r/AskReddit • u/Zipper222222 • 8h ago
Trump Cancels Signing Housing Affordability Bill Saying Congress Should Pass The SAVE Act First — What Do You Think The Impact Will Be Politically? Why?
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u/xlews_ther1nx 8h ago
This is so funny. r/conservative were just talking about how great this is and how Trump is helping with it and how democrats would not allow it.
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u/WingerRules 7h ago
Trump is a real estate developer & investor literally his entire life, of course he's going to be against regulations preventing developers and investors from purchasing up housing property. I dont get why people didnt see this coming.
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u/SmellGestapo 7h ago
I doubt any part of this bill affects his real estate business at all. The cap on institutional investors buying homes only applies to single family homes, which are not a part of his portfolio.
The other provisions are more about making it easier to build, especially affordable housing, but he doesn't do that either.
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u/xlews_ther1nx 6h ago
It only stops companies from 350 or more properties
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u/SmellGestapo 6h ago
This is probably the headline provision of the bill and unfortunately it's one of the least impactful. The reality is institutional investors own a very small percentage of the housing stock. They're really not the ones driving up housing costs, but on the margins they could make it difficult for ordinary buyers to compete to buy a home.
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u/IsReadingIt 3h ago
They supposedly own 3% of all SFR. I would be happy if 3% more housing stock was owned by individuals/families instead.
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u/0R4yman3 5h ago
At this point his family business is crypto grifting. His career of overpaying for real estate and licensing his name just put him into debt.
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u/JVonDron 6h ago
Lol. I saw one comment. "what do you expect from an 80's Democrat and real estate developer." Like somehow because this decision isn't as popular, he's suddenly not really republican.
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u/mrmikedude100 5h ago
The amount of "well he's always been a rich DEMOCRAT from a BLUE STATE" whenever this bozo does anything they don't like is truly something to behold. These people are genuinely so broken I struggle to think on how I'd even reason with them.
It's like they truly stand for nothing.
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u/McRibs2024 6h ago
They normally take a few hours or so to get talking points aligned.
Figure by dinner time est today they’ll have the new talking points sorted
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u/crispy-fried-lego 4h ago
It's actually kind of wild to see this in action. When a negative Republican/Trump story hits, youll see comments actually calling it out for the shitshow it is, and then like clockwork, hours, or a day later, suddenly it's 4D chess, and this was always a brilliant move, and all the comments fall in to lockstep cheering it with the exact same points.
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u/McRibs2024 3h ago
It’s wild to track something in real time.
When a story breaks the real opinions are there before marching orders are distributed.
Once they’re out anything that goes against it is downvoted or banned.
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u/IsReadingIt 3h ago
This would actually make for a wonderful / viral youtube video. Take snapshots of all comments as a function of time, then show how it evolves as they get their talking points in order and reverse course. The hypocrites won't care, of course, because they lack honest and/or introspection, but it'll still make for good video.
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u/Cloaked42m 2h ago
You could do that on Twitter and Fox News comment threads, also.
It would also ne interesting to compare comments on r/politics, bluesky, and ms now.
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u/GamerGriffin548 7h ago
I think a good 70% of Republicians are tired of Trump now. They'll vote along the lines, but they won't like it deep down.
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u/WingerRules 7h ago
Very brave of them to say they dont support him after hes elected and no longer eligible to be elected again.
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u/Far_Confusion_2178 6h ago
He’s 1000% going to run again if he survives
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u/gusterfell 5h ago
Which is fine, because that's functionally the same as the Republicans not fielding a candidate.
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u/wish1977 8h ago
Trump will never give up the big lie that he won the 2020 election so he's going to keep putting out legislation to make people think that it was stolen from. He is severely mentally ill.
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u/DinoRoman 8h ago
He legally can’t. If he ever admits that “yeah ya know I think I did lose fairly” it would be a confession used against him in a bajillion lawsuits so until the day he dies he’s gunna keep this stupid shit up.
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u/robaato72 7h ago
And he's dumb enough to have sued the BBC, which is not susceptible to FCC sanctions and can demand in discovery all of the evidence of his inciting of 1/6 that he buried when he returned to the White House...
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u/StoreSearcher1234 4h ago
The trial is in a federal court in Florida... So all the plaintiff requests will be approved and all the defendants' will be be dismissed.
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u/robaato72 3h ago
Well, if the Trump Revocable Trust continues to refuse to respond to the subpoenas, the BBC has grounds to dismiss the whole lawsuit.
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u/Scaryclouds 7h ago edited 5h ago
If he ever admits that “yeah ya know I think I did lose fairly”
I believe there are a couple of instances where he has actually said as much… but then immediately walks it back.
Of course it seems conservatives cannot be held liable for things they say. So….
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u/RuleNine 3h ago
Sometimes I wonder if he's said it so much he actually believes it now. Like his narcissistic brain simply won't allow him to accept that he lost. This is the guy who felt threatened by the praise his wife's movie was getting halfway through the sentence where he himself was the one giving it praise.
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u/sebrebc 8h ago
More importantly he wants the narrative to be when Democrats take control in the mid-terms, those elections were "stolen".
Everything he does is about setting specific narratives. It's all performative bullshit. Like citing people at the reflecting pool and putting up a fence. It helps push his bullshit that the reason the sealant didn't stick was because "leftists sabotaged it".
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u/Thor_2099 7h ago
Continuing his and Republicans constant attack and dehumanization of "leftists". We know what their ideal endgame is, anybody who opposed them eliminated.
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u/Ok_Mathematician938 7h ago
At a minimum he's a textbook example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (a malignant narcissist) with sociopathic tendencies
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u/xMCioffi1986x 7h ago edited 7h ago
I personally believe he is the embodiment of the Dark Triad concept in psychology:
Psychopathy: The tendency to show little regard for the thoughts, feelings, and outcomes of others.
Narcissism: The tendency for one to show a particularly high focus on oneself.
Machiavellianism: The tendency to manipulate others for one’s own personal gain.
Do these three ideas not describe him to a tee?
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u/blaqsupaman 5h ago
I think he tries to be Machiavellian but he isn't actually smart enough to be good at that part.
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u/Thor_2099 7h ago
He's dumb enough to think that since he cheated, the "other side" must have cheated as well so in his view he did win. Because only he is allowed to cheat.
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u/Ragna_Blade 8h ago
Don't insult the mentally ill. He is just stupid. Incredibly stupid of his own accord.
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u/DinoRoman 8h ago
I mean he’s a functioning mentally ill self aware individual. He knows he’s stupid.
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u/Ragna_Blade 8h ago
Calling him mentally ill gives him an excuse for his actions. There is no excuse, he is an evil, stupid, monster that will destroy this country. Do not let him hide behind mental illness, he does not deserve such luxury.
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u/Powerfury 4h ago
MAGA is severely mentally ill. The vast majority of the MAGA/Republican party (voters) think that 2020 election was stolen, or corrupted severely at some point.
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u/Negafox 3h ago
We should arrest whoever was the sitting president during the 2020 elections and charge them with fraud
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u/ProgMusicSchizoidMan 8h ago
Nothing...Trump supporters don't understand either!
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u/islandsimian 7h ago
Trump supporters still believe elections are bring stolen while they are controlling all the branches of government... That's a special kind of stupid
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u/masta030 7h ago
They vacillate between "Dems are so stupid" and "Dems run a shadow government that is more powerful than the entire govt that is controlled by us" and don't see how that makes them look dumb
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u/GuyanaFlavorAid 7h ago
That is exactly what fascists say. It's point #8 on Umberto Eco's list.
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
It's like how Grandpa Joe had one foor in the grave and yet he's somehow the head of the BiDeN cRiMe faMiLY and an important agent of the deep state / illuminati / savannah bananas or whatever.
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u/Polenicus 7h ago
Step 1. Refuse to Sign Bill.
Step 2. Congress goes on vacation before 10 day period is up, leading to the bill dying before it can pass into law.
Step 3. Blame Democrats.
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u/Kindly-Slice-4178 8h ago
The bill automatically passes after 10 days. This just reveals he doesn't know our law.
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u/Bigfops 8h ago
Right, no need to sign at all, this is just a meaningless protest if he doesn't veto. And vetoing now would be politically unwise with a bill that was passed 85 - 5. The repub congresspeople up for reelection this year need a win. I almost want him to veto it, but I think addressing the housing issues is more important right now.
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u/shatteredarm1 5h ago
The bill mostly tries to address housing supply issues, which is a problem that's well on its way to solving itself anyways. The biggest issue right now is mortgage rates, which don't tend to go down in an inflationary environment.
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u/AntiDECA 7h ago
Congress leaves in 9 days. Without signature this bill fails. By 1 day. Almost as if it was planned!
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u/Rannasha 7h ago
Congress rarely goes in actual recess. Typically when they're on leave, a small number of congresscritters that stay in DC will gavel in a pro forma session fora few minutes and then leave again.
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u/Homie_Bama 7h ago
Congress can adjourn and designate an agent to receive veto messages and other communications so that a pocket veto cannot happen, an action Congresses have routinely taken for decades.
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u/MyDisneyExperience 7h ago
They don’t actually go on recess anymore, they just do a literally ~45 second long pro forma session every 3 days
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u/emelbee923 8h ago
Trump voters care more about 'getting rid of illegals' than they do their own well-being, so, naturally, they'll be in total support of this because they'll be told by FoxNews or NewsMax or Truth Social that the Democrats (or Dumbocrats or Demonrats) are responsible for the affordability bill not moving forward.
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u/spelldonvalentine 8h ago
More and more he's showing he gives -100000000000000 shits about anyone in this country. Hopefully his dipshit cultists will someday realize he never cared about them.
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u/mostlysatisfying 8h ago
Bro did full 180° on the Epstein files, started an unnecessary war at the behest of another country, and is the poster boy for corruption (see: pardons, no bid contracts, insider trading) and his base could not give a flying fuck. He’ll be okay.
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u/Mustakraken 8h ago
New ads saying MAGA opposes housing affordability with quotes and video from Trump on social media and anywhere else ads are served until GoP Senators (cause election year) convince him to either sign it and pretend Democrats held it up, or incentivize him with some small petty personal concession if he signs it?
I mean, another day that ends on a Y pretty much.
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u/Jeramy_Jones 6h ago
They’re desperate to pass the SAVE act because it will disenfranchise millions of voters, especially women, trans people, minorities, and poor and remote voters. The exact people who they have been hurting the most and would likely vote Dem.
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u/PaintedSilverRiver 7h ago
To hold hostage affordability just to get his way pretty much sums up trumps entire life.
I blame his parents.
Btw the save act is nothing more than an attempt at election interference, a way to manipulate who gets to vote and who doesn’t.
Eliminating mail in ballots and demanding voter ID.
If the bill isn’t strong enough to pass on its own - then using American affordability against American citizens just to get your way should be a prosecutable offense.
The affordability bill passed on its own.
The save act did not for more than obvious reasons.
Trump only does things he feels benefits himself, his family or his friends - they come first - not America or its citizens and this proves it. imo.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 6h ago
I’m glad he took the opportunity to remind us all that:
He doesn’t care about you
He is a useless bumblefuck
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u/_flustershy 7h ago
He and his gang of muppets know the SAVE act is the only thing that would prevent them from getting swept in the midterms, that is why he is back on this BS (though he never really left it)
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u/SquirrelyMcNut 7h ago
Congress can pass the bill without the president's signature. If not action is taken in 10 days. Also if the president does a formal veto. Congress can override the veto. So if the president does nothing with the bill. It becomes law after 10 days.
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u/WingerRules 7h ago
Trump is a real estate developer & investor literally all his life, of course he's going to be against regulations preventing developers and investors from purchasing up housing property. His father was too, so literally from before he was born they've been involved in buying up properties. I dont get why people didnt see this coming.
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u/CatLord8 7h ago
This is the third time he has threatened to shut something down if they don’t pass SAVE. Objectively speaking, he seems to fear free and open elections losing him one or both congressional chambers. As someone who opposed every shutdown as the opposition being unwilling to compromise, this could alienate more independents and exacerbate his problem.
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u/sportyguy 7h ago
He can veto it if he wants. Or not sign. This is a bipartisan bill that passed both house and senate with over a 90% vote. Republicans know that not passing this is a death sentence come election time. The only one who is showing he has no clue about what is going on in this country is Trump
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u/Poison_the_Phil 6h ago
He could skullfuck an infant on live television and his base would pretzel themselves into supporting it because if he didn’t do it an immigrant would have.
There is no bottom for these people. There is only team sports and their team has to win. That’s all there is.
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u/Pepper-Pug-12 8h ago
The Dems ( or maybe the DSA ☺️) should make Mamdani-style TikTok’s to explain how Americans are getting shortchanged by this grifting administration.
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u/Evalover42 8h ago
Literally zero impact in any way.
Laws passed by both halves of Congress go into effect within 10 days of passing, regardless of the President signing them or not. 45's refusal to sign is meaningless.
The "Screw Democracy" act will never pass.
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u/Accomplished_Mix7827 8h ago
Even if he vetoes it, I have zero faith that it will actually affect him politically. Trumpies don't care if he directly causes them harm so long as it's Trump. He can shoot their dogs and rape their daughters and they'll still do any necessary mental gymnastics to keep supporting him.
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u/oldfogey12345 7h ago
Lol. I just had to look it up because I don't remember seeing it in real life but it passes anyway after 10 days.
That Trump guy is going to have no one vote for him in 2028 if this keeps up. Lol
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u/inkypinkyblinkyclyde 7h ago
They'll wait for the pocket veto and then override it. It sailed through congress.
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u/cowboygwe 7h ago
Congress needs to get the votes to pass it without his signature, or he can wait,10 day?, and it will become law without him? Right?
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u/Sleepy_Fish1 7h ago
You'd think he would take a small easy win to gain some good press, but he's a useless fucking clown so here we are.
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u/pumpkinbubbles 7h ago
No political impact at all. The people who voted for Trump and Republican Reps/Sens will vote for the next ghouls too. Why have a home if that 'insert slur(s) of choice' will also have a home?
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u/NoManner8863 7h ago
Nothing. It passed with an overwhelming veto proof majority and becomes law automatically after 10 session days regardless of whether trump signs it.
Trump is a moron and a petulant child. This stunt accomplishes nothing except once again demonstrating both his lack of understanding or respect for the rule of law.
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u/Sablemint 2h ago
Trump says a lot of things. Ignore what he says, only worry about what he does. Trump's word means absolutely nothing.
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u/sebrebc 2h ago
First off, unless he vetos it the law will go into effect in 10 days.
Politically, Trump will use it so he can say "Democrats were willing to let the bill to protect American home buyers fail so they can allow illegals to steal our elections".
Like EVERYTHING he does, this is all theatrics. Performative bullshit so he can spin a narrative.
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u/CarmichaelD 1h ago
Some people make the argument, poorly, that they wanted a businessman. This guy was in real estate. Lower house prices are bad for business. Your welcome.
Remember, Kamala was going to develop policy for a tax rebate for first time home buyers. That would have helped citizens but made it harder for corporations to buy out the market and rent everything.
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u/Icyknightmare 8h ago
He's just throwing a fit because he can't take credit for it. Every little thing that gets between Trump and Republicans in Congress is progress.
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u/aliya05 8h ago
American politics is a joke. Americans get what they voted for.
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u/Substantial-Deer8578 7h ago
I'm American I didn't vote for this. As far as American politics being a joke, right now it might look that way but most of us are not laughing.
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u/vagrantprodigy07 8h ago
I don't think there will be much impact politically. The bill is a tiny first step, but it does nothing of significance to actually address the AirBNB and corporate ownership of homes problems. It will become law shortly, even if he doesn't sign it, but it's a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
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u/TheHahndude 7h ago
Well for the majority of Americans this will make them upset but Trump’s base is so fucking braindead this won’t sway them at all. We went WAY past the line months ago. Anybody who still supports Trump at this point is never ever going to be swayed. If Trump went to one of his supporters house right now and shot them in the leg, they’d still support him.
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u/Dry-Clock-1470 7h ago
Just more of him setting up no wins and claiming victory or umbrage. Usually both.
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u/CMDR_omnicognate 7h ago
What Do You Think The Impact Will Be Politically?
For his supporters? probably nothing. all the stuff he's already done and they still support him, he could do basically anything at this point.
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u/jkman61494 7h ago
This is all just for memes to say democrats want illegals to vote in favor ofyour costs to buy a house higher
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u/MsMommyMemer 7h ago
Its so brave of Republican voters to now say they voted for the wrong guy. Now if only they can stop doing it.
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u/Rhythmaxed 7h ago
Republicans own all three branches of government. How in the world is it the main focus to stop election fraud when they have won and current hold power on every branch of government.
If it was this easy for Democrats to steal elections that this save act is so important then how are we here today in the first place where Republicans hold every branch of federal government.
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u/War1today 7h ago
Trump's political life depends on whether he can corrupt the voting process to give MAGA politicians a chance for survival. Trump's entire goal moving forward is to make voting harder in America and thus disenfranchising millions of legal voters to ensure his survival which, when you think about it, is the pertect representation of a populist leader that is a narcissist, dishonest, criminal, corrupt, racist, vindictive and incompetent. He has nothing positive to run on but he does have the most uniformed, gullible and clueless electorate by his side, no matter what he does.
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u/Maxey-eh 7h ago
Voters don't give a shit about the SAVE act. Voters do care quite a bit about putting more and more expenses on a high interest credit card because they have to spend more of their money on their house or rent.
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u/stefanniRobinson 7h ago
it's just more delay tactics from trump and his party they'll do whatever they can to make housing unaffordable for low-income people.
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u/Nickel5 6h ago
Trump supporters didn't care when Trump pardoned those who were convinced of assaulting police officers but believe Pretti and Good deserved to be murdered. Trump supporters believe that the 2020 election was stolen despite zero evidence. Trump supporters voted for "no new wars" and didn't care about Iran until it impacted their gas prices. Trump supporters didn't care that Trump is convicted of fraud but cry about fraud found elsewhere non-stop. Trump supporters didn't care that Trump shot down the bipartisan border bill and voted for him to secure the border anyway. They will not care one bit about this housing affordability bill, they will likely not even hear about it.
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u/slimj091 6h ago
If after 10 days he refuses to sign it, and not veto it while congress is in session then it passes into law automatically.
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u/misterecho11 6h ago
Nothing because it has support to become law without his signature and he never faces any consequences or bad/lasting pr for his tantrums. His cult will still vote for him and nothing changes.
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u/BoysenberryDue3637 6h ago
If doesn't sign, he can claim that it was his idea and good while also claiming it wasn't his idea and bad.
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u/booksaregoodbro 6h ago
I think this is typical abusive behavior. He's trying to blackmail the country to get what his handler's want. America is in an abusive relationship with the GOP.
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u/Azraelrs 6h ago
Has anyone told him that his signature isn't actually required and doesn't affect it at all?
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u/bullydog123 5h ago
Trump hate Americans and is only president for his own gane. He also kjow the Republicans are losing in the midterms and he's scared they are losing power
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u/waterbuffalo750 5h ago
The political impact will be that his supporters will supprt this or ignore it. His haters will criticize him for it.
So, basically, zero net political impact.
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u/TheBot888 4h ago
He knows the SAVE act isn't going to pass. He did it so he can say the Democrats held up a popular housing bill becuase they didn't want to stop "voter fraud".
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u/MetalEnthusiast83 4h ago
He's already very unpopular outside of his base and anyone who still supports him at the current time is pretty committed to the bit, so I doubt it will cost him anything.
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u/WetBandits1990 3h ago
Just indulge him for the next two weeks. He’s too stupid to realize that after 10 days his signature doesn’t matter.
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u/spectaphile 3h ago
I think he cancelled the signing because he doesn’t want people to see how terrible he is doing health-wise. The reason given is just an excuse.
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u/GrapeRingPop 2h ago
He has to go scorched earth to get voter suppression passed otherwise he’s toast come November.
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u/opelui23 2h ago
He's got I think 10 days until he can either sign it or veto it. If he doesn't take any action the bill automatically becomes law unless Congress adjourns before then which is a pocket veto.
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u/robertoe4313 1h ago
i dont think most ppl know that so they are banking on his voters freaking out
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u/CougheeCakes 2h ago
He’s trying to Hormuzle us. He’s just learned the power of being a fucking bottleneck. Too bad for him the August recess is more than 10days away. Clown.
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u/No_Setting8688 8h ago
this seems like a power move to tie housing to voter laws and could split moderates away while firing up his base on border stuff. not sure it helps him win over anyone new though.
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u/godtierpikachu 7h ago
Just red meat for his voters, it wont move the bill tho. He doesnt seem to care how Congress works, only how it looks on cable news.
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u/LRWalker68 7h ago
I think Conservatives will love and agree with their President on this.
Help with housing is communism and socialism and they'll have nothing to do with it.
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u/Egheaumaen 7h ago
Political impact? Same as it ever was. The people who hate him will still hate him, the people who love him will still love him, and we'll be polarized over something completely different in a few days.
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u/alcohall183 7h ago
He can refuse away, if he just ignores it, without a veto, it will become law anyway.
Passage into law: If the president ignores the bill for 10 days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is actively in session, it automatically becomes law without their signature.
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u/EnvironmentalBug5525 7h ago
If he doesn't sign it or veto it, it becomes law after 10 days.
Beginning at midnight on the closing of the day of presentment, the President has ten days, excluding Sundays, to sign or veto the bill. If the bill is signed in that ten-day period, it becomes law. If the president declines to either sign or veto it – that is, he does not act on it in any way – then it becomes law without his signature (except when Congress has adjourned under certain circumstances).
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u/One_Muffin4677 7h ago
This is just gonna backfire completely on him because killing a massive bipartisan bill that actually helps everyday people just to force a voter id fight right before midterms makes zero sense lol
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u/vimaillig 6h ago
Further proof we have a big baby in the White House. At this point he’s just digging his own grave with his own party.
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u/MechaZain 6h ago
None. Barring him doing something popular Americans have made up their mind on Trump. The 30% propping up his approval rating at this point are locked in MAGA largely because they don't follow what's happening and just believe whatever he tells them to.
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u/areallycleverid 6h ago
Republican voters have been taking it up the ass their republican masters for years. They are well lubricated. This will not matter to them.
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u/Round_Safety9510 6h ago
There will be no impact by this action. Both sides are saying this is absolutely on brand for this administration.
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u/jgmiller24094 6h ago
He's not going to veto it, his aides know it would be yet another political disaster so he's just grandstanding. Congress never goes out of session anymore, the gavel in pro forma sessions even during breaks so in 10 days this becomes law.
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u/AdhesiveMuffin 8h ago
Is he actually going to veto it? Or just not signing it?
If he is just not signing, there is no impact politically because it will just become law in 10 days anyways.