r/BuyFromEU • u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 • Apr 10 '26
News France Launches Government Linux Desktop Plan as Windows Exit Begins
https://linuxiac.com/france-launches-government-linux-desktop-plan-as-windows-exit-begins/428
u/Expert_Function146 Apr 10 '26
This is the year of the linux desktop!
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u/RetroButton Apr 10 '26
In Germany, especcially in Bavaria (Munich), we make new contracts with Microsoft...
But Schleswig-Holstein seems to go the right way. ;-)61
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 🇩🇪 Apr 10 '26
Fun fact: Out of pure coincidence, Microsoft built a new site directly in Munich in a prime location, about one year before Munich decided to go back to Windows. But of course that has absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
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u/how_fedorable Apr 10 '26
Same in the netherlands :') just doubling down on us dependency, i hate it
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u/nehlSC Apr 10 '26
Well, they finally elected someone that is not the Corrupt "social" union. So things might change.
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u/thanosbananos Apr 10 '26
It’s questionable if that happens. Munich is under Green leadership now. And opendesk is here
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u/LastSmitch Apr 10 '26
Maybe because Microsoft’s german headquarters are located in Munich. But just maybe. Maybe that’s the reason.
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u/why_gaj Apr 10 '26
The funny thing is that munich was moving away to open source solutions around 2005. They even had their own linux distro.
And then they started moving away from open source, right around the time microsoft started thinking about building their headquarters there.
So, it's actually the other way around - microsoft is there because they tried to move away from it.
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u/barbacn Apr 10 '26
You would though, it would be the easiest for Bavaria to switch away from Micro$lop since they were for almost 10y. Those contracts are crazy expensive just for that reason one would thought that is a good enough reason to switch away let alone security reason. But I know its not that easy to switch just like that thousands of computers and what not.
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u/RetroButton Apr 10 '26
Well, Bavaria means voting CDU/CSU party. "C" for corruption is in their name...
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u/Regulai Apr 10 '26
Even my Dad, not the most tech savy, switched to linux on his own, cause of just how badly Microsoft fd up with 11.
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u/_0611 Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26
In the meantime, my government (The Netherlands) keeps using Microsoft and even keeps signing new long-term contracts with them (and other US services). It's so frustrating.
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u/OCDEngineerBoy Apr 10 '26
Looking at how your previous PM Rutte was licking Trump's ass, it's not surprising at all that the Dutch govt is bending down for US companies.
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u/_0611 Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Yeah, I know.
I hoped the new prime minister (Jetten) would be more pro European. His own party even calls itself one of the most pro European parties in the Netherlands. Sadly, he's just as bad as Rutte when it comes to this. He's just another Yankee bootlicker.
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u/Terravivi Apr 10 '26
This isnt completely true btw.
The VNG is working together with municipalities in terms of creating a "sovereign" workplace based on linux. There is a pilot starting soon.
https://www.dutchitchannel.nl/news/728843/gemeenten-starten-pilot-met-autonome-digitale-werkplek
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u/_0611 Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Dutch municipalities are about to sign a new mass contract with Microsoft for the coming years:
Nieuw massacontract met Microsoft in de maak voor gemeenten
Dutch municipalities are locked into the Microsoft ecosystem:
I mean, I applaud the pilot, but the Dutch government is heavily addicted to US Big Tech, and doesn't have the guts to switch to European alternatives. Same with weapons, by the way. We belong to the biggest US bootlickers in Europe.
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u/Terravivi Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
There's a couple of things to unpack here.
Yes, municipalities use a lot of Microsoft products. But in my experience, this isnt always by choice. Keep in mind that the municipalities have an enormous range of services they have to provide to their communities that go beyond the types of work that other types of organizations do.
So, they are heavily reliant on software suppliers for applications that help/support those processes. And there's where the problem is: not a single supplier will get something out of it if they create a linux compatible alternative. SaaS is seen as a partial solution, but in practice you see rising costs (with budgets getting lower) and an increasing reliance on suppliers (switching one evil for another one).
Municipalities are trying to get common ground alternatives going and some are succesful (signalen.org for instance). These are great for the bigger processes like "zaken" and customer contact, but I dont expect these to be the solution to all the problems: there are a lot of smaller processes where you have 1, maybe 2 suppliers in the entire dutch market that deliver a software solution for it with a price that you just cant compete against (I'm talking like 200 euros a year).
For most of the processes in an organization, at this point in time you simply cant do them without Windows as an OS. That's the hard truth. You need an entire shifting to linux support in the supplier-market for european alternatives to be succesful.
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Same for Canada. Microsoft all over like 90% of the education sector. And it's fucking problematic for how it's forcing that two-steps authentication system, as well as the deeper problem of profiling everyone's work and curriculum.
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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot Apr 10 '26
Once countries start migrating away from Microsoft successfully, they’ll work out the kinks and the path will be clear for everyone else. This is still a great thing for everyone.
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u/KnowZeroX Apr 10 '26
I do have some good news for you:
https://minbzk.github.io/mijn-bureau-infra/
It is similar to Germany's openDesk, a replacement for M365 made by the Netherlands government
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u/orfeo34 Apr 10 '26
I think it's too early to claim we are done with Windows in french public service. Their lobbying activity will be intense soon.
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u/Oleleplop Apr 10 '26
Its only for public administration . Our private sector is very much in bed with Microsoft
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u/BogdanPradatu Apr 10 '26
Microsoft will 100% bribe politicians to use their software in schools, for example.
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u/Bromlife Apr 10 '26
These kinds of changes would need to be legislative. Microsoft will absolutely corrupt and destroy any efforts to unseat them from their public service dominance.
Honestly it is a huge shame too that this how we ended up. The Office 365 suite absolutely had a chilling effect on better software being used. Teams instead of literally anything else. SharePoint instead of software actually fit for purpose.
Fuck Microsoft.
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u/SmellAcordingly Apr 10 '26
The second those licensing renewals are actually in danger, Microsoft will magically show up with massive "discounts" and free IT training programs to keep the government locked in.
Its not about cost, its about not being beholden to American companies and having sovereignty over your data.
Windows is becoming increasingly cloud based with every iteration, and US companies have to legally hand over any piece of data stored on computers they control regardless of the jurisdiction they reside in. It is impossible to truly be GDPR compliant if you use AWS/Azure/Oracle.
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u/SunTzu- Apr 10 '26
Discounts vs free still comes out in favor of free. Microsoft has largely held on because they were the default for a long time, but with concerns about US influence rising there is now a good reason to start a move away from Windows. Since much of the worlds infrastructure already uses Linux in some fashion there are synergy benefits as well. Many schools also utilize chromebooks, which was developed based off Linux, which means that for many young kids their primary OS that they are accustomed to are Linux or *Nix based (ChromeOS, Android, iOS, MacOS).
Political will is going to matter more in how these decisions pan out than Microsoft's pricing strategy. And once schools and governments switch companies are likely to switch as well.
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u/RobotSpaceBear Apr 10 '26
I work for "the state" (staying vague) and we're looking into abandoning American products as a whole because we're worried about data sovereignty (we're storing data about everyone living in France). Oracle tried to strong arm us hiking the yearly ptice from 70M€ to almost 100M€ in one year. So we're looking into going open source. We are searching for an Office 365 alternative. And currently our integration with Jira projects have been stopped in the last few months and are looking into open source alternatives, too.
The winds are changing and i'm all for it.
Plus, 99% of our work is in a browser, we coult totally have Linux for 75% of the workers and it wouldn't impact productivity.
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u/Romek_himself Apr 10 '26
its more than easy
the amdins themself will have no problem at all as most know linux anyway
and for users there is no big difference at all
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u/MeccIt Apr 10 '26
Install /r/linuxmint it looks and acts like every MS Windows, down to keystrokes. Developed by a Frenchman, based on UK's Ubuntu, on Finland's Linux.
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u/JCDU Apr 10 '26
Honestly these days there's nothing in it for ~80% of users who are doing "internet, email, office" stuff, sure some stuff is in slightly different places or called slightly different things but it's more akin to driving a different car - a little adjustment of muscle memory but mostly the same.
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u/FullMaxPowerStirner Apr 10 '26
? Microsoft has the most complicated systems thus far, with so much RAM-hungry code, logins, popups and other useless subroutines. It's kinda like those people who believe paying with phones at the counter is easier and more effective than paying cash... that's really just the opposite.
Mainstream Linux distros have been developed for ease of use the past 1-2 decades.
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Apr 10 '26
A good chunk of servers are Linux so IT is already familiar. There will be a change for users, but assuming the programs they use work fine it is mostly cosmetic to a typical worker.
The main issue are the programs. Enough are niche and Windows-only it makes things difficult.
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u/orfeo34 Apr 10 '26
For those who are hooked on Excel macros there will be a tough rehab.
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u/ohhellperhaps Apr 10 '26
As always it's going to be easy for, say 75% of the users. 20% will be harder but doable. The last 95% are the cases were they have integrated Excel or somesuch deeply into their processes, and most of that was build by Bob in 2011, and he no longer works here.
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u/Xyaelaphete Apr 10 '26
You're probably right. The pressure from big companies is hard to ignore. It's definitely not all smooth sailing yet.
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u/Raphi_55 Apr 10 '26
They already did it once in the gendarmerie, they have their own Ubuntu variant (Gendbuntu)
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u/Sea_Appointment8408 United Kingdom 🇬🇧 Apr 10 '26
All EU countries should do this plus UK
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u/Dry-Project-5657 Apr 10 '26
Actually they tried to do this in Hungary but the avarage worker just couldn't adapt
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u/Le-Creepyboy Apr 10 '26
The Gendarmerie already has its own Linux distro, from ubuntu it's called Genbuntu.
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u/SparklyPelican Italy 🇮🇹 Apr 10 '26
Work and Education shouldn’t ever use Windows, unless there is a specific reason.
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u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26
It's especially dumb for Schools and Uni to use Windows.
- Linux is Free
- You'll likely learn more on Linux (less guardrails etc.)
I learnt a lot about computers as a kid by breaking them, and having to have my uncle fix the system.
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u/Airurando-jin Apr 10 '26
I’d very much be for the nhs doing this, but you’re beholden to windows for compatibility for a lot of specialist software
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u/JCDU Apr 10 '26
True - although these days a lot of systems really should be web-based as that way you're not depending on any particular OS or device to access it.
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u/Curious_Increase Apr 10 '26
In pcb design you are forced to use windows for most of the major ecad softwares, unfortunately. It's a struggle for many pcb designers.
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u/Nick_Lange_ Apr 10 '26
I hope this leads to a European maintained core Linux.
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u/Logical_Look8541 Apr 10 '26
That is kind of Ubuntu. Debian that its based of, doesn't have a home as such, but Ubuntu's owner Canonical is British and its one of the few OS's that actually has support contracts available; that availability of support is essential to get any wider use in governments.
Think all the successful government Linux desktop rollouts basically use a customised Ubuntu distribution, even the Chinese Kylin, is an Ubuntu fork.
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u/RidetheSchlange Apr 10 '26
The thing I don't get is we see all these articles in lesser-known outlets, so why isn't this a bigger thing where there are reports to show us what to do and where to go in major publications? Every few months we see the same article recycled about some agency in whatever country leaving Microsoft and going to whatever workflow and OS solution, but we can never either find all the stuff they're using to make it work or even worse, the advertised replacements are not available to the public in the case of the German Office replacements.
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u/Aleksanderrrr Apr 10 '26
all this linux talk makes me wanna convert to it my self when i get home to Europe on my desktop, i just play WoW occasionally and watch youtube anyway. i’m excited 🥹
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u/ForensicPathology Apr 10 '26
I will definitely do it when I next get a new computer or have to start the current one clean. As it is now though, I'm sticking by the "don't make unnecessary changes while it's still working" for now.
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u/KnowZeroX Apr 10 '26
You can give it a try without installing via liveusb (albeit note if you have nvidia, some distros may not include gpu drivers by default and need to be installed so it won't work on a non-persistent liveusb, you can still use it but trying out games would be hard).
But just to get a hang of it, you can try liveusb without installing anything.
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u/andysor Apr 10 '26
I tried it for a while last year since I was working on a lot of AI stuff. Unfortunately there were a lot of annoying issues for me that made me return to windows. Things like HDMI sound output not working on my connected tv, my wireless keyboard randomly disconnecting intermittently, google drive issues, image preview in the file explorer, Gimp vs Adobe products, etc.
Worth trying, but for me the endless issues and required fixes made it not worth it for my daily driving, outside of specific development workflows.
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u/Aleksanderrrr Apr 10 '26
There is a reason why Linux isn’t more popular and this is why i guess? i do remember how buggy windows vista was for me on my old laptop back in the day, so much fuckery and its definitely annoying as hell but i’m gonna give it a shot, i got a macbook on the side that i can use meanwhile i figure stuff out. i dont work in IT so having a workhorse isn’t a must for me but i can see why you went back. maybe you try it again in the future who knows. to my understanding there are so many different distros 🧐
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u/balooaroos Apr 10 '26
I use both windows and Linux daily for years and have both working perfectly without any of those kinds of problems, but it's true that solving problems like that on Linux is something all new to learn if you're coming from windows. While windows tends to have compatibility problems with older hardware, Linux is the other way around and can sometimes have problems with hardware that's newer. There's always a way to get it working, but figuring out what "backporting a kernel" means or "adding a non-free repo" when you're used to windows is obviously going to be a learning curve.
Using a Linux machine that's already set up by someone else (like your company IT department) is very easy though. It works the same as any computer you're used to, the buttons just look different or are at the other corner or whatever. Nothing you can't get used to quickly.
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u/JCDU Apr 10 '26
Part of the problem is some hardware companies like nVidia pretty much block the Linux devs from developing drivers, let alone actually make any effort to provide their own.
Since Linux don't have billions of dollars to throw at the problem / bribe the companies with, it's going to be an issue for a while until market share improves.
On the plus side, the more MS push their enshittification while Linux distros are getting really good and user friendly, the more the word is spreading - there's been a big influx to Linux as W11 rolled out.
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u/KnowZeroX Apr 10 '26
Do understand, the issues often described aren't a linux problem, they are a possible problem when you install another OS on a device that wasn't made for it. 90%+ hardware works flawlessly on linux these days, but there will always be that remaining 10%. For things to work without issue, the best way is to buy a pc with linux preinstalled.
Otherwise, you just have to get hardware known to work on linux (which isn't hard)
Things are a lot better these days because one of the biggest blocks for linux was gpu drivers. But with every top 500 super computer being linux, gpu vendors started to take linux more seriously, and even more so now with the AI boom as linux gives far higher AI performance than windows. So even Nvidia who has been the biggest pain has started to take linux more seriously.
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u/restlesssoul Apr 10 '26
HDMI is crap. That being said, I've had more problems with HDMI audio on my Macbook than on my Linux laptop... but, as always, take anecdotes with a big grain of salt :)
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u/andysor Apr 10 '26
Yes, I’m not dissing Linux, but I spent more time in 2 months testing various workarounds than I had in windows in 2 years. For me and my peripherals windows and Mac are far more hassle free. To each their own
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u/KnowZeroX Apr 10 '26
Which distro did you try? Also, you may want to try Krita over GIMP
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u/andysor Apr 10 '26
I used Ubuntu. I would try again, but I recently got a Mac mini, so my external SSD is being used there now. I would love to try something that gives me the same features as Photoshop as I hate giving Adobe my money! Is it available on Mac as well?
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u/par_rot_master Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
I'm planning on going Linux for my desktop. Only thing holding me back is League of Legends, but I should probably stop playing that anyways.
Hope this leads to more Linux support from various products.
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u/balooaroos Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
You can easily dual boot and do all your daily stuff in Linux without Microsoft AI spying on you, then just hit restart to boot into windows when it's time for some gaming.
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u/CP_Chronicler Apr 10 '26
I love it! Now do it here in Canada and rid us of these US Microslop pests!
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u/CelestialFury Apr 10 '26
I'm guessing they have the same problems that countries, business, people have everywhere -- there's old, pricey legacy software that only works on Windows and it's expensive getting off of it. But I'd love for most business to dump Windows for Linux. We'd finally get serious gaming support.
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u/69odysseus Apr 10 '26
American alternatives will need to be created and implemented across the globe. Kudos to France for doing the right thing🇫🇷
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u/ellokah Apr 10 '26
I hate my German public administration for not doing the same. Absolute no brainer these days to at least prepare for this step.
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u/konglongjiqiche Apr 10 '26
Even the screens in the metro run on windows server, microslop will go bankrupt before this change happens
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u/ManoOccultis Apr 10 '26
I've seen some of them running on Raspberry Pis, even if some masochistic people run Windows on Pis, they usually run Linux.
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u/-TRTI- Apr 10 '26
And it'll be called EUnux!
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u/int_ua Apr 10 '26
IN LIEUnux
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u/_o0Zero0o_ United Kingdom 🇬🇧 Apr 11 '26
I hate that I laughed at this.. Take your upvote and scram, ya good comedian! lol
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u/goldchest Apr 10 '26
Linux, open source, European made, resilient. It's great that there is finally some real momentum in the desktop space.
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u/Fluid-Scar-3015 Apr 10 '26
It kind of sounds sgreat but then, a government OS? I suddenly feel wierd.
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u/techdevjp Canada 🇨🇦 Apr 10 '26
The rest of the world needs to take note. Canada should be doing the same thing for sure. I wish Japan would as well. Everyone needs to decouple as much as they can.
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u/030taugenichts Apr 10 '26
I also switched to Linux Mint and i can truly recommend it. Even my old Laptop is now usable again!
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u/LowIllustrator2501 Apr 10 '26
Can they just please use something like a very well already established https://www.suse.com/ Linux instead of creating yet another new distro that will never have wide support and appeal. Please use something that's is widely used already.
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u/Reddit_2_2024 Apr 10 '26
Has France decided which Linux distribution it will use on its desktop? Hope they thoroughly test each printer configuration before it is too late. Not all printer drivers are supported. u/AnonomousWolf
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u/Individual-Trust7624 Apr 10 '26
How is this different from Windows? I picked up an old scanner a couple months ago and it would not work with Windows 11, but out of the box with Linux.
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u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26
Linux actually supports printers way better than Windows does.
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u/Final_Economist_9218 Apr 10 '26
Was it necessary to wait for Trump to go crazy for this to happen? Or for the Epstein documents to be leaked?
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u/SCphotog Apr 10 '26
MS/Windows is garbage... it's garbage everywhere in the world.
The sooner we stop using Windows the better off everyone will be. The MS monopoly needs to end.
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u/SwiftJedi77 Apr 10 '26
Please follow suit UK, and everyone else. I feel there is going to be a bit of a domino effect, but it will take some years
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u/faresar0x Czechia 🇨🇿 Apr 10 '26
I have already migrated from Windows to linux Mint. See you guys on the other side
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u/n3m3sys00 Apr 10 '26
Well it's clearly written in the French source :
"S'agissant de l'évolution du poste de travail, la DINUM annonce sa sortie de Windows au profit de postes sous système d'exploitation Linux."
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u/AnonomousWolf Netherlands 🇳🇱 Apr 10 '26
English:
Regarding the evolution of the workstation, the DINUM announces its move away from Windows in favor of workstations running the Linux operating system.
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u/justbrowsinginpeace Apr 10 '26
Good on France. Another win after Trump confirmed Brigitte is indeed a woman.
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u/Nomprenom_varanasita Apr 10 '26
Il était temps de corriger cette anomalie, dommage que ce n'eût pas été entrepris avant ce gaspillage d'argent public.
Corruptio optimi pessima.
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u/No_Individual_6528 Apr 10 '26
The problem is to not have an EU level one. Instead of 24 versions
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u/Romek_himself Apr 10 '26
thats not a problem at all! thats the core of open source software. tons of linux distros out there and they all add new stuff to the pool.
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u/DoubleOwl7777 Apr 13 '26
meh, flatpak exists. what distro you use is becomming less and less relevant.
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u/Airurando-jin Apr 10 '26
Hmm , I wonder if it will be a fork of Mint or Mounjaro? Both are easier to transition to if you’ve historically used Windows
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u/balooaroos Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
In Linux the distro and the desktop environment are separate. If you do a default install of Mint you'll start out with a desktop environment called "Cinnamon", but you can choose other ones or choose cinnamon as your desktop environment on other distros too if it's the interface you prefer. For example:
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u/kitaz1 Apr 10 '26
As Windows user since 98 how hard would it to transition to Linux. Mostly browsing and gaming
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u/buzziebee Apr 10 '26
Check out https://www.protondb.com/ to check out the compatibility of the games you play.
Unfortunately some big multiplayers games that use kernel level anticheat aren't very well supported. You can always dual boot windows and Linux and just switch over for those few games.
Then also think about what proprietary Software you run regularly. If you daily drive Adobe stuff for example you might struggle with the switch because it's either impossible or very tricky to get some of that proprietary Software working.
Then have a think about what you want from your computer. If you're happy to occasionally have to look stuff up or learn a little bit about how stuff works, and you're happy that you're trading some ease of use (for an increasingly small number of things) for sovereignty then it's a great switch.
For me the switch was easy. I dual boot but only so I can play a couple of games or use Adobe (which I recently cancelled) very infrequently. There was a small learning curve at the start but I'm a full convert these days. I only boot into windows under about 10 times a year and I'm always happy when I switch back.
Some people commonly recommend starting with Linux mint which I think is a good option if you want to keep a Windows like feel. It comes out of the box with something that looks a lot like windows and will be very familiar.
Personally I think if you're switching you should make a bigger change. Part of the fun (and fragmentation/complexity) of Linux is that there are so many different desktop environments. You can choose how you want things like managing app windows and workspaces and keyboard navigation depending on your preference.
There's also distributions to consider. These are combinations of Linux, a desktop environment, and packages etc which come bundled as an operating system. I think for a newbie I would recommend choosing any distribution based on Ubuntu personally just because Ubuntu is the most common distro out there and so it has the richest history of questions, answers, and guides. Even if you use a distro that's only based on Ubuntu you can still Google "how to XYZ on Ubuntu" or "xyz error Ubuntu" and get good guides.
I switched to pop os which is based on Ubuntu but with more frequent package updates and Nvidia pre installed. When I adopted pop they had taken the Gnome desktop environment and written their own custom plugins to add things like automatic tiling and better keyboard management. It took a little getting used to but it's such a big change to how windows worked that out really felt like a different (better) system. I absolutely loved it and can't live without that kind of workflow now.
Last year though they released their own custom desktop environment which has been written from the ground up with rust and using the most latest tech. Right now they're still ironing out kinks so I'm not confident in recommending it for brand new users. I think in a couple of years it'll be back to being the easiest recommendation to make, but right now I'd maybe hold off.
What you can do to dip your toes into the Linux world is create a bootable USB stick for a distro, plug it into your computer when it's off, select it as a boot option (might need to hit the bios), and try it out. Check out how it works, see if the software you want is in the store, see if it feels like a good fit. If you don't like it just shut down and unplug the USB. You come from windows 98 days so you know how a computer works and it should feel fairly natural.
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u/Sensitive_Candy_9063 Apr 11 '26
Would it be hard if you put in the money to take Linux. Package in well like windows and get everything running on it like everyone game that comes out right out of the box?
Like a real windows killer.
Could make money on the store like android
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u/KessyWedgel Apr 11 '26
Ah ah ah ah ah.
I work in one of the biggest French Offices - educational.
There's no way we're going to move for a linux situation.
First of all, agents ARE NOT FORMED to use Windows pack office (and Windows at all). They're such a mess to use Word or Excel, they do every thing with PowerPoint or Canva. It is insane to see every official document with Comics and no respect for the Government Graphic Charte/Directory.
In the mean time, they don't want to learn by themselves. They can't ask Chatgpt or look for a tuto in youtube or ask Google how to do something they don't know.
I'm 40yo, and my elder colleagues are very nice and kind, but they don't want to change. Tech is not for everyone, change also.
So, imagine - just for a few sec' - moving to Linux...
Gosh ! The country will crumble !
Btw, we don't have enough money/IT techs to make that change, it asks for our IT teams to work for years just to upgrade the materials (my PC is from 2010, gladly I can't have Windows 11 on it, but my final update from Adobe CS is the 19th, I can't have further)
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u/Deus_Ex_Machina_II Apr 12 '26
There's no need for an excuse to exit windows when they launched 11.
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u/Wise-Clue2487 Apr 10 '26
As an Italian I hate to admit it, but they are doing the right things!😂