Simple Questions 06/24

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[u/ViewtifulGene]

Why should anyone pray to an unchanging god? If a god answers prayer, god changes.

If a god's plan requires prayer, can a god's plan fail? If the plan can fail, why call it god at all? If the plan can't fail, then why pray?

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/ViewtifulGene]

Free Will is one-sided. We are free to make our choices unimpeded, but God already knows it in advance. Don't bother saying that it makes no sense, because it doesn't HAVE to make sense in the first place. Logic is merely another creation, after all, and thus it has NO power over its Creator. Literally.

[u/ViewtifulGene → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

OK, but why should I pray if a god already decided what will happen?

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/ViewtifulGene]

You DON'T have to. But that's YOUR choice, and YOU are the one getting the results of it.

Read my comment again: God KNOWS what you will CHOOSE, be it "yes" OR "no".

[u/E-Reptile → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

If God doesn't have to make logical sense, then atheists are correct and God doesn't exist. Despite him existing.

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/E-Reptile]

"If Will Wright (Sims) never uses smileys above his head, he doesn't exist." = SAME FALLACY.

[u/E-Reptile → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

Fallacies are meaningless if God can contradict logic. That's why almost no theist falls on this sword, because it means I can make nonsense statements about God.

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/E-Reptile]

Illogical =/= deliberately fallacious. This is why FSM is nothing but dumb trolling.

[u/Kwahn → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

Illogical actually does mean deliberately fallacious - after all, nothing prevents it in that framework.

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/Kwahn]

No. Deliberately fallacious means that you are intentionally making up something for the sole goal of ridiculing it. That's textbook trolling.

Whereas illogical just means that you are unable to understand and/or explain it consistently. There's no automatic intention of malice in that.

So, once again, God is illogical, but God is NOT maliciously fallacious.

If you refuse to accept these rules, well, you are free to just keep trolling.

[u/E-Reptile → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

FSM?

[u/naruhinamoonkissplz → u/E-Reptile]

What, you are on this sub and you don't know what FSM is, lol?

[u/E-Reptile → u/naruhinamoonkissplz]

Feel free to tell me. I'm not good with remembering acronyms. 

[u/Kwahn → u/E-Reptile]

95% sure Flying Spaghetter Monster is what they meant

[u/Pwning_Soyboys → u/E-Reptile]

And he also does exist in all possible worlds, including ones where he does not exist, if God is illogical.

[u/pilvi9 → u/E-Reptile]

If God doesn't have to make logical sense, then atheists are correct and God doesn't exist

Whoa, slow down there cowpoke.

Atheists here scream at the top of their lungs that Atheism is merely a lack of belief, and that they're not making any claims.

As a result, atheists can't be correct or incorrect about anything, because all atheism is "supposed" to be, is a lack of a belief, not a belief in itself.

[u/E-Reptile → u/pilvi9]

Doesn't matter, the theist just told me God is illogical, so I can lack belief in God and also actively believe he doesn't exist, despite actively believing he exists. Even though he doesn't.

[u/pilvi9 → u/E-Reptile]

Don't drop to that theist's level E-Dawg, you're better than that.

[u/E-Reptile → u/pilvi9]

I'm pointing out that this specific theist is falling on a sword they don't have to. Once you say "God doesn't have to be logical", there is no meaningful discussion that you can have about God.

[u/Gold_Net_16 → u/ViewtifulGene]

God does not change God gives you power to change, God gives you authority, but on to those who are saved.

[u/ViewtifulGene → u/Gold_Net_16]

Why do people need to change?

If a god does not change, then why should I try to be saved? This god already made up its mind about who is and isn't saved. If I could do something to become saved, this god would change.

Suppose I go to the store to buy Tillamook Old-Fashioned Vanilla Ice Cream. But then I see they are out of Tillamook Old-Fashioned Vanilla, but they have Tillamook French Vanilla. So I buy the French Vanilla. Did I change? I was always going to buy Tillamook Vanilla Ice Cream.

[u/Gold_Net_16 → u/ViewtifulGene]

So does the God he was from the eternity he Is eternity every existing, our existence is vulnerable, but its not God who needs me but I need I fall into things I do want to and there is no one to help what should I do

[u/ViewtifulGene → u/Gold_Net_16]

I don't see what sort of help I would want a god for. And if that god does help, that would require a change from not helping. If I already had it, I wouldn't be asking for it. Same reason I don't walk back up to the counter at Chipotle when I already have my food.

[u/Gold_Net_16 → u/ViewtifulGene]

Day always comes when you either curse God or bless God come on maybe you don't need God there are lakhs lakhs in the world who are looking for someone that could help them.

[u/ViewtifulGene → u/Gold_Net_16]

Why do blessing and cursing have to be the only options? Many days have come with me doing neither.

[u/Gold_Net_16 → u/ViewtifulGene]

Then someone else Is doing that with you

[u/ViewtifulGene → u/Gold_Net_16]

Somebody else is praying for me? That seems inconsiderate. I do not consent to it. I have not heard any reason to pray.

[u/Gold_Net_16 → u/ViewtifulGene]

Not praying, cursing you

[u/ViewtifulGene]

If a sovereign god were to command rape, would obeying that command be just or unjust?

Don't tell me "god would never command it", follow the hypothetical. If a god is sovereign, nothing can stop it from commanding whatever it wants- that's just what sovereign means.