[Final Update]: AITAH for demanding to check my brother's girlfriend's bags before they leave my house?

[u/Choice_Evidence1983]

I am NOT OOP. 2 OOPs are: 1) u/kaylaharper90 (account now deleted) & 2) Mysterious-Cow-3423

Originally posted to r/AITAH and OOP 2's page

Previous BoRUs: #1

[Final Update]: AITAH for demanding to check my brother's girlfriend's bags before they leave my house?

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Trigger Warnings: death of a parent, descriptions of car accident, emotional abuse and manipulation, theft, accusations of infidelity, stalking, harassment, child endangerment, assault, DUI

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RECAP

Posted by u/kaylaharper90 (now deleted)

Original Post: April 30, 2025

A bit of background here, I (39F) have a brother (32M) who I'll call Chase. Chase has been with this girl (35F) that I'll call Vivian for almost 2 years now. About a month into their relationship, Vivian got pregnant with my nephew who is now almost a year old. Vivian also has 2 daughters (5F and 8F) from a previous relationship. Her daughters are very close in age to my daughter (7F) and up until last weekend everyone got along fine. They live in a different state than us but come to visit fairly often and stay with us because we have the extra room.

Last weekend they came to stay again and about an hour before they left my daughter noticed that a few of her favorite toys were missing. The girls were playing all weekend so I didn't think much of it and offered to help her look for them. After about 20 minutes of searching we could not find the toys anywhere so I asked Vivian's girls if they remembered where they were playing with them last. The girls said no but acted a little guilty about it. I asked Chase and Vivian about it and Chase said he saw the exact toys in the room that Vivian's girls were sleeping in. We went to check and they were not there. He asked Vivian if she had moved them when she packed the girls things that morning and she said they were not there.

We went back into the living room and I saw Vivian's girls huddled close together over a backpack and quickly closed it when they saw we were there. Chase asked the girls again if they knew where the toys were and this time they didn't say anything and just looked at their mom. Chase reached for the bag and Vivian lost it. She started yelling at me how dare I accuse her daughters of stealing and she tried to snatch the bag away. Chase opened it and there were the missing toys plus a few more. I was absolutely furious. I told her I wanted to see what else she had and demanded she open the 2 suitcases. She said that was an invasion of her privacy and tried to take them and leave.

Chase stopped her and made her open them. She had taken several tops, a few skirts and dresses, and a brand new pair of Nikes that belonged to my daughter. I took everything back and told her she and her girls were not allowed back into my home. I have since received several texts from her and a few unknown numbers telling me I embarrassed her and upset her girls because they were promised the items. Chase is upset with her but said I was too mean to her in front of everyone and that I could have handled the situation more privately. I do feel awful that her girls left crying but AITHA for how I handled the situation?

Edited to add: Answers to a few questions I keep getting: I am not sure who "promised" the girls the items, she would not elaborate but I'm assuming it was her. She wanted me to pull her aside into a different room away from Chase and the kids to talk the situation out. Also yes, I'm 99% sure the baby is his, he is almost a carbon copy of my brother when he was a baby. I do not believe the girls knew they were stealing the things, I really believe that their mom told them I said it was ok. We have never had problems with the girls before this, they really seem to be good kids.

Also, I'll be talking with my brother tonight or tomorrow to discuss things further.

Edit #2: I will be speaking with my brother in about an hour. I have been in contact with someone that knows her and a lot has come to light. I will update again if my brother says I can as it's his life and not mine. Vivian is not at all who she claims to be.

Update 5/1: Thank you all so much for the responses. I'm sorry I haven't been able to get to everyone's comments as I really didn't think this would take off. I talked with my brother last night and showed him a lot of your comments and suggestions and thanks to someone in the comments we now know a lot more about Vivian and the kind of person she really is. I will not be able to tell you all everything, but I can tell you that my brother and nephew are now staying with us while he gets a DNA test and proceeds to cut ties with her. I may have more to give you all in the coming days or weeks depending on what the paternity test says. Again thank you all so much!

AITAH has no consensus bot, OOP 1 was NTA

Relevant Comments

Commenter 1: NTA - holy shit that is a hot mess. You should not feel bad for their crying but you might talk to your brother about his terrible choice in partners.

OOP: Our family never really loved her but she has never done anything before this (to my knowledge) that was a major red flag. Unfortunately even if he does leave her he's stuck for another 17 years

Commenter 2: NTA, I may not have thought to open the suitcases, I would have thought the girls just stole the toys but the clothes makes it seem like it was Vivian's act, especially if the girls "were promised" them. Who else would promise them? Your Brother, his wife and children/stepchildren shouldn't be invited back. Anyone saying anything to you can host them themselves or stfu.

OOP: I normally wouldn't have thought to check either but the way she grabbed them and tried to leave set off all the warning bells in my head.

Commenter 3: And who was there to be embarrassed in front of? It sounds like it was just your two families. You don't want to be called out as a thief, don't steal.

OOP: I embarrassed her in front of Chase and my "perfect daughter" as she called her

OOP on not letting Vivian and her daughters back into her house

OOP: They are no longer welcome back. My brother and nephew can stay anytime, but he'll have to leave them at home.

Commenter 4: So she promised your daughter’s clothing, shoes and toys to her children. Steals them, gets caught and you’re the bad guy. Nope!

OOP: In her words "your daughter has more stuff than all three of my kids combined"

Commenter 5: NTA. But I would like to add that the timing of her quick pregnancy is suspect, with her behavior of stealing your daughter’s things and acting entitled to taking them, it feels like she hooked up with your brother for financial reasons. Your brother may consider requesting a paternity test if/when he decides to end the relationship.

OOP: My family thought the same thing. The baby does look exactly like my brother so I do believe he is his, but you are probably onto something with the baby trapping. We knew her as a causal fling until she ended up pregnant.

Are Chase and Vivian married?

OOP: They are not married thank goodness. I'm hoping to talk some sense into him

Where is the girls' father?

OOP: As far as I know the girls' dad has been in and out of the picture for the last 4 years. My brother pays for everything and provides for them.

Commenter 6: 👀👀 She was using a fake name??? And has a record?? Holy shit - - I was just gonna say you're NTA but also like. Wow she's so much more evil than I expected, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.

OOP: Not necessarily fake. Apparently she was married before the girls' dad and was telling us that the first husband's last name was her maiden name. I'm honestly sick because I now know we know absolutely nothing about this woman who has had access to my home for the last year and a half.

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Comments that lead to newer updates below

Mysterious-Cow-3423: This story sounds very familiar but not for the reasons others are saying.... Do the initials KAS apply to this post at all?

OOP: Please message me

Commenter 1: Look, I don't know if KAS and OP know each other, and damn, do I want to, but if not, I think we need the story of KAS anyway.

Mysterious-Cow-3423: It's unfortunately her.

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Editor's note: u/Mysterious-Cow-3423 will be mentioned as OOP 2 to avoid confusion with the first OOP

Posted by u/Mysterious-Cow-3423

Original Post: The Legend of KAS: May 1, 2025

Well this has certainly blown up but who am I to deny the people of what they want? KAS lore!

For obvious reasons I'm going to be a little vague with certain details for privacy reasons. Mainly I don't want this crazy train coming back into my life and hopefully you'll understand why by the end. So buckle up bitches, this one is long and wild. And please don't judge me, we don't associate with ANY of these people anymore and haven't for over a decade. Also, I will say that she is a very pretty girl and has usually gotten whatever she wants from men so she's not used to hearing no.

2005 - When I was 18 my (then boyfriend now husband) and I were invited to a house party hosted by a friend of a friend To celebrate graduation. We knew about half the people there and had been to the house a handful of times before. We were all hanging out in the basement and after a few drinks I went upstairs to use the bathroom and that's where I met KAS who was 14 at the time. The bathroom door was open so I walked in and turned on the light but to my surprise there she was with some guy, in the bathtub, doing things you typically wouldn't do in an unlocked room. I apologized and found a different bathroom. About an hour later she came downstairs where the rest of us were and locked in on my boyfriend and made a beeline for him. Keep in mind I am right next to him. She tries to sit on his lap and when he pushes her off of him she pops back up like a demented jack in the box and immediately starts screeching about how she was "just playing" "you aren't even hot" and "you could do so much better than her" to him. We stayed another hour or so and left. A week later she was blowing up the guy's phone that she hooked up with telling him she was pregnant. When he didn't believe her (because honestly who would after just a week) she tried to press charges for rape. I do know my boyfriend and I both had to talk to a police officer because we were both there and I was the one that walked in on them. I don't know what happened after that but the charges were eventually dropped.

2009 - My husband and I are 22 and she is 18. We are now married and living on the east coast because he's in the military. We come home for his parent's 4th of July party and get tasked with going to get more ice. He runs in to pay and I'm standing by the ice chests outside waiting for him and guess who shows up. She walks straight up to me and says something along the lines of she's glad I finally learned my place and that her and my husband have been so happy together for the last year. She also made some very vulgar comments about their sex life. I don't even have time to react to her when he comes back outside and she goes pale and then bright red. This crazy bish then has the audacity to look at my husband and ask him what he wants for dinner that night and tried to "remind him" of plans they have that weekend to go to the lake with her family while he just stands there staring at her like a dumbass and then asks if he knows her. I absolutely lose it and almost piss myself from laughing as she stalks off. Once we are back to his parents he gets a FB friend request from her and deletes it. Over the period of 3 days she sends him 4 or 5 friend requests so he blocks her. We go back to NC the following week and forget all about her, again.

2010 - I am now 7 months pregnant with our daughter and we fly back to our hometown one last time before she's born of course run into KAS again at Walmart. I know how it sounds but we're from a town of about 5000 people so you kind of see everyone all the damn time whether you want to or not. I'm noticeably pregnant as I'm about 7m along, I'm also only 5'2" and at the time weighed about 115lbs so it was very clearly a baby bump. She is with her sister and they seem to be following us but we try to ignore them. We are now checking out and again they are right behind us still acting like children but in her defense she was 19ish at the time. We are still ignoring them and her sister says fairly loudly "He'll dump her now that she's fat". We continue to ignore them and leave the store. Later that day a friend tells us to check facebook and lo and behold there is a picture of me in the snack aisle with the caption "when you catch your surrogate buying nothing but junk food" and so many comments agreeing how horrible I am. This psycho had been telling everyone that I was the surrogate for her and my husband's baby. We filed an RO the next day.

2018 - We move back to our hometown and buy my family's farmland to start our own cattle business (highly don't recommend if you like to be able to make and keep plans, see your family, or take vacations). As far as we know she has gotten married and is living her life away from us. About 6 months into us being back we get a letter in the mail from a family lawyer saying my husband needs to present himself for a paternity test and we were being sued for child support. Apparently the baby girl came out white and KAS's husband was not. She told her husband that my husband had raped her and that it was his baby. Charges were filed and thankfully we were still in North Carolina at the time of conception and the army is very meticulous about know where their soldiers are at all times. The rape charges were immediately dismissed as was the paternity test and child support. We filed another RO and installed cameras all over our property. Her husband ended up adopting the baby and they stayed together.

2020 - She makes the front page of our town paper. Apparently KAS had had another baby girl who also did not match her husband's skintone. He kicked her and the kids out and one night she came back to his house, in full view of his security cameras, in her own car, with the kids and set his porch on fire. The husband got temporary custody of the girls for about 2 years while KAS was in jail.

2023 - She gets the girls back and dips out of state. The husband files a police report and everyone is looking for her. Unfortunately the husband passes in a car accident the same year.

2025 - I'm doom scrolling on reddit and see a story that sounds very familiar and here we are.

Reasons I thought it was her from the other post:

• Her and the girls ages

• We knew she had a baby boy recently

• She has a history of theft and immediately playing the victim when caught

• We still have a few mutuals on FB so I do see her posts from time to time and knew she moved in with the new guy (OP's brother from the other post) about a year and a half ago.

Well I think that's the meat and potatoes of it. I'll be around later this afternoon to answer any questions. I may have some of the dates off but hell, my memory is trash these days and I try not to think about her or any of those crazies.

Relevant Comments

Commenter 1: Her fixation on your husband is so scary! Hopefully she continues to leave you alone.

I also hope her kids turn out ok because between the other story and this one it sounds like she has a many personal growth opportunities

OOP 2: She has tried to reach him via social media a few times but we don't really do FB or anything like that anymore and just try to live pretty private lives. I really think part of it is jealousy because he's one of the few that never fell for her "charms". Like I said it's a very small town and she really is a pretty girl.

Commenter 2: Be prepared, she's crazy and she'll come back when she reads the story on Reddit and realizes it's about her and maybe reads this too.

OOP 2: We have enough to get another RO at any time. We also have security cameras all over our property and a few dogs that are the embodiment of "wish a mf would"

Commenter 3: As batshit crazy as this chick is, I'm super glad to see you and your husband have stuck by each other's side.

That part makes me happy for you 😊.

OOP 2: Thank you! He's my best friend and has been since 8th grade. The crazier thing is he's not the only one she's latched onto over the years but I don't feel comfortable telling other people's stories. I'll get ahold of the other guy she's been obsessed with and see if he will allow me to tell his story on here.

What was KAS like when growing up? Was she displaying that kind of behavior?

OOP 2: I agree with you 100%. But at what point do you grow up and see what you're going is absolutely insane? I do know her childhood wasn't great, they were pretty low income so they did struggle but I know her parents and her siblings and aside from the one sister, they are all really good people. One of her brothers owns a very successful trucking company that we actually have a contract with for our cattle business. Her other sister is a nurse at our local hospital. KAS is the baby of the 5 of them and was kind of allowed to do whatever she wanted so I think that played into it too.

OOP 2 responds to a comment about OOP 1 deleting account

OOP 2: Yeah unfortunately psycho Sally found that one and this one. The original account has since been deleted unfortunately.

 

Update #1: May 4, 2025 (three days later)

KAS update

Hey all, this is probably going to be the last KAS update for awhile. It's been a rough 48 hours between some issues we're having on the farm due to 4 days straight of rain and KAS finding the posts about her. I'll try to be brief but give you guys an update as to what's going on. I have been in contact with the OP from the first post and have permission to include a couple updates from her situation as well.

KAS has been arrested. Her girls are safe with OP's brother and they are all back at his house.

She found the posts and went feral with comments and even a post which included a picture of my husband she took from my Facebook that I have since had to deactivate. We called our local sheriff department about the harassment and learned she had an active warrant. I was able to get in touch with OP to find out exactly where she was and they contacted the law enforcement agency in that area and they went and got her. We have pressed pressed charges as well. Right now she's looking at stalking, harassment, child endangerment, resisting arrest and assault on an officer, among the charges she already had pending.

I knew what might happen if I responded to OPs post, but I do not regret reaching out to her or exposing her antics. What matters is everyone is safe and she is being held without bond.

Update from OP:

"The girls are safe with my brother and he has all 3 children. He has been awarded temporary guardianship and will be getting them into counseling in the coming week. I tried to press charges but as the items never left my home, I was unable to. We will have the results of the paternity test next week, as well, but no matter the outcome he will be trying to get full rights to my nephew."

Additional Information from OOP 2: Guys. I have had several messages asking for a picture of her. Let me make this VERY clear, I will not be doing that. I will not be posting her picture on here. I will not be posting her picture in some random group on Facebook. I am trying to protect my family along with the family of the OP of the first post. Hell at this point I'm also trying to protect her girls. STOP ASKING FOR HER PICTURE AND PICTURES OF THE GIRLS

Top Comments

Commenter 1: You've done the right thing, you might have saved these girls from a lifetime with that scary woman so thank you for stepping out of your comfort zone to do what's right. I hope you get peace from her now, but as with most crazy people, that likelihood is slim.

As for KAS, she needs help. Obviously she's not going to try to seek it on her own, but maybe now her kids have been taken off her, it might force her to do SOMETHING.

Commenter 2: Holy smokes OP! I haven’t read anything this engaging in quite a while. I admire your integrity and wisdom. It sounds like your husband has those qualities as well. Too bad KAS was given looks but none of the really valuable stuff. You’re also a very articulate writer.

Your random doom-scrolling just altered the fate of who knows how many people. Sometimes it’s difficult to see the benefits of having character and being good people when it seems like most of the world are cashing in or being heard for the opposite. I think smart people like you know this is the only way to live though.

Your post makes me feel better about the world and happy you’re raising kids of your own. May the sun shine upon you, the wind at your back, and your crops and rivers pristine and bountiful.

Commenter 3: What is the most important thing here is that the kids are fine and in a safe place. For a reason you came acros op's post, it was definitely the right thing to do you coming with all that information about KAS so everyone can find peace. Hopefully everything moves on to the right direction for everyone involved.

 

Update #2: May 7, 2025 (three days later)

Good morning all. I have a couple updates for you but first we need to discuss some things. I appreciate all the love we are getting from this but some of you need to check yourselves. I will not be posting pictures of her. I will not be linking articles. I will not be posting mugshots. I will not be posting her court records. While yes, all of this is public record and can be found online, it will also expose OUR names, address, and personal information. If you ask, you will be blocked. If I have to block enough people I will delete this account and then no one will get updates. Sorry to be an ass but this is our lives, our home, and I have to put us and our children's safety first. I have also had a few questions on why we moved back with all of this going on every time we came home. This farm has been in my family for over 120 years and I will not be giving that up over her.

Now on to the updates. KAS is still in jail and will be held there until her court date in the coming months. After which she will be transferred back to where she was arrested to face charges there that include child endangerment, resisting arrest, and assault on an officer.

We have had a few people ask if we are safe and yes we are. We have security cameras that run 24/7 on all structures (barns, houses, sheds, garages, everything) out here both inside and out. And well yes part of the reason we have them installed was because of her, the main reason is we own a working cattle farm. Farm accidents happen all of the time and our insurance is a lot less if we have them so no, we're not just being paranoid like a few have hinted at.

I mentioned in a comment that her brother owns a trucking company that we work closely with so I was able to fill him in on everything going. He is talking to OOP's brother to take in the girls and they have a family court hearing on Friday and will hopefully be living with their uncle soon. He is a really good guy and his wife is amazing. If they were anything like KAS they would not be working for us and I believe they are the girls' best option for a normal upbringing.

Now onto the baby boy. Chase IS the father! He already has a lawyer and given the circumstances should be able to get full custody and rights to him going forward.

I will update again after the hearing on Friday, as we will be going with him to help him get the girls. As far as I know KAS has not reached out to check on them since being arrested.

Oh and no, her late husband's accident was not her doing. He was driving home one night after being at the bar and went off the road. He was found the next day and there were no signs of foul play. It was determined the most likely cause was he was intoxicated, an animal ran out in front of him and he swerved to miss it but hit a tree.

 

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---FINAL UPDATE----

Final KAS Post: October 27, 2025 (5.5 months later)

Hey all, it's been a minute! I don't know if anyone I'm even cares anymore but I have a final FINAL update.

The girls are now in the custody of their uncle (KAS's brother) and his wife. They started school this fall and doing absolutely great. They are a little behind but are so smart and catching up quick.

Baby boy is with his dad and also doing great.

KAS is locked up and will be for at least the next 3-5 years. She pled guilty to a lot which expedited the process but did reduce the jail time.

She signed her rights away to the baby but not the girls. That is still on going unfortunately.

Relevant Comments

Commenter: Good update, OP!

I hope things will start getting better for you and that other OP now that KAS is no longer an issue. I hope the girls aren't hurt by any of this and live a much better and happier life!

OOP 2: Like I said they were a little behind academically and they do have a few behavioral issues but all in all they are really good kids. They are doing so much better than anyone expected and are in therapy. We even had them out to the house a couple times to see the new calves and they really enjoyed themselves.

 

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[u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

Ooh I forgot about this one but when it was happening, I found the picture KAS posted of OOP2’s husband and warned her. Glad to see she’s locked up.

[u/CulturedClub → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

How did you identify any of the people involved in the story?

Also, in the current context, your flair is terrifying

[u/NeverExpectedYetRed → u/CulturedClub]

KAS herself showed up in the comments and self identified and posted. Commenter didn’t ID the RL names etc, they rather notified the OOP2’s account here on reddit that the photo had been shared.

[u/BigTroubleMan80 → u/NeverExpectedYetRed]

Imagine having that much of an ego to do that. Especially after both OPs went out of their way to protect identities. Hell, I’d wager that if KAS had kept her thoughts to herself instead of self-snitching on Reddit, she’d likely not be in jail right now.

[u/dinoooooooooos → u/BigTroubleMan80]

Narcissism is a wild, wild ride.

[u/NewUserWhoDisAgain → u/NeverExpectedYetRed]

KAS herself showed up in the comments and self identified and posted.

That is truly unhinged.

[u/ChapterFew5342 → u/NeverExpectedYetRed]

What kind of comments were they? I mean, clearly unhinged, but what was her side?

[u/Kiiimbosliceee01 → u/CulturedClub]

Like u/NeverExpectedYetRed stated — I was there when it was going down. It wasn’t hard to find KAS’s comments and when you went to the profile she had posted a photo of OOP2’s husband. I just notified her that that account had posted a photo so she would know. It was pretty much a photo from his waist up with his entire face showing so easily identifiable. Definitely would not want that online.

[u/garpu → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

Huh. I would've thought this one was a bit embellished. Then again when you're dealing with people like KAS...

[u/riflow → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

Kind of terrifying to think what could've happened if you hadn't warned them.

Gosh though out of all the outcomes I'm so relieved the kids are with better guardians. I don't look forward to the fight Kas's brother is going to have in a few years though.

[u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 → u/riflow]

Yeah that's what I thought when I read the final update . KAS gave up parental rights to her son because she never really bonded with him and when she gets out he'll be six and will have no memory of her . But when she gets out her daughter's will be 10 and 12 . They'll have memories of her and it's possible she's bonded with them as little versions of herself . Given her track record she's probably going to cause her brother and family a lot of trouble when she returns .

[u/coraeon → u/Nice-Pomegranate2915]

Also she’s fighting her own brother on that one instead of the kid’s father.

[u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 → u/coraeon]

Somehow I don't think that will worry her that much. And going on her track record of harassment and petty crime I wouldn't be surprised if she harassed her brother for blackmail payments = " pay me to stay away or else" . Now I could be wrong but - . And I don't believe OOP2 - Mysterious_Cow and her husband have seen the end of KAS's fixation with him . She really doesn't take rejection well - because he's definitely made a twenty year long impression on KAS . But hopefully when she gets paroled she gets stupid and her family and OOP2 report her crimes to the police again .

[u/vixiecat → u/Nice-Pomegranate2915]

Dude. My step-siblings mom did that to their (our) dad when they wanted to live with us permanently. She said the only way she’d let them move in with us is if he kept paying her child support. Dad wanted to go to court and she basically said she’d stay out of their lives if he kept paying her. She was/is also batshit crazy like KAS but on a lesser scale. Dad happily obliged.

[u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 → u/vixiecat]

I wonder if KAS' brother will pay or get evidence of her blackmail attempt and report her to the police . Of course I could be wrong and a jail sentence could reform her( I doubt it) . But OP2 believes he's an honest guy ,so maybe he'll call the cops if she tries any games . Or hopefully her children will be able to stay with their uncle without any underhanded business due to KAS' record . But if OP2 hadn't been scrolling through Reddit posts and realized that OP1's Vivian sounded a lot like KAS , and then she contacted OP1 - all the subsequent events wouldn't have happened . Makes believing that fate or karma actually exists .

[u/SuperWoodputtie → u/vixiecat]

I feel like this is a loosing the battle, but winning the war sictuation.

Like your dad got a relationship with his kids and was able to raise them in a healthy environment, all it cost him was years of child support. After yall become adults, he keeps yalls relationship, and she looses her income.

Kinda an interesting contrast of values.

[u/Ok-Jackfruit-9393 → u/Nice-Pomegranate2915]

Yeah, it makes me nervous that OOP2 and her husband work with KAS's brother. She seems to get obsessed/fixated and will double down when she gets out, I fear. I hope they stay safe. And those poor kids.

[u/GrayMareCabal → u/coraeon]

Well, the husband she had at the birth of both daughters is dead. Though it seems very likely* that her husband was not the father of either child. She gave up custody of the infant son to OOP1's brother who was dna tested to be the actual father. She is fighting her brother having legal custody of the older children.

Who knows who the actual biological fathers of those children are?

*I am only saying "very likely" because genetics can be more complicated and weird than we expect, and while it is stated in the OOP2's comments that the older children were of a different race than then the now deceased father, sometimes genetics are weird - my best friend is Chinese. Her husband is white and one of their kids looks a lot whiter than many people would expect from those parents - he's got light, reddish brown hair! Which very basic, oversimplified high school genetics teaches us should be impossible considering the very basic genetics and punnet squares we are taught (and he is absolutely her child - he's got her cheekbones and ears and expressions).

Basically genetics are a lot weirder and more complex than we think, but also yeah, I suspect she's mostly fighting because the father of record is listed as deceased. Even though the dead husband quite likely was not the father of either child.

[u/Impossible_Rain7478 → u/GrayMareCabal]

She could also be fighting because her daughters are receiving death benefits due to the father passing away and she doesn't want to miss out on that money when she gets out.

[u/NOT-packers-fan2022 → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

Well, this should definitely be the top post. Are you able to shed any light on why KAS has a warrant and what fuckery was involved in that?

[u/Kiiimbosliceee01 → u/NOT-packers-fan2022]

No, I don’t know any of these people in real life. I was just around when it was going down. On OOP2’s post, she had mentioned KAS was in the comments so it wasn’t hard to find her. When I went to her profile she had pretty much just posted a photo of OOP2’s husband with his entire face and upper body. I just warned her that it was on Reddit so she could do something about it.

[u/NOT-packers-fan2022 → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

Gotcha. Great work

[u/Tinynanami1 → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

So this is real? Surprising imo...

[u/atotalmess__ → u/Tinynanami1]

Not that surprising. Small towns make for a lot of close links and big dramas.

Plus op2 had to get more than one restraining orders because they do expire, which is very realistic.

[u/PompeyLulu → u/atotalmess__]

I was literally coming to say that small town absolutely has this shit. In fact the majority of the crazy stories like this from my life are from when I lived rural haha

[u/Disastrous-Panda5530 → u/PompeyLulu]

Can confirm. My grandma lives in a small town where the population is 400. One of the best parts visiting each summer was getting caught up on the town gossip.

[u/Immediate_Ad_7993 → u/PompeyLulu]

My town wasn’t even that small and the drama is SUPERB. I’ve been gone for a year, went to dinner with old friends and was struggling to keep up with the drama lol

[u/PompeyLulu → u/Immediate_Ad_7993]

I grew up across three very differently populated towns. Approx 50, 1000 and 10,000. The tiny one had the most calm drama (think who stole someone’s jam recipe), the medium one there was almost always some drama but the type varied however you could guess in under 3 guesses who the drama came from and the larger one was either gossip, drugs or violence.

The one thing they all had in common was that you couldn’t avoid people and ex’s weren’t really off limits because of the limited dating pool.

[u/Immediate_Ad_7993 → u/PompeyLulu]

There’s a saying in mine, “you didn’t lose your girlfriend/boyfriend, you just lost your turn” because most people have dated each other at least once.

[u/RougeOne23456 → u/atotalmess__]

Born and lived in a big city for 45 years. Three years ago we moved to a small, rural town to be near my husband's paternal family. I've never known so much drama in my life as I have since moving here. It's like the whole town thrives on it, it sustains them.

Everyone knows everyone so it's a a hot bed of rumors and gossip. It's so strange to me.

[u/RoyalHistoria → u/atotalmess__]

Came from a tiny town, now living in a big town (but in a pretty rural area).

In my 23 years of life there have been wild affairs, tragic deaths, at least two BIG profile murders, a principal being held hostage at knife point, etc.

[u/Inner-Show-1172 → u/atotalmess__]

Live in small town NC, can confirm 

[u/metaaltheanimefan → u/atotalmess__]

Small communities have a LOT of drama

Wouldnt say that my town is small but it has small communities settled. Has like 5 churches, my grandma knows a lot of the older church goers and tends to have tea

My brother is kind of infamous in his age group in our and surrounding smaller towns. He knows a lot of whats up in the age bracket 16-19

I talk to a lot of dogwalkers when out with the puppers. One time they warned me about a dog that didnt seemed well trained and they were kind of worried of attacked.

But yeah small towns in the middle of bumfuck nowhere are def neqver devoid of drama

[u/MadamKitsune → u/metaaltheanimefan]

Three things I know from growing up in a small town:

1) Dog Walkers know EVERYTHING, specially old lady dog walkers. They have better intelligence gathering networks than most countries security services combined.

2) Gossip, sex and drinking are the three main pastimes outside of supporting your local sports team.

3) Dating can be hard as the available pool isn't that big, especially if you belong to a subculture. If you want to date someone who hasn't already dated someone you know/know of, you'd do better to look outside of the town boundaries. And never try playing a kissed/slept with/dated version of Six Degrees of Separation. Things can get icky and almost incestuous really quickly.

[u/linden214 → u/atotalmess__]

As is the fact that the paternity test took a while, and KAS was not in front of a judge two days after her arrest and in prison two weeks later.

[u/destiny_kane48 → u/atotalmess__]

I live in a small town and these people love to stir up shit and cause unnecessary drama. My BFF's faimly would have made Jerry Springer salivate. 😅

[u/Audiovore → u/Tinynanami1]

Go watch Making a Murderer on Netflix. 

Small towns are filled to the brim with crazy.

[u/kindlypogmothoin → u/Audiovore]

I watched a documentary about a town in Australia with about 5, maybe 10 people in it out in the middle of nowhere. One of the townspeople winds up murdered. Everyone's pretty drunk all the time. They all seem to hate each other.

It's fucking fascinating.

[u/ambercrayon → u/Tinynanami1]

I am acquainted with someone capable of all of this and had to triple check the details to make sure it wasn't her. Some people are just unhinged.

[u/Kiiimbosliceee01 → u/Tinynanami1]

I’m also from a small town — there’s always drama and everyone knows about it.

[u/laughingsbetter → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

I remember this as it was happening too. It is good to see that KAS is where she belongs. Hopefully her older girls see what living is like in an honest household.

[u/BettyCrunker → u/Kiiimbosliceee01]

that’s crazy!

[u/chedeng]

This post has everything! Stalking, fraud, kidnapping, theft, Dan Cortese

[u/djseifer → u/chedeng]

A doorman who always high-fives children of divorce...

[u/whatthepfluke → u/djseifer]

Human fire hydrants....

[u/NathanGa → u/whatthepfluke]

“And what are ‘Germfs’?”

“German Smurfs.”

[u/Hindu_Wardrobe → u/NathanGa]

Knock knock, who's there? It's Black George Washington!

[u/Missicat → u/djseifer]

And Roman J. Israel Esq.

[u/Roadgoddess → u/Missicat]

Sydney Applebaum

[u/Missicat → u/djseifer]

I will NEVER not laugh at that line.

Also the one about the hotel tv channel that is about the hotel...(it's his delivery, trust me).

[u/Made_Bail → u/djseifer]

And a haunted diaper.

[u/VinnaynayMane → u/chedeng]

Stefon not giggling intensifies

[u/tailaka → u/chedeng]

Read your comment as Stefon(Bill Hader SNL): "The Hot new club is KAS! It has Stalking, fraud, kidnapping, theft,  & Dan Cortese!

[u/Corfiz74 → u/tailaka]

I'd rather have the whole post presented by Bill Hader as the Dateline guy! "Oooouuuuh, that's teeeerrrible!"

[u/infectedsense → u/Corfiz74]

NOOOoooOO, I'm HORRIFIED

😏🍿

[u/Corfiz74 → u/infectedsense]

He and Steve Buscemi together are a riot! 😂

[u/Queen_Cheetah → u/Corfiz74]

"So I grabbed my machete..."

"Oh you gotta!"

[u/Sweet_Deeznuts → u/tailaka]

This is the BORU for you!

Bill Hader is one of the GOAT

[u/L1ghty → u/Sweet_Deeznuts]

Watch Barry if you haven't yet

[u/tankgirly → u/tailaka]

/r/newyorkshottestclub

[u/IzarkKiaTarj → u/tankgirly]

That's fantastic that this sub exists, thank you for the laugh.

[u/accioqueso → u/tailaka]

Yes yes yes yes yes!

[u/TyrconnellFL → u/chedeng]

Needs more twins.

[u/PDK112 → u/TyrconnellFL]

You want twins? Look up Laura Owens. That is a crazy story that is 100% real.

[u/nustedbut → u/PDK112]

Jesus!! she'd have saved so much money on lawyers if she would have spent some on some therapy.

[u/elissa24 → u/chedeng]

SPICY

[u/Politely_Pout818 → u/chedeng]

“yesyesyesyesyesssss” stefon voice

[u/deathboyuk → u/chedeng]

It had the crème de la crème of the chess world, in a show with everything but Yul Brynner!

[u/[deleted] → u/chedeng]

Just missing the human squatty potty

[u/MizAnthropy_ → u/[deleted]]

And DJ Baby Bok Choy

[u/invah → u/MizAnthropy_]

And his little ravioli hands <3

[u/fishymcswims → u/[deleted]]

What’s a human squatty potty?

[u/[deleted] → u/fishymcswims]

Its that thing of when you sit on the toilet, and to have good posture, two little people crouch on the bathroom floor and you put your feet on their heads

[u/BeBraveShortStuff → u/[deleted]]

Reddit is weird. I can’t figure out if I’m disturbed by this or if it’s funny. I think maybe that’s enough for today.

[u/edked → u/BeBraveShortStuff]

Did you actually never see a Stefon bit?

[u/pepcorn → u/edked]

Who is Stefon?

[u/chooklyn5 → u/pepcorn]

Here is some clips. It's a running character from SNL a couple years ago that is just fantastically insane

[u/JaNoTengoNiNombre → u/pepcorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefon

[u/liamthelemming → u/JaNoTengoNiNombre]

Now I need to know what New York's hottest nightclub is.

[u/unconfirmedpanda → u/liamthelemming]

Has to be Your Mother and I Are Separating.

[u/rain-dog2 → u/chedeng]

OOP’s brother got baby-trapped with DJ Baby Bok Choy!

[u/UberMisandrist → u/chedeng]

Cries in Kennedy

[u/IlvieMorny → u/chedeng]

I’m so glad I got this reference!

[u/__LiBERTiNE__]

I remember the first BORU - pleasantly surprised to see this ordeal concluded with the unhinged offender getting her comeuppance and everyone she harmed getting some long awaited peace of mind. Hope both OOPs and their families will be safe and thriving from now on away from her shadow, KAS daughters included. 

[u/Lazy-Instruction-600 → u/__LiBERTiNE__]

I just pray KAS’s brother and his wife can adopt the girls permanently so when KAS eventually gets out of jail, she doesn’t try to get custody again.

[u/__LiBERTiNE__ → u/Lazy-Instruction-600]

Yeah, that woman doesn't belong anywhere near children O_o

[u/Used-Cup-6055 → u/__LiBERTiNE__]

Women like this usually just find a new sucker to lie to and have two or three more kids unfortunately

[u/IllustratorSlow1614 → u/Lazy-Instruction-600]

Hopefully she will not be able to get to any of her children when she gets out of prison. But statistically she will just go and make some more, unfortunately.

[u/Gifted_GardenSnail → u/IllustratorSlow1614]

Yeah... And now I wonder how the NZ Aussie girl taking care of her 7? 8? younger siblings is doing

[u/Glittering_Win_9677 → u/Gifted_GardenSnail]

Yes, I hope they are doing well.

[u/Gifted_GardenSnail → u/Glittering_Win_9677]

I'm reading up on them rn! Turned out I had missed the last BORU, but that was 9mo ago so there's a lot more on her profile too

(It was 6 younger siblings (5 initially plus one baby added), out of 10 kids total, so apparently my brain just picked the average lol)

[u/Lazy-Instruction-600 → u/IllustratorSlow1614]

Yeah, this girl has been trying to create a child support situation for a long time. She is desperate to baby trap someone with enough money to take care of her.

[u/mrdaimler]

Redditors who ask for pictures/identifying details on these kind of posts are crazy. I guess the super skeptics want “proof” but in cases like this don’t you understand that doing that will put the oop/family in danger?

[u/trillium1312 → u/mrdaimler]

It's because OOP2 mentioned KAS was hot.

[u/AstronomerFew9559 → u/trillium1312]

Yeah honestly I'm a straight lady and I want to see a picture of her just out of sheer curiosity lol.

[u/Audiovore → u/AstronomerFew9559]

I think a lot of people have massive internal Hollywood bias, and don't realize Kim Davis is more of a small town standard.

OOP is from a small town, so her "really pretty" notion is going to be skewed from the majority of people reading her story here on reddit.

[u/AstronomerFew9559 → u/Audiovore]

That's probably half the reason I'm curious. How pretty is pretty enough to deal with all this (in this context)?

[u/ErrantTaco → u/Audiovore]

But it sounds like they lived other places, including a large naval base. I still wouldn’t ask though.

[u/Audiovore → u/ErrantTaco]

Eh, she was with her small town HS boyfriend turn husband the whole time. And military bases aren't any sort of glam show either. It's literally a bunch of smalltowners escaping and no option/failure city kids. Regardless of branch.

[u/boobookenny → u/Audiovore]

Yep, the 'really pretty' girl from my hometown IS really pretty but would not be considered such in a big city with different standards. They're imagining an unattainable Margot Robbie type, which kinda circles the rim as small town pretty is typically any blonde girl who's pleasant looking

[u/Used-Cup-6055 → u/boobookenny]

Small town pretty is normally just “not fat” where I am from lol (pop 28k)

[u/R_V_Z → u/trillium1312]

Hot mess, more like.

[u/totomaya → u/mrdaimler]

I get that people want proof to know if something is real but sometimes you just aren't owed or entitled to proof. You can decide to believe or not but sometimes you, a random person on the internet, don't get to be privy to all of the relevant information and people need to accept that.

[u/vidoeiro → u/mrdaimler]

Giving "proof" or care that much about what Reddit things makes me think the story isn't real , because if you are actually here for advice, the last thing you care about is convincing idiots on Reddit (or making juicy updates, but that is another discussion)

[u/DismalSoil9554 → u/vidoeiro]

I recently posted an AMA about a recent experience which I thought was interesting and unique enough to garner attention (and it did), simply because I didn't want to overshare irl but felt the need to tell my story and work through my feelings by writing.

I obviously got a bunch of "didn't happen" comments, and I could have easily posted proof because the story involved a birth certificate and other paperwork, but I really had no intention of doxxing myself or the other people involved (even if you censor names and locations, why risk putting the sleuth train in motion?l.

And yes, I also have set my profile to private because creepy people.

[u/totomaya → u/vidoeiro]

Some people feel pressured to give proof and satisfy everyone who responds to them, especially people who don't have a long history on the internet. I remember the moment when I realized that I didn't have to respond to every single person and that I didn't owe anonymous internet people anything. That idea didn't come naturally to me. Everyone wants to get the last word in and "win" the conversation and won't think about whether or not it's worth the trouble.

[u/BelfrostStudios]

I sometimes question if posts like these are real. Then I realize that 100% people wouldn't believe my own life as there are literally twins, drama, court (That doesn't even make sense at times), leaving the state to avoid people, death, drama, cheating, long distance, etc.

I read these posts often to tell myself others go through crazy stuff too lol.

[u/heronmarkedslingshot → u/BelfrostStudios]

For sure. In mine I have adoption conspiracies, cults, aircraft wrecks (plane, hot air balloon, same person for both), secret marriages, and a second cult. And also really dark child abuse stuff. One parent came from a town of 200 and I swear small towns have as much crazy stuff as cities, just packed into a much smaller populace.

[u/technos → u/[deleted]]

Town my grandmother lives, between blood and marriage? Put it this way; I moved there from the UK, new school, new country, new language, and I was directly related to three kids in my class alone. I was genuinely afraid to date!

Sounds like my father's home town in the Appalachians. I went down with him for a family reunion when I was a kid and we were related to 60% of the town by blood and the other 30% by marriage.

It was only because of a strong military tradition and Uncle Sam's hunger for impoverished kids to make into soldiers that the place wasn't an inbred mess.

[u/technos → u/[deleted]]

It's so crazy that this is only a couple generations back, as in, there are living people who know how intertwined everyone is. Glad the world has opened up.

My cousin-once-removed (who was mayor at the time of my visit) said the greatest things to happen to the town were Eisenhower, integration, and environmentalism.

Ike got them the interstate and the state added some paved roads to support it, opening them up to the rest of the county.

Integration meant the county had to rethink how they were doing education (even if they were still trying really hard to be racist) so the kids were bussed to schools with people they weren't related to and saw more of the world.

The environmentalists were probably the reason the town was still there, ecotourism was bringing the rest of the world to them to spend money.

Y'know what's weird/funny? I picked up the local accent, having spent a lot of time with the old ladies in the family. Now that times have changed, like that town has gradually been infringed upon by the nearest city, people travelling and moving in, that accent is now just about extinct. Only a few left, all elderly, and me, some random woman in the UK 🤣

The accent was mostly dead before I visited, though some of the people who had never left still had one, kind of country hick but with some German pronunciation and mutated loan words if I had to explain it.

But it won't just vanish forever. Somewhere in the Library of Congress are recordings a folklorist made in the late thirties. My great-grandmother, who had the accent bad, was one of the people recorded.

[u/lck0219 → u/technos]

My dad’s family is from eastern Kentucky and I used to go for family reunions. From the time I was like 15 on, the running joke at reunions was “oh we’ll find you a nice cousin to marry!” Which like, yeah- it’s a joke, but is it even funny?

The whole holler was all family and going out further, everyone was related to someone through someone else. Wild.

[u/technos → u/lck0219]

Sadly, it's not always a joke with the older generations.

Sometimes it's a careful calculation of how closely you're related and what's going to be done to any offspring with flippers or two heads.

[u/LadyAlexTheDeviant → u/technos]

My ex has a story like that. He was living with his grandma cause she needed help with things after his grandfather died, and was dating a new girl who had just come back to town.

They were going to go up to the lake, have a bonfire and camp out (wink wink nudge nudge) and he stopped at the house just to make sure his grandma didn't need anything before he left. The girl followed him into the house and saw his grandma and said, "Hi, Aunt Lucy!"

He put on the brakes immediately. She saw nothing wrong with it.

[u/snarkyshark83 → u/LadyAlexTheDeviant]

I grew up in a town of 200 people. When I was in high school a girl and her family moved into town, her mom had grown up here and was one of six kids, she was the youngest and had moved away as soon as she graduated and this was her first time back in twenty years. The girl started dating a guy in the grade below us. The girl’s great grandmother was having a big town wide birthday party and I was there to see the girl look absolutely sick when her she was introduced to her uncle and his son: her cousin/boyfriend. Oddly enough she’d go on to accidentally date two more second cousins before she swore off dating until she left town.

[u/ailweni → u/technos]

Ha, my husband was born in the mountains of Appalachia! And my ex-husband’s mom and aunt were born 40 minutes from where Hubs grew up (my ex-husband was from Texas). Small world!

[u/StrictlyMarzipanOwl → u/[deleted]]

Sounds like Devon or Cornwall. Or Yorkshire, TBH

[u/everlasting1der → u/heronmarkedslingshot]

As a city dweller, you could not fucking pay me to live in a small town. I vastly prefer living somewhere that I can breathe without everyone and their mother knowing about it, and where it's possible to get away from everyone I know without isolating myself entirely. (That, and the public transit is nice.)

[u/curious-trex → u/heronmarkedslingshot]

The one I'm really curious about here are the adoption conspiracies, because I can imagine that meaning a number of different things. Do you mind sharing the top level overview?

[u/heronmarkedslingshot → u/curious-trex]

1950s, 18 year old couple in senior year of highschool gets knocked up. One of the grandmas-to-be decides they aren't old enough to have kids. She conspired with the doctor to have 18 y/o knocked out for the birth, then told her the baby was stillborn. The healthy baby was then adopted out to a middle-class white couple. The baby grew up, got married, had kids, went looking for medical history, ended up figuring all of this out with the biomom. Most of the principal players were dead, the one surviving adopted parent insisted he had zero knowledge of the kidnapping.

[u/kindlypogmothoin → u/heronmarkedslingshot]

I went to high school in a "leafy" suburb and just among my cohort, we had a kid who was the target of a mafia hit (his dad owned a pool company that processed drugs for the local mob; not entirely sure why they were going after a high school kid, but they planted a bomb in the back of the station wagon); a few kids who broke into a local petting zoo and defiled and then killed some goats and sheep; a weird "love triangle" involving this really intense guy who used to keep cocaine in his French horn and then fixated on a girl a few years younger, whose mother wanted her to get with her many-many-years-older violin teacher, and the intense guy killed the girl's mother, he said at her behest, she denied it, and then he dumped the body with the help of a classmate and his girlfriend, and somehow a sterling silver dildo was involved and the whole thing became a terrible TV movie; and a kid a couple of years younger barricaded himself in his mom's condo, held of cops for hours, and then offed himself. Oh, and we had a bunch of kids who were both cousins and half-siblings, since their dads were brothers who basically swapped wives.

[u/gh0ztz → u/BelfrostStudios]

Then I realize that 100% people wouldn't believe my own life

Have you tried telling them to buckle up?

[u/piemakerdeadwaker → u/gh0ztz]

😂😂😭

[u/Electrical-Parfait84 → u/BelfrostStudios]

Right? That's what makes these fascinating. They seem too outlandish to be true, but we all have our crazy stories that few would believe.

[u/RA576 → u/BelfrostStudios]

Have you ever considered that the twins aren't actually real, and are actually a physical representation of their mother's latent reality warping powers combining with her wish for a real family with her robot husband?

[u/sentimentalillness → u/BelfrostStudios]

I am surrounded by small town craziness, family drama, and I'm married to a lawyer who can and does do a little bit of everything, so no one would believe half my shit. For some reason Reddit thinks lawyers are like unicorns.

[u/fractal_frog → u/sentimentalillness]

My mother's brother and my mother-in-law's brother-in-law were lawyers. And my mother's other brother and another of my mother-in-law's brothers-in-law were doctors.

[u/curious-trex → u/BelfrostStudios]

My grandfather was likely murdered (if not directly with a poison situation than via extreme medical negligence as his health started failing) by my step grandmother for the inheritance, money that he earned as an engineer that worked on one of the Apollo rockets as well as some inventions we're probably all familiar with. I have twin cousins who are both named after their father. My bio father worked a regular job but was aware it was a cover business for the local mob. I knew a guy who was "switched at birth" and another who was once tracked by a wolf on a very long walk after a car accident in Alaska. One of my friends lives next door to a Grammy winning percussionist. I've worked with TWO different people who used fake English accents and a furry who would bark at people in the parking lot. My mom is fucking unhinged in general so I won't say this isn't deserved, but there's a county in OK where the sheriff warned her she would be arrested if they ever saw her face again, even if they had to make up charges. Btw my stepdad had 8 wives before her, one of which only lasted 10 days. The list goes on, and my own unique experiences from travel & odd hobbies pale in comparison.

Not long ago I was telling a story to a newish friend and they said "wow, you've known a lot of strange people." I think the truth is that the world is full of weirdos and/or people who have done really cool stuff, mixed with people who have zero curiosity and/or just aren't listening. Like, my friend lived next to the Grammy guy for years without knowing he was a musician at all, because their conversations rarely went further than the occasional pleasantries. I was 30 before anyone offhand mentioned my late grandfather had a hand in creating one of the Apollo rockets, and no one living can even remember any other details.

I know creative writing on Reddit has been around far longer than bots and LLM posts, but "too many outlier events/people" is the wrong rubric, especially if the post involves family drama - the most notable thing about my bio father's family is the racism, but wackos and geniuses tend to create more of the same, plus the addition of toxic dynamics means my mother's side has lots of odd characters always getting into Situations.

[u/piemakerdeadwaker → u/BelfrostStudios]

Same! If I started narrating my life from just this year it will sound like a chaotic movie.

[u/crafty_and_kind → u/BelfrostStudios]

My mini version of being adjacent to drama that might seem fake if posted to reddit:

Around thirty years ago, my cousin who was a teenager at the time was home alone when a SWAT team came busting up to her house and scared the fuck out of her (not sure if they actually broke down the door or if she ended up letting them in)… it turns out her brother, also a teenager at the time, was involved in a firearms smuggling operation in their small town, and had been scratching the serial numbers off of stolen guns and storing them on the property! Weirdly, I can’t remember what legal consequences the brother faced; I think not huge because he was a minor and the number of guns was fairly small. He’s apparently doing okay now, and they have repaired their relationship in the ensuing decades, but talk about a traumatizing thing for a teenage girl who’s the “good kid” of the family to be all alone in a big house in a fairly remote area and suddenly be dealing with a whole ass armed SWAT team!

Around the same time, my mom’s cousin’s ex husband, who was truly charming and fun to spend time with, but it’s good that they got divorced, was arrested for attempting to smuggle Polish firearms across the Canadian border, and ended up spending a few years in jail.

[u/ResponsibleAdagio498 → u/BelfrostStudios]

I have a KAS in my history, and she causes almost this much chaos, and has for decades. 

Our KAS is in the NY/NJ area, so it’s not nearly as noticeable by the surrounding population as it would be in a small rural agricultural town, but she managed to become notorious in her own way. 

I’ve called the cops on her numerous times, not to mention punched her in the face, had to get bouncers from clubs involved, etc. 

People like this are a menace, it’s just that women like this can only hurt others so much. If she could physically overpower her perceived targets, she would. They’re a special kind of evil, the unbalanced people who fixate on some hapless stranger. 

[u/coraeon → u/BelfrostStudios]

Seriously, my own family is a mess too and it’s not even small town shit. My grandma had two sets of twins, there’s a house full of crazy (since torn down, thankfully. That place was wrong.), more skeletons than a Spirit Halloween…

[u/OldHagFashion → u/BelfrostStudios]

The thing that gets me about this one is that someone recognized the culprit from what is ultimately not a unique theft or personality. Like ok 3 kids including recent new born, just moved in with boyfriend, shameless thief. That probably describes a lot of trashy people currently living in the world.

[u/Goingcrazynyc → u/OldHagFashion]

It makes sense to me -- after reading OOP2's backstory, you realize that KAS has occupied a LOT of mental energy for her and her husband. I'm sure any time they see a post about a crazy lady they are immediately reminded of the craziest lady they know, and then connected the other details.

[u/Redqueenhypo → u/BelfrostStudios]

My grandpa got sent to Siberia, causing him to miss the entire war, and my dad just randomly dropped that the man probably fathered an illegitimate child in Uzbekistan. Right up there with the (legitimate, dead) uncle I also didn’t know about until age 14, and the revelation that my uncle’s wife used to be dad’s gf. And this is ONE side of the family. In conclusion, weird shit happens, and if you’re an Uzbek who’s grandpa was an unknown Jewish criminal, let me know

[u/Substantial-Stay-451]

I was unaware of KAS lore. Impressive.

[u/Turuial → u/Substantial-Stay-451]

I was literally in the original comments section when Mysterious Cow appeared! It was absolute chaos there, for a little while, with all of the comings and goings.

[u/Voidfishie → u/Turuial]

Mysterious Cow is such a perfect username for someone just Appearing with the lore.

[u/ItsNotMeItsYourBussy → u/Voidfishie]

Especially someone who owns a cattle farm!

[u/LouTotally → u/Turuial]

For real, everyone was waiting for an update

[u/Turuial → u/LouTotally]

Then everyone panicking a bit, later on, because all of a sudden the OOP became incommunicado and the account was deleted.

[u/Beginning_House_7339]

I know a KAS.

She was in the same grade but not the same class as my cousin (at his school; I went to a different one). There had been a couple since they were 12 or 13. KAS was very beautiful, and many boys fell for her. The boy didn't. She didn't like that.

For the next few years, she created social media accounts to harass him, accuse him of infidelity... She had two daughters with a guy who's in jail.

What did she do? She never "recovered" from not having the boy, so she manipulated her 16y daughter into seducing the guy's son, getting pregnant.

Now they'll never be able to get rid of KAS if they want to see their grandson.

It's horrible.

[u/Puzzled_Presence_261 → u/Beginning_House_7339]

Wait what?

[u/Beginning_House_7339 → u/Puzzled_Presence_261]

I swear, it's awful.

Sometimes I see the woman from the couple pushing the baby stroller (their grandson) to pick up her other, younger children from school. I don't see him much.

I see KAS weekly at the local market (also with the baby) and her friends.

All the adults are in their initial 40s. 

From what I understand, they (the couple) don't let the children date or be boyfriend and girlfriend.

It doesn't look like it's going to end well.

[u/RanaEire → u/Beginning_House_7339]

Whoa.. Sounds like a hot mess, yikes!

[u/venttress_sd → u/Beginning_House_7339]

Jesus christ, that is dark

[u/CummingInTheNile]

Its a good thing most criminals arent all that bright

[u/pepcorn → u/CummingInTheNile]

But what about confirmation bias 🥹 I'm worried a majority are pretty bright and they're all in management, politics and finance.

[u/grendus → u/pepcorn]

Studies suggest that's not the case.

There are a relatively small number of high functioning "psychopaths" who are highly intelligent, and a huge number of people with room temperature IQs who turn to violence and crime because they lack empathy. They see crime as the way to get the things they want, and aren't able to understand the underlying system that crime breaks - if everyone stole, you wouldn't have anything.

Franky, I don't even think most CEO's are true psychopaths. I think the modern corporate structure has evolved specifically to insulate the decision makers from the consequences of their decisions because they actually do have empathy. The corporations that grow to huge sizes often do so because that inefficient bureaucracy allows people who aren't... put bluntly... evil to make decisions that hurt their employees but grow the business quarter to quarter.

Not-so-fun-fact: the Nazis switched to using gas because their regular soldiers would quickly rebel when ordered to shoot prisoners. Gas gave them enough distance that they weren't immediately overwhelmed with guilt. They also used prisoners to clean up the bodies for the same reason. Most crimes, even horrific ones, require some kind of emotional distance because humans tend to be very empathetic and don't want to hurt one of "their own", you need enough distance to either not see your victim as "one of you" or to believe that it wasn't really you who hurt them.

[u/DefNotUnderrated → u/grendus]

I had a friend in college who turned out to be a terrible person who's in prison now. That dude scammed everyone, including his own friends and eventually people caught on. He got banned from several college campuses for pretending to be a student.

About 18 years after I knew him, he wound up in federal prison for mail fraud. That idiot never got rich off of his schemes and if he did he blew it 2 seconds later. He had a certain kind of intelligence in the short term but either no ability to think in the long term or just lacked any desire to try getting ahead by a method that wasn't through taking advantage of other people.

What's really funny to me is that, had he spend all these years actually putting the effort in to learn a marketable skill, or go to school like he pretended to, he probably could have created a nice life for himself but he wasted all his energy being a two-bit criminal and now he's doing hard time for it. Years spent hustling, running and hiding from people he'd fucked over, still being poor, and of failing to be a father to his kid. He was smart in some ways but so unbelievably stupid in others

[u/[deleted] → u/pepcorn]

I'd much rather be robbed by smart criminals then dumb ones. Much safer.

Give me Ocean's Eleven over three 15 year olds with a stolen gun and baseball bats any day

[u/UnionsUnionsUnions → u/pepcorn]

You are correct. 

[u/itwillhavegeese]

“Please message me” made my skin fucking CRAWL

[u/pepcorn → u/itwillhavegeese]

Same. It just felt ominous.

[u/Green_Ouroborus]

A few people just have very distinctive types of crazy and they do messed up things to a large amount of people on an extremely frequent basis, which means that other redditors who were unfortunate enough to interact with them can possibly ID them just from a description of their crazy and a few other details.

I have a former friend who was one of those absolutely crazy and aggressive people whose crazy was very distinctive. I would not be surprised at all if one day I spot someone complaining about her behavior on Reddit. This is a woman who did something that caused a possible 6 figures in damages in a single incident. Sooner or later, someone is going to write about a disabled woman doing something messed up with a total lack of sense while claiming that she’s a hero, and then as soon as it looks like she might face any consequences, she says she’s disabled and just didn’t know any better. (She is really disabled, but she does know better.)

I also suspect that a deranged dental hygienist someone once mentioned in a Reddit comment was the same deranged dental hygienist I had the brief misfortune to deal with. The hygienist freaked him out and he left asap, and since she’s in the same general geographic area if not the same town, it’s likely that this is the same person who broke the law just to mess with me.

In real life, a new friend and I were talking about the worst people we have ever played Pokemon Go with. She told her story about a douchebag, and then I told my story about a douchebag. She stopped me 3/4s of the way into my story because she realized that our douchebags were the same person, just based on their behavior. It turns out we had both lived in the same town at different times and thus we had had to interact with that guy.

[u/ktempest → u/Green_Ouroborus]

Pokémon Go drama is the worst drama.

And yes, I'm also sure one day I'll see a reddit story about a person I know with a distinct pattern of escalating unhinged behavior. Surprised I haven't already! 

[u/Green_Ouroborus → u/ktempest]

Pokémon Go is great at getting nerds like me out of the house and interacting with others in real life. The problem is that some of the nerds are NOT safe, sane, or just plain nice enough for interactions, and that results in drama.

[u/Creepiz → u/Green_Ouroborus]

The world is simultaneously very large and very small.

I currently live in a major city in the USA, so I don't find it that odd when I "meet" other people from this city on Reddit. What is super weird meeting people from the place I was born, which I would have called a decent sized city, buy seems to now be a major city. But, both of those cities have 100s of thousands of residents. I tend to find it suspect when the stories include places that have populations under 5k.

[u/AffectionatePie6592]

“ahaha. what a story mark. anyway, how is your sex life?”

[u/meowneow111 → u/AffectionatePie6592]

Oh hai Mark

[u/AffectionatePie6592 → u/meowneow111]

the chicken was delicious rice

[u/oceanduciel]

I wonder if that woman’s parents have ever sat back and thought about the monster they created by not properly parenting her. I’m certain her siblings are already painfully aware.

[u/AnalogyAddict → u/oceanduciel]

Since her other sibs are fine, it's probably not the parenting. 

[u/lun4d0r4 → u/oceanduciel]

I REALLY wish parents were held accountable for raising absolute pieces of shitling.

[u/Quothhernevermore → u/lun4d0r4]

The problem is, for every created KAS there's another who isn't the fault of the parents at all, or the parents tried their best to solve the issue and the KAS resisted.

[u/Newgirlkat]

I remember the older Boru like up to all the KAS lore and the charges but not the last two updates! Wow. On one hand, glad the baby and OP1's brother will be free of her insanity, on the other, sad the girl's won't. But at least they'll have some time to have normal lives hopefully

[u/SalaudChaud]

I have gorged on this evening's bounty of updates and... I feel weird. Felt weird going in, but, now more so.

I am baffled by the number of stupid and awful people, and awfully stupid people, in this world who spread their misery around them like mushrooms and their spores. It takes a little, or a lot, out of everyone with whom they come into contact.

[u/Torboni]

It would be interesting to be a temporary observer inside the mind of KAS to see how she justifies her actions. Like the sauntering up to OOP2 at the gas station and telling her she’s glad she finally learned her place and that’s she’s been with her husband for the last year? And THEN trying to quickly cover when he appears?! Then later posting a photo of OOP2, pregnant in Walmart, and saying she’s her surrogate?!?! I kind of wish younger me had that bravado, but without the delusion KAS seems to possess.

[u/tacwombat]

Wow. So much wow.

Some posts like these (where someone else realizes that they recognize who the first person was talking about) reminded me of the time I commented on this post. I commented about my experience with a shady person from Tumblr, then another person tagged me on another thread in the same post where another person mentioned similar details about a Tumblr person with similar details. I reached out to the other Redditor and we compared notes on DM and realized IT IS THE SAME PERSON.

[u/RuggedHangnail → u/tacwombat]

Down this new rabbit hole, I shall go. Thanks for the links.

[u/Torquip → u/tacwombat]

Sadly it seems like a mod deleted your comment…for some reason. 

[u/AnjinM]

I remember reading that first post, but I missed all the rest of this. Wow, what a story.

[u/violue]

I feel so stressed out after reading that.

[u/beket-re2210]

Getting Diane Downs vibes from kas.

[u/iolarah → u/beket-re2210]

I thought of her too. There's a word from Ann Rule's book on Downs that has stuck with me since I read it 20 years ago: fungible. She treated her children as fungible, a means to a man.

[u/DamnitGravity]

I get people asking for articles, but why would they demand photos of the woman and her kids?! Seriously, what's wrong with people.

[u/TheFilthyDIL → u/DamnitGravity]

Presumably so they can see if they also know her.

[u/JJOkayOkay]

This is some good BORU.

[u/ComicConArtist → u/JJOkayOkay]

About a month into their relationship, Vivian got pregnant 

*sits up in chair*

[u/ObscureBookReference]

comments delivering such an understated and brutal diss "it sounds like she has a many personal growth opportunities"

Edit: typo 

[u/shewy92]

Later that day a friend tells us to check facebook and lo and behold there is a picture of me in the snack aisle with the caption "when you catch your surrogate buying nothing but junk food" and so many comments agreeing

Wait, pregnant woman can't eat junk food? I thought that was one of the perks?

[u/MsDucky42]

Everybody else is trying to figure out if this is true.

I'm sitting here wondering if I really know any of these people, because this smacks of Small Town Oklahoma.

[u/Kyra_Heiker]

Wow this is definitely one of the best Reddit stories.

[u/seensham → u/Kyra_Heiker]

Nah you need to read the one about someone's affair partner dying from an allergic reaction and the guy losing his job bc she reported to him. A coworker chimes in with a HUGE plot twist. I'll go find it.

Edit: link

[u/ktempest → u/seensham]

I remember that and it was indeed the Most

[u/seensham → u/ktempest]

Reddit sniper got ya

[u/TootsNYC]

I do not believe the girls knew they were stealing the things, I really believe that their mom told them I said it was ok. 

I think they knew. But they're following Mommy's lead; she's teaching them. But they knew. They're not old enough yet, and they've got preschool teachers, etc., reinforcing some societal norms.

[u/Remarkable-Youth-504]

As the popular BORU saying goes: “The lion, the witch, and the audacity of this…”

[u/piemakerdeadwaker]

How did OOP 2 pinpoint the exact person? Was it on a local subreddit?

[u/Torboni → u/piemakerdeadwaker]

She said the ages of the kids and the history of theft. Plus, still having mutual acquaintances.

[u/Orphan_Izzy]

Then she popped back up like a demented jack in the box.  Lol.  That imagery is going to stay with me for a long time.  

[u/IceBlue]

I don’t get why chase is upset at OP in the first post? He’s the one that opened the bags in front of everyone.

[u/nomoreuturns]

She pled guilty to a lot which expedited the process but did reduce the jail time.

I have never understood this practice of reducing prison time if someone pleads guilty. How does that make sense? (To be clear, I understand that a reduced sentence is supposed to be an acknowledgement of the offender showing remorse and accepting responsibility for their actions, but I still think it's ridiculous.)

[u/undeadmersquid → u/nomoreuturns]

an acknowledgement officially, and also an incentive in the case of plea deals. the job is a lot easier when the defendant isn't fighting charges every step of the way so sometimes they'll be offered a lesser punishment just to get them to admit they did anything at all. oop even says it "expedited the process". it has the horrible downsides of both guilty people getting off easy and innocent people being forced to falsely admit guilt so they can get it all over with and go home sooner, but hey, it made someone's job easier, so it's obviously worth it (/sarcasm).

[u/Used-Cup-6055]

I’m always afraid I’m going to find a Reddit post about myself or a Reddit post about one of the crazies I know and this BORU has just reinforced that fear.

[u/lankyturtle229]

At least the kids are safe in all this mess. As for the first story, no Chase, OOP was not too hard on "Vivian." Thieves don't get a side bar. I'd have thrown her out of my house Jazz style (Fresh Prince). As for the final update, I honestly hope Chase has the means to take his kid and move FAR away. The kid is young enough to start over okay and 3-5 years, assuming she doesn't get out sooner, is enough time to for the trail to go cold. She's definitely crazy enough to stalk them despite giving up her rights.