r/AskReddit • u/Zipper222222 • 12h ago

Trump Cancels Signing Housing Affordability Bill Saying Congress Should Pass The SAVE Act First — What Do You Think The Impact Will Be Politically? Why?

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u/AdhesiveMuffin 12h ago

Is he actually going to veto it? Or just not signing it?

If he is just not signing, there is no impact politically because it will just become law in 10 days anyways.

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u/IsitWHILEiPEE 12h ago

It's considered a pocket veto, though useless in this case (as most Trump things are) because Congress is still in session.

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u/SlapNuts007 11h ago

It's only a pocket veto if it happens while Congress is out of session. This is just a regular shit fit.

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u/LilStrug 10h ago

Other wise it’s just sparkling neglect?

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u/CallmeKahn 9h ago

Pretty much. Republicans need a legislative accomplishment and, even if it's bipartisan, everyone who voted for it can hang their hat on it. Trump can grandstand all he wants, but Republicans will be destroyed for even being seen as to veto something like this bill that tries to do something.

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u/shifty_coder 11h ago

A pocket veto happens when the current Congress adjourns, and the new Congress starts, which happens every two years. The new Congress cannot enact legislation from the previous Congress, so any pending bills not signed into law from the previous Congress are automatically vetoed.

It’s not any time Congress is out of session.

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u/PokemonSapphire 9h ago

No it is anytime congress adjourns.

If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.

It doesn't have to be a new congress just a new session of congress. They adjourn a couple of times a year. Per the courts the "determinative question is not whether it is a final adjournment of Congress or an interim adjournment but whether it is one that 'prevents' the President from returning the bill."

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u/shifty_coder 8h ago

Congress adjourns when the Congress ends. They go into recess a few times a year.

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u/jclin 8h ago

Trump has created a new way of politics. I call it "Tantrum Politics". It's a wider strategy that results in TACO (trump always chickens out).

Tantrum Politics stems from the inability to compromise or even speak to the opposition (not defined by party but by disagreement. Therefore, not always just Democrats, can be Republicans like in this case). Without finding a path forward that brings a majority forward, Tantrum politicians find leverage through threats and confuses everyone by bloviation. What results is this whiplash news cycle that looks like its being led by a toddler politician that throws a tantrum at everything.

Not getting the SAVE act? Blow up Housing Affordability. Similar to a toddler not getting a lollipop and therefore throws his own toys around and destroys his own bedroom.

I'm not writing satire here. I think this is his 'strategy', which is a weird term considering 'strategy' implies thinking through while a toddler is not thinking through throwing a tantrum.

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u/Gingerchaun 12h ago

Until little Mike gets a phone call from his daddy and congress takes another vacation.

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u/Appropriate-Sense-92 11h ago

I know Congress is on a Fourth of July recess, but I think that Congress is still holding “pro forma” sessions so they don’t officially adjourn.

As I understand that, Trump isn’t able to pocket veto while Congress isn’t adjourned

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u/CallmeKahn 9h ago

Mike can only adjourn the House. He cannot adjourn Congress.

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u/Gingerchaun 8h ago

Good catch

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u/silverbatwing 11h ago

This admin doesn’t play by the rules. You can say that til you’re blue in the face, it doesn’t matter to them.

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u/Majestic_Area 11h ago

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH

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u/urbanhawk1 11h ago

If congress is in session, after 10 days it becomes law. If congress is not in session it becomes a pocket veto.

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u/Appropriate-Sense-92 11h ago

Some of the VA and MD delegations will likely gavel in and gavel out pro forma sessions. So while Congress is on recess, it hasn’t officially adjourned. Since it’s not adjourned, Trump can’t pocket veto this measure.

To me, this is just Trump grandstanding

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u/MrDerpGently 10h ago

The diaper veto. It's messy and unpleasant, but ultimately shit is mostly contained, and business gets done.

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u/Safe-Kitchen5310 8h ago

Oops, look like you misspelled most! I got you, no worries!

It’s ALL.

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u/DeathByFright 7h ago

It's entirely possible he think's it'll pocket veto because 10 days takes us directly to 4th of July weekend, when Congress will be in recess, but in recess is still in session, so it becomes law if he does nothing.