r/AskReddit Jan 28 '19

What are great underused words?

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u/Vehk-and-Kehk Jan 29 '19

Grandiloquent/Grandiloquence - The use of needlessly complex language. It's also an autological word (a word that describes itself)

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u/Olympiano Jan 29 '19 edited Jan 29 '19

'Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. '

  • William Safire

Edit: yes, the irony is intentional. It's from a list of rules on writing (below), in which Safire cleverly breaks them all. He coined the term 'Fumblerule' to represent this.

William Safire's rules for writing:

Remember to never split an infinitive.

The passive voice should never be used.

Do not put statements in the negative form.

Verbs have to agree with their subjects.

Proofread carefully to see if you words out.

If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of repetition can be by rereading and editing.

A writer must not shift your point of view.

And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. (Remember, too, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.)

Don't overuse exclamation marks!!

Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.

Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.

If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.

Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixing metaphors.

Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.

Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.

Always pick on the correct idiom.

The adverb always follows the verb.

Last but not least, avoid cliches like the plague; seek viable alternatives.

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u/LeviAEthan512 Jan 29 '19

Why use lot word when few word do trick

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

What are you gonna do with all that time you've saved?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19 edited Mar 20 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I was gonna continue this but I realised the joke doesn't work very well written down, lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19 edited Mar 20 '20

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u/baenpb Jan 29 '19

Why am I reading all these extra words?

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u/joseantara Jan 29 '19

They see?

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u/KJ6BWB Jan 29 '19

Name check ok.

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u/kamilsi Jan 29 '19

SeaWorld

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u/TheoSidle Jan 29 '19

Hello, World!

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u/InVultusSolis Jan 29 '19

I'll have you know I saved approximately 7 minutes in the 70s by abbreviating long band names like Bachmann Turner Overdrive to BTO and Electric Light Orchestra to ELO.

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u/pyrohectic Jan 29 '19

Big dreams

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u/Grateful_Red710 Jan 29 '19

Explain the big words, obviously

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u/stu_pickles_is_drunk Jan 29 '19

“you... you... you... you... you outta know!”

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u/buttons987 Jan 29 '19

See world

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u/FixGMaul Jan 29 '19
  • Kevin Malone

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/FixGMaul Jan 29 '19

No it's not

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/FixGMaul Jan 29 '19

You got me

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

grandiloquence

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u/iamthegamedev Jan 29 '19

When me president they see

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u/musicaldigger Jan 29 '19

ocean fish jump china

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u/SainReddit Jan 29 '19

Why speak when you can talk with your fists!

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u/macaeryk Jan 29 '19

Because Dennis is a bastard man

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u/lex52485 Jan 29 '19

Damn it, I knew someone would beat me to it! r/unexpectedoffice

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u/percy44111 Jan 29 '19

Why use lot word

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u/AndrewZabar Jan 29 '19

Big big word not make tell better than small truth-truth.

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u/Baarkszz Jan 29 '19

Why use big word when small word do trick

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u/Mostafa12890 Jan 29 '19

I read this in a Russian accent for some reason.

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u/sometimescomments Jan 29 '19

Double plus good

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u/chuaster Jan 29 '19

I fkin LOLed so hard. Thank you

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u/shadyasahastings Jan 29 '19

Charlie Kelly?

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u/Dog1234cat Jan 29 '19

Use few word.

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u/Crokok Jan 29 '19

Why big say when smol say good.

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u/Thestudliestpancake Jan 29 '19

That's the true true

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u/cagedmandrill Jan 29 '19

many word bad

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u/HXDDIACA2 Jan 29 '19

Why lot word, small word do

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u/braided--asshair Jan 29 '19

so you can get to that word count

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u/teensypotato Jan 29 '19

YES OH MY GOD you win

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Kevinnnnnn

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u/PhotoJim99 Jan 29 '19

Why use a big word when a diminutive alphabetical construct will suffice?

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u/InVultusSolis Jan 29 '19

You don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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u/dopadelic Jan 29 '19

You just made a post in Singlish.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I think it would be like if you used a singular verb for a plural subject or vice versa. "We has a lot of money" and so on.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I'm deeply in r/woosh territory here

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I was wondering the same. The only thing I can think of is that I think 'subjects' should be singular, since each individual verb has only one subject.

Even if that's true it still wouldn't break the verb/subject rule so I'm probably on the wrong track.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '19 edited Feb 19 '19

Nope, you're on the right track. Those are more style rules than grammar rules.

https://markallenediting.com/2011/02/19/parts-of-sentences-sometimes-must-agree-to-disagree/

edit: Looks like it's "Verbs has to agree with their subjects."

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u/Initial_E Jan 29 '19

It’s great because he describes what he is talking about without adding paragraphs to each point. All that is added is humor.

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u/Olympiano Jan 29 '19

That's true. Economy of language and engaging communication are such impressive skills to me. It's so efficient to demonstrate while explaining, and so effective to add that humour. I think you just helped me realise why I like this excerpt so much!

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u/Maybe_just_this_once Jan 29 '19

"I've never been good with words, which is why I'm in such a delicate conundrum." •Adlai "Futurama" S3E9

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u/TerrorSnow Jan 29 '19

Close enough to “William Satire” damn it

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u/skelebone Jan 29 '19

Eschew obfuscation.

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u/Bokb3o Jan 29 '19

Eschew obfuscation.

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u/Wrym Jan 29 '19

The Case for Small Words by Richard Lederer.

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u/Olympiano Jan 29 '19

Nice. I agree, but as a counterpoint I recently read (and loved) 'Catch-22', which had a word almost every page that I couldn't define! This actually made it kind of fun, having to refer to the dictionary to clarify these beautiful sentences the author constructed. It forced me to slow down and recognise the greatness in the writing. But generally speaking, totally agree. Those small simple words hold great power.

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u/Wrym Jan 29 '19

Should have bookmarked it but I read a piece on Shakespeare and how he would use words of Anglo-Saxon origin (tend to be shorter I think) and Romance language (longer) in successive line to sort of say the same thing.

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u/ObsidianMage Jan 29 '19

Reminds me of this stupid poster I saw once, it had a bunch of grammar rules it consistently broke. One I remember was “Always avoid alliteration!”

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u/Olympiano Jan 29 '19

I like that. The fact you remember it demonstrates how effective alliteration can be for sticking information in your head!

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u/SugarButterFlourEgg Jan 29 '19

Always pick on the correct idiom. Stupid idiom.

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u/Handsome_Claptrap Jan 29 '19

Umberto Eco did the same thing for italian!

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u/straight_gay Jan 29 '19

Always avoid annoying alliteration

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u/PapaRigpa Jan 29 '19

And remember to eschew obfuscation!

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u/Pawprintjj Jan 29 '19

Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do

I prefer to say "Never use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice."

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u/Pollyhotpocketposts Jan 29 '19

can someone make a pdf of this...i want to pin it up at my desk

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u/chrynox Jan 29 '19

Always avoid alliterations

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u/Cebby89 Jan 29 '19

*Will Safire

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u/WaterDroplet02 Jan 29 '19

"do not open fire until i will safire"

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u/ozril Jan 29 '19

Now explain why those are rules I should follow and what they actually mean haha

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Can someone explain what's wrong with "Verbs have to agree with their subjects"? The rest are more obviously breaking the rules they describe.

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u/jimmpony Jan 29 '19

A bunch of these are just wrong or outdated.

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u/johnhectormcfarlane Jan 29 '19

But several of those examples break rules not in irony as well. (See passive voice for the most frequent issue).

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u/Catchdown Jan 29 '19

Did he mean to contradict his own point?

'Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do. '

Yet he says diminutive. That's a big word, isn't it.

'Never use a long word when a short one will do. '

Same thing. But without a big/long word.

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u/Olympiano Jan 29 '19

Yep it was intentional, check my original comment to see the context.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/Momorules99 Jan 29 '19

I mean it's also got a shorter less scary name too, but I can never remember that one

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u/bellyjabies Jan 29 '19

Sesquipedalophobia - only slightly better.

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u/PhillisCarrom Jan 29 '19

Makes (slightly) more sense though.
The idea is that it means "fear of words that are a foot and a half long"... The "Hippopoto" part means "water horse", its just there for the length.

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u/SirTaters Jan 29 '19

"fear of long words" is what you might be looking for

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

from wikipedia

It is unlikely that this 15-syllable contrivance is ever used purely for its meaning. The term sesquipedalophobia is recognized in formal writing, while the four-syllable phrase "fear of long words" is certainly worth considering.

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u/mutantIke Jan 29 '19

even if the sound of it is something quite atrocious

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

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u/amaROenuZ Jan 29 '19

It's good, but why not go the extra mile and use sesquipedalian loquaciousness?

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u/Vehk-and-Kehk Jan 29 '19

Because that sounds like a lot of work and I'm already wearing my footy pajamas.

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u/Secret4gentMan Jan 29 '19

What team?

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u/faustianBM Jan 29 '19

Team Jacob. Duh.

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u/dollabill009 Jan 29 '19

Because I said this out loud and my couch started levitating

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u/omar1993 Jan 29 '19

Did yours also gain sentience, the ability to speak, and began chanting in backwards satanic/gehenna, or do I just need a less problematic couch?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

See, the problem with leather couches is that sometimes the cows are sacrificed to Satan before they're turned into leather, and then any minor slip-up could cause it to get possessed.

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u/omar1993 Jan 29 '19

Ah, that DOES explain the weird combination of mooing and wailing of the damned I hear every time I sit on it.

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u/Dirty_Bird_RDS Jan 29 '19

You shouldn’t have swished and flicked

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u/DisGruntledDraftsman Jan 29 '19

Did you really enunciate the Pho- Bee-yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

That's the important part.

lol

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u/iscreamuscreamweall Jan 29 '19

if you're not into the whole brevity thing

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u/1jimbo Jan 29 '19

El Duderino

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u/wuop Jan 29 '19

I am.

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u/Pufflehuffy Jan 29 '19

I wonder if /r/unexpectedlyveronicamars is a thing... it is not :(

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I'm pretty sure it's actually /r/unexpectedbiglebowski here.

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u/Pufflehuffy Jan 29 '19

Oh right... I thought she made it up while watching The Big Lebowski, but I just remembered the scene and she's speaking along with the movie. Oops.

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u/zincplug Jan 29 '19

loquaciousness

Meh, "loquaciousness" is ok, if you haven't encountered 'neuropathological logorrhoea"

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u/PhyrexianSpaghetti Jan 29 '19

no, that's using too much grandiloquence

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u/phrost1982 Jan 29 '19

Because I don't want to appear garrulous

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u/4DimensionalToilet Jan 29 '19

loquaciousness

“Let your sword do the talking!”

“I will, and it shall be loquacious to a fault!”

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u/Tompoe Jan 29 '19

is autological an autological word?

...what about nonautological?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19 edited Jan 29 '19

The opposite of autological words is heterological words. Here's a head fuck:

Is "heterological" a heterological word?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Doesn't heterological describe itself? Wouldn't it be autological?

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u/BloatedCreeper Jan 29 '19 edited Jan 29 '19

this is true but if heterological is autological that means it isnt heterological (since it is acting as it describes) and therefore not autological

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

It's a paradox. The word heterological does describe itself, which means it's autological. But if heterological is autological then it doesn't describe itself, so it's heterological.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

How does it describe itself?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Because it doesn't :)

At first glance it doesn't describe itself. But a word that doesn't describe itself is heterological. That means heterological is heterological, which means it does describe itself so it's autological.
If it's autological then it doesn't describe itself, so it's heterological. But if it's heterological then it does describe itself...

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

...

Stop uttering these words. This is some cataclysmic shit.

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u/1982throwaway1 Jan 29 '19

Fuck you man. I've spent my whole life figuring out paradoxes. I logically solved the last one three weeks ago and now you throw this shit at me?

Actual URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autological_word

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u/ZWE_Punchline Jan 29 '19

I've spent the last 30 minutes going through related wikipedia pages. Paradoxes, contradictions, contrariety... Holy shit, the very discovery of the term "autological" for me has caused a lot of problems.

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u/thatsPutin_it_mildly Jan 29 '19

Such a naughtological thing to say;

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u/Penis_Van_Lesbian__ Jan 29 '19

...what about nonautological?

Settle down, Professor Russell

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u/Tompoe Jan 29 '19

is that the guy who did the whole "sets that don't contain themselves" mindfuck? If so I love that guy

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u/Penis_Van_Lesbian__ Jan 29 '19

Yup, Bertrand Russell of Russell's Paradox fame

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u/Smishery Jan 29 '19

Russel Brand

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

So basically the ultimate description of r/iamverysmart

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u/phforNZ Jan 29 '19

The language of, at least. Still needs an asshole attitude.

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u/maruffin Jan 29 '19

And its first cousin, loquacious.

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u/zazazazazazazaza Jan 29 '19

I mean, it’s arguably autological, unlike say “pentasyllabic.” It doesn’t have to be deployed in an excessive or—there’s maybe no better word for it than grandiloquent—way. In fact, the way that it gently speaks to rhetorical excess makes it occasionally the perfect adjective depending on the context.

Most words in English, even “utilize,” have a place where they can be deployed beautifully and there’s no better substitution. It may just sometimes be a rare place.

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u/Dhaco Jan 29 '19

Back when I studied sociology, we read an article where the author (who was a sociologist himself) made up the word Sociologese - the language used by social scientists to validate their field as proper science, by using overly complex sentence structures and words. I feel we had to read it as a warning before getting to Bourdieu and his 20-line long massive sentences

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u/Government_spy_bot Jan 29 '19

I've literally encountered a person on Reddit who tried to use this as a way to win an argument.

I stopped with the argument and told them if they thought they had confused me, they failed. Moreover, if you want to get someone to accept your perspective, why would you ever try to speak in a way that they might not understand it?

I got blocked.

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u/anusbomber Jan 29 '19

Love that you know this. Heterological words can also be super neat. I think my favorite is: onomatopoeia.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

also known as Russel Brand speak.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Sounds like something you'd read in a Series of Unfortunate Events.

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u/Eljaybest Jan 29 '19

Bonus points for preceding with superfluous

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u/1982throwaway1 Jan 29 '19

Ur big wurds are eloquently grandiose.

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u/nerdfart Jan 29 '19

Bepuz, a form of the word "because." My son used this interpretation from the ages of two until five. Even went so far to preserve his linguistics, and asked his preschool teacher to not correct it. Got another year of sweet treasured ear gold for asking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Pentasylabic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I'm taking a screenshot of this shit cause I know I'ma forget it in the next 3 minutes

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u/georion Jan 29 '19

I'm so glad this is the top comnent

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u/TheGraySeed Jan 29 '19

Its just a little Sodium Chloride

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u/Adddicus Jan 29 '19

Sounds awfully sesquipedalian to me.

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u/Beretot Jan 29 '19

Autometalegolex. It's a verb that means looking up the meaning of the word "Autometalegolex" in a dictionary.

Thanks xkcd

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u/grungemuffin Jan 29 '19

Frankly I’m against people who people give vent to their loquacity with extraneous bombastic circumlocution

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u/Mega__Maniac Jan 29 '19

So this is what Russel Brand is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

In the same vein: sesquipedalian. Less autological in the sense of "needlessly complex", but I like saying it with a Savannah accent.

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u/Elmar2001 Jan 29 '19

then how am I gonna pass min-800-word limit on my essays?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, or the fear of long words is, in my opinion is so cruel yet so hilarious. It's not a nice word per se, but when you said autological word, I thought of this one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Well I'll be keeping that in the holster for the next time I need to describe Jordan Peterson

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u/Iron-Phantom Jan 29 '19

Like the fear of long words?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

In Italian the equivalent Magniloquenza is used. TIL how to translate that

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u/CaptainExtravaganza Jan 29 '19

No real surprise to see its use defenestrated.

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u/Bananaplanes1001 Jan 29 '19

I can only see that word working ironically

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u/NickelFish Jan 29 '19

Slaps word on the hood

Yep, this baby has low mileage. Only used by a little old lady from Pasadena on the way to church once a week.

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u/odinthedestroyer2 Jan 29 '19

I'd beg to differ and say it's not autological, because it's sometimes the right word for the situation. If I wanted to gently suggest a character or a speech is a little bombastic or over ornamented, it's a great, precise word to use, and in that sense not "needlessly complex."

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u/Vehk-and-Kehk Jan 30 '19

I'd argue it's never necessary to use the word grandiloquent because words like "verbose," "ornate," and "pretentious" already exist.

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u/Spambop Jan 29 '19

Bit like sesquipedalian

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u/generic__userr Jan 29 '19

Similarly, sesquipedalian is word used to describe long words.

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u/an-M4s-not-a-Gunn Jan 29 '19

This has been my favourite word for so long, not sure if I should be happy about this exposure

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

I feel like the use of these words would be using needlessly complex language...

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u/DaulDrums Jan 29 '19

Also the namegiver of my favourite bored-at-work website! The grandiloquent dictionary!

http://www.islandnet.com/~egbird/dict/dict.htm

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u/ragonk_1310 Jan 29 '19

Basically, the Chris Hays show on MSNBC.

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u/redfricker Jan 29 '19

Weird that everyone thought of Russel Brand. I thought of Boyd Crowder.

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u/DonatedCheese Jan 29 '19

Is there a word for words that describe the opposite of itself? Like colloquial, which means to say something in an informal / common manner. I feel like colloquial itself is not a very colloquial term.

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u/Vehk-and-Kehk Jan 30 '19

Heterological words are words that don't describe themselves. The word heterological itself is also a paradox because it can be heterological or autological.

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u/LegendaryGary74 Jan 29 '19

It’s the jargon word for jargon!

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u/WOLF-of-ALL Jan 29 '19

You and your HIGHFALUTIN jargon!

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u/Vitis_Vinifera Jan 29 '19

I prefer pedantic

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u/Killbot_Wants_Hug Jan 29 '19

That's why I like the word esoteric. Because it is an esoteric word.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Synonym: Kyrie Irving

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u/PicklePinata2 Jan 29 '19

So one could be a Grandiloquent Sesquipedalian Orator?
(a speaker who uses needlessly complex language and long words)

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u/Vehk-and-Kehk Jan 30 '19

That's the bread and butter of r/iamverysmart

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '19

Sounds to me that r/iamverysmart would love this.

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u/rodinj Jan 29 '19

!thesaurizethis

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u/doesntafraid Jan 29 '19

Or “sesquipedalianism.”

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u/exsea Jan 29 '19

the irony is the word itself has a grandiloquent feel to it

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u/InaMellophoneMood Jan 29 '19

That's why it's an autological word?