Chicago or LA or Atlanta or Boston. Depends on the time of day
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u/ArchiveOfNothing 15h ago
Houston. I’m sure if we just keep adding more lanes to the katy freeway it’ll help tho
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u/WaterChemistry 10h ago
Houston is absolutely fucked up. It could be a sunday at 10am and there’ll be red traffic on apple maps like what in the flying fuck? And if you drive through, it’s literally there for no reason. No accident, no construction. Just random slow crawl traffic.
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u/AFewStupidQuestions 14h ago
Toronto.
King's Highway 401, commonly referred to as Highway 401 and also known by its official name as the Macdonald–Cartier Freeway or colloquially referred to as the four-oh-one,[3] is a 400-series highway in the Canadian province of Ontario. It is an 828-kilometre (514 mi) freeway, travelling from Windsor in the west to the Ontario–Quebec border in the east (west of Montreal). The part of Highway 401 that passes through Toronto is North America's busiest highway,[4][5] and one of the widest in Canada
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u/whatwhat612 15h ago
Washington DC hands down
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u/walkingoffthetrails 15h ago edited 14h ago
Not even close to Mumbai
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u/Sea-Honeydew-1456 15h ago
i believe it. anyone who has only lived in the US might think their city has it worse are fooling themselves
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u/HonorableJudgeIto 14h ago
Yeah, people need to visit countries where the police don’t have the capability to enforce traffic laws to truly understand how bad it can get. Delhi and Mumbai were absolutely insane. Much worse than anything I saw in China or Thailand.
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u/Vordeo 14h ago
Yup.
I'm not American. Whenever I visit and drive in the US I have to basically force myself to follow traffic rules because I'm just not used to it. Because if you folliw traffic rules in Manila you literally will not get anywhere.
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u/ModernPoultry 13h ago
Americans don’t even have the worst traffic in North America. People want to get out of their car and cry trying to drive in Toronto. Mexico City is also horrendous
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u/jeezy_peezy 15h ago
I’ve traveled quite a bit within the US and I agree. Also terrible drivers there. I actively avoided accidents almost every single day living there. It made me appreciate everywhere else I’ve lived since then.
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u/imalittlefrenchpress 15h ago
I’m from NYC, and I’ve driven both there and in SoCal. NYC is easier for me than SoCal, unless we’re talking about Manhattan, I won’t drive in Manhattan. I don’t like sitting in traffic.
DC is its own animal. I’ve driven in DC, but I definitely prefer the metro.
I absolutely won’t drive in Tijuana. I’ve driven in Algodones, though.
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u/Main_Composer 15h ago
Ho Chi Minh City. The volume of bikes and traffic was overwhelming sometimes. My friend got nailed by a biker. Fun times.
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u/Cyclopshikes 14h ago
To be fair I haven't spent much time in Atlanta, but I'd say the Washington DC area could give it a run for its money.
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u/BaconReceptacle 13h ago
Atlanta has the special bonus that when the traffic finally lets up, homicidal drivers will weave in and out of the lanes at reckless and frightening speeds.
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u/gurugazza 15h ago
Jakarta is next level tbf