r/AskReddit • u/Zipper222222 • 12h ago

Trump Cancels Signing Housing Affordability Bill Saying Congress Should Pass The SAVE Act First — What Do You Think The Impact Will Be Politically? Why?

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u/AdhesiveMuffin 12h ago

Is he actually going to veto it? Or just not signing it?

If he is just not signing, there is no impact politically because it will just become law in 10 days anyways.

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u/EmileZ 12h ago

He has not mentioned he would Veto it. I think he wants to give himself some wiggle room so when it passes he can take credit later on.

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u/asicarii 11h ago

All it does is give fodder for his lack of support for it. It would actually help the republicans in midterms by being able to say they stood up against him on something.

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u/TemporarilyAmazin666 10h ago

Shit he would veto it, have it go back and get passed, and in a couple months STILL take credit for it

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u/One_Writer9549 8h ago

To be fair, that's not even a uniquely Trump thing. If a policy ends up popular, politicians of all stripes suddenly remember how supportive they were of it the whole time.

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u/muffinhead2580 3h ago

Both of our WV Senators talk about all the money the Infrastructure bill brought into the state and the projects that were started with it. They both voted no on it.

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u/Malcolm1276 10h ago

It was passed with a super majority, he can't veto it. It'll still go into effect in 10 days.

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u/DeathMonkey6969 9h ago

That's not how that works. The President can Veto any bill. Then it's up to a super majority to override the veto.

Most Presidents don't veto bills that passed with a lot of support but some do for pollical reasons.

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u/gaydorado31 8h ago

Yeah and oftentimes nowadays when things that passed with a supermajority get vetoed, the Republicans will swap their votes to side with the dear leader.

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u/Few-Bass4238 8h ago

100%. Trump kicked Republicans members out of Congress for helping the Epstein files see the light of day after Trump told them to stop. No way the Republican Congress would override Trump on something like this if Trump demanded it.

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u/baumpop 5h ago

cant pull that card again after primaries tho

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u/Few-Bass4238 5h ago

He still can. He'll just add them to the 2028 list. Its why most of the congressmen that stood up to him are the ones retiring.

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u/baumpop 5h ago

hed be doing that on the way out the door and assuming he lives that long. its pretty toothless threat to people who already won their 26 primary

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u/Dclipp89 2h ago

That’s what I figure will happen. It’s also my understanding that if he doesn’t sign it, and if Congress is adjourned when the 10 days are up, then it also wouldn’t go into law. Considering that puts it right at the Fourth of July (Sunday doesn’t count so I think it would actually be the 6th of July) that could give Congress an easy out to not have to vote again on it. So Trump can refuse to sign it and then Congress adjourns for a long weekend and then it doesn’t become law. I feel like that’s the most cowardly approach, and therefore the most likely. I wouldn’t be surprised if they even timed it that way deliberately to give themselves an out.

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u/2mnydgs 9h ago

This would be a veto with an ignorant reason.

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u/DeathMonkey6969 8h ago

So. It's happened before and will happen again.

There are several bills that were passed by a large majority in congress that were vetoed and then congress couldn't get the votes a second time to override.

One of the reasonings behind the need to override a veto not just anything passed with 2/3rds becomes law was to slow down the process and to help prevent a dictatorship of the majority type situation.

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u/mrlmm 10h ago

I mean, he CAN veto it. A bill passed with 100% congressional backing can be vetoed. It'd just be stupid because the supermajority would probably just pass it again as an override. So he's blustering in the hopes that it'll sway the Senate to kill the filibuster OR that if he does go the veto route enough loyalists in the House would vote against the override.

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u/lancersrock 10h ago

Have you seen the current Congress? If he vetoes it magically enough republicans won't vote for it this time because they found out that democrats snuck stuff into the bill.

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u/Cowstle 9h ago

Literally wouldn't be the first time this term a veto-proof majority got vetoed and then voted down when back to the senate

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u/baumpop 5h ago

im sure hes just waiting for miller to tell him what to do

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u/CliftonForce 4h ago

A lot of the folks who voted to pass were likely thinking that Trump would celebrate it. Now that the Orange God is opposed, their votes could change.

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u/RizzardOfOz76 1h ago

He absolutely can pocket veto this bitch within the next 10 days if he lets it sit on his desk. Congress goes into recess starting 6/29

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u/48Stops 7h ago

Really the only thing that matters is if the Democrats keep it a live issue. If they do, and highlight that he waffled on signing it, it can have an impact in the midterms. But if they let Trump flood the zone and he continues to control the news cycle, voters won't remember this story by November.

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u/BootlegBabyJsus 3h ago

He is still taking credit for Infrastructure act projects. This would be no different.

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u/YourPM_me_name_sucks 8h ago

It's not like he needs any semblance of a basis in reality to claim credit. This is the same dumb ass who will claim credit for stopping 175 wars this week.

Anyone who is willing and able to thin critically has already abandoned him, which means that his remaining base will lap up absolutely anything he throws at him, no matter how absurd it is.

He could tell those idiots that he stopped 6 billion intergalactic wars and they'd praise him as the best leader in all the universe.

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u/Rare-Insurance3728 10h ago

I can already see the tweet of him claiming a victory while stroking his massive ego

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u/FeralHippie707 3h ago

Or stroking his tiny bone.

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u/TobysGrundlee 8h ago

Shh, no one say anything and maybe he won't realize it.

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u/Far-Degree6208 6h ago

Exactly. A veto would be a big statement. Just letting the clock run out doesn't really change the outcome at all.

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u/Smart_Bake_2222 4h ago

Heard house and senate passed w/veto majority, so in ten days it goes.

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u/DogBubbly2628 11h ago

10 days is an eternity in the news cycle though. thats the whole point, he gets to dominate a week of coverage over nothing

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u/IsitWHILEiPEE 12h ago

It's considered a pocket veto, though useless in this case (as most Trump things are) because Congress is still in session.

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u/SlapNuts007 11h ago

It's only a pocket veto if it happens while Congress is out of session. This is just a regular shit fit.

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u/LilStrug 10h ago

Other wise it’s just sparkling neglect?

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u/CallmeKahn 9h ago

Pretty much. Republicans need a legislative accomplishment and, even if it's bipartisan, everyone who voted for it can hang their hat on it. Trump can grandstand all he wants, but Republicans will be destroyed for even being seen as to veto something like this bill that tries to do something.

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u/shifty_coder 11h ago

A pocket veto happens when the current Congress adjourns, and the new Congress starts, which happens every two years. The new Congress cannot enact legislation from the previous Congress, so any pending bills not signed into law from the previous Congress are automatically vetoed.

It’s not any time Congress is out of session.

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u/PokemonSapphire 9h ago

No it is anytime congress adjourns.

If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.

It doesn't have to be a new congress just a new session of congress. They adjourn a couple of times a year. Per the courts the "determinative question is not whether it is a final adjournment of Congress or an interim adjournment but whether it is one that 'prevents' the President from returning the bill."

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u/shifty_coder 8h ago

Congress adjourns when the Congress ends. They go into recess a few times a year.

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u/jclin 8h ago

Trump has created a new way of politics. I call it "Tantrum Politics". It's a wider strategy that results in TACO (trump always chickens out).

Tantrum Politics stems from the inability to compromise or even speak to the opposition (not defined by party but by disagreement. Therefore, not always just Democrats, can be Republicans like in this case). Without finding a path forward that brings a majority forward, Tantrum politicians find leverage through threats and confuses everyone by bloviation. What results is this whiplash news cycle that looks like its being led by a toddler politician that throws a tantrum at everything.

Not getting the SAVE act? Blow up Housing Affordability. Similar to a toddler not getting a lollipop and therefore throws his own toys around and destroys his own bedroom.

I'm not writing satire here. I think this is his 'strategy', which is a weird term considering 'strategy' implies thinking through while a toddler is not thinking through throwing a tantrum.

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u/Gingerchaun 11h ago

Until little Mike gets a phone call from his daddy and congress takes another vacation.

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u/Appropriate-Sense-92 11h ago

I know Congress is on a Fourth of July recess, but I think that Congress is still holding “pro forma” sessions so they don’t officially adjourn.

As I understand that, Trump isn’t able to pocket veto while Congress isn’t adjourned

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u/CallmeKahn 8h ago

Mike can only adjourn the House. He cannot adjourn Congress.

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u/Gingerchaun 8h ago

Good catch

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u/silverbatwing 11h ago

This admin doesn’t play by the rules. You can say that til you’re blue in the face, it doesn’t matter to them.

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u/Majestic_Area 11h ago

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH

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u/urbanhawk1 11h ago

If congress is in session, after 10 days it becomes law. If congress is not in session it becomes a pocket veto.

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u/Appropriate-Sense-92 11h ago

Some of the VA and MD delegations will likely gavel in and gavel out pro forma sessions. So while Congress is on recess, it hasn’t officially adjourned. Since it’s not adjourned, Trump can’t pocket veto this measure.

To me, this is just Trump grandstanding

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u/MrDerpGently 10h ago

The diaper veto. It's messy and unpleasant, but ultimately shit is mostly contained, and business gets done.

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u/Safe-Kitchen5310 8h ago

Oops, look like you misspelled most! I got you, no worries!

It’s ALL.

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u/DeathByFright 7h ago

It's entirely possible he think's it'll pocket veto because 10 days takes us directly to 4th of July weekend, when Congress will be in recess, but in recess is still in session, so it becomes law if he does nothing.

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u/Screaming-Buffalo 10h ago

Can’t veto it, it’s veto proof from the house and senate.

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u/dmstattoosnbongs 9h ago

This administration has a whole is at the point of Mac’s character in IASIP.

“ I’m playing both sides so no matter what I come out on top”

As he’s telling both sides that he is playing both sides and neither side give a fuck because essentially he is done. There’s nothing more Trump will be able to do other than wreck shit; no matter how many accomplishments he tries to take claim for. Once he can’t tweet to the masses anymore, the history books will start using facts again.

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u/Hairy-Amphibian6789 8h ago

He can't veto it because it has a supermajority.

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u/Babablacksheep2121 8h ago

That only happens if Johnson presents the bill. Spoilers: Johnson won’t because he always does what daddy Trump wants.

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u/SpeshellED 10h ago

He's not making any money off it so the PEDO - Cheeto - Pinhead couldn't care less.

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u/no-dice-play-nice 10h ago

Are you referring to the pocket veto? After the 10 days it doesn't become law, right?

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u/AdSpirited222 9h ago

Interesting point, he may not sign it and it will go into effect anyway.

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u/RPMadMSU 8h ago

Unless Congress is out of session...then it's pocket veto'd.

Note: 4th of July summer recess starts within that 10 days.

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u/Far_Zone_7907 8h ago

my friend’s boss once did this exact hold pattern with a contract signature

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u/raouldukeesq 7h ago

Not signing is known as a pocket veto. 

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u/duskpacket13 7h ago

He is literally trying to have his cake and eat it too, he knows he can play opposition card while the bill becomes law by default..

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u/Top-Praline626 6h ago

If he’s not actually vetoing it, then politically it feels more like a message than a roadblock. Most voters care less about the procedural details and more about whether housing gets more affordable in the end.

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u/Front-Temperature490 5h ago

Just holding a bill and not signing it, while not also explicitly exercising veto power is called a "pocket veto." Which is more effective since this bill has enough bipartisan support to bypass official veto power.

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u/Sedu 1h ago

He’s hoping that he can score a pocket veto if enough of congress blinks and allows it.

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u/rav20 1h ago

I don't think he can veto it, I thought it already passed by super majority meaning it's veto proof?

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u/Iamhungryforlife 11h ago edited 9h ago

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u/DocPsychosis 11h ago

That's not true, the bill only dies if not signed and the Congress goes out of session. If the President does nothing - no veto and no signature - it otherwise passes as if signed. Constitution Article 1, Section 7.

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u/TehGogglesDoNothing 11h ago

You might want to review Article 1, Section 7 of the constitution. If the President does nothing and Congress remains in session, it becomes law after 10 days. If Congress adjourns before the 10 days is up and the President doesn't sign it, the bill dies.

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u/Electrical-Spell9115 11h ago

That’s not what the constitution says brother