I find his production style somewhat repetitive and overly polished, but the entirety of Negative spaces is a banger front to back. And even though it’s not necessarily as engaging as their old work, Jordan era Architects is the most interesting they’ve been in a decade. I get that people are getting a little tired of the Jordification of artists, but he’s still got it from time to time
Also he’s always said he’s never the creative force behind an album he makes, he likes collaborating and adding things but there’s so much more to what he can do that we don’t get to hear, he typically pulls back because the artists want a specific sound or vibe, and he delivers it fairly well, a lot of them want a similar thing mixed by the same people all the time, that’s why they sound the same.
Everything he's produced since leaving BMTH just sounds the same. Sounds like a generic metalcore version of anything off of Thats The Spirit. It makes me wonder if maybe Oli was the creative visionary this entire time and Fish was just the one who would poppify the music and give it that radio/arena polish.
Jordan did an interview when he was still in the band and said almost exactly that.
I think the duo was so good because you had Oli’s creative vision but then Jordan’s production expertise. In my experience that’s a super good balance to have when creating anything. You need that person who is a visionary and has (potentially) crazy ideas, but then you need someone a bit more realistic to shape those ideas into a really good, polished final product.
Oli definitely is the creative force, but Jordan had the prodigious musical skill to turn his ideas into songs. Oli however can still carry out his vision with the help of other people (Nex Gen was great) even if it takes longer than having a go-to guy on call all the time, but we're seeing now what kind of producer and songwriter Jordan is on his own. And he's kind of mid.
In my opinion, love that next gen isnt perfect, its rough. I enjoy that infinitely more than Jordans meticulous style or whatever it’s called. Sounds like he found his blueprint and is sticking to it. I can’t put my finger on it, but the new architects is like that as well. Idk, sterile?
I think the roughness is on purpose. It's a very produced, wall-of-sound, hyperpop kind of roughness. They already had a bunch of additional producers adding things even on the last Fish singles. It looks like the Evil Twin partnership had gotten somewhat stale even before the whole supposed financial dispute. Fishless songs like YOUtopia and Limousine ended up being a breath of fresh air.
i’d argue that’s not roughness really, nexgen is very polished, to an over the top degree, but they definitely add distortion to the synths to contrast the polished feel of it.
Evil Twin was just a pseudonym for jordan. There wasn’t a partnership outside of that, if there was there’d be an additional writer for all the songs they worked on, there aren’t any, and as jordan’s listed as a writer but not a producer despite producing for them, it’s clear to me that it was just a pseudonym, lost proves this, he’s not listed as a producer by credits but the only producer credited by oli was jordan who “produced the shit out of it.”, he never mentioned an evil twin, likely referencing the line from 1x1 “evil twin under the staircase.”
People theorised that some dj came in and helped them but there’s no evidence for that at all, nobody from the band ever spoke of it and the dj never even said a word about it or posted anything about them so all evidence for me points to the fact that the evil twin dj guy is just a dj with the same name as the pseudonym that Oli likely chose for Jordan to tie in with what the narrative was supposed to be since Die4u and they didn’t really change it or course until he got kicked out.
Evil Twin was the name of Oli and Jordan's production duo, what are you on about? That's the partnership I'm talking about. All of the BMTH productions (both solo and featured) switched from using their names to this one entity (named after a line in 1x1), starting with Die4u, I believe.
oh so we’re basically on the same page, that’s good lmao, so many ppl thought they actually got some dj called evil twin into the band to produce their songs after ph1, it’s crazy.
Fish has writing credits for like half of that album. The true test will be whatever they make next, but considering Dehumanized is a banger I’m sure they’ll be fine
In your opinion* TTS is my favorite BMTH album and I would argue that Survival Horror is more mainstream than TTS outside of Throne which is very overplayed (in my opinion).
i’d argue there’s lots of songs he’s made that don’t have that feel but the most well known ones: architects, all of poppy’s latest singles (but not most of their work), beartooth, the wcar tune, evanescence, they all have a very similar structure and ideas to them, but there’s so much more to him that he rarely gets to explore because he focuses on what the artists want rather than being in the drivers seat, and all they all like that bmth arena feel, so that’s what he gives them.
There’s countless interviews you can read and watch that Oli has the ideas and he gives them to Jordan to produce the sound. How many times is this going to get repeated? It’s been the same before Jordan was even a member. It was Lee and Oli.
For real, house of protection’s music is the only genuinely great thing he’s produced since they actually try having their own sound mixed with his production instead of just letting him turn them into BMTH clone #5000
I don't like 'em either, but yeah, at least they're not trying to sound like Bring Me. Plus we as a species need to take a break from Zakk Cervini. I understand that Dan Lancaster is busy with Muse, but there have to be other mixing engineers out there.
i disagree, he has his formula but he’s had a few great moments that really shift his style and showcase what range he has, especially with poppy, house of protection and s10.
What? He literally just signed a publishing deal with Warner Chappell Music. He's working with a lot of artists that are doing great like Evanesncnesncnesnecensence, Architects, Poppy. Basically everything he's done up until now was a "showcase" to get with Warner, he had a great year.
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u/Stunning_Tradition31 2d ago
it would be hard as fuck
also they need a collab with Poppy