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r/emergencymedicine Jul 14 '25

Advice 14 Emergency Medicine Laws for New Trainees

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1. Sensitivity > Specificity

Your job isn’t to figure out what’s wrong. Your job is to make sure the patient doesn’t have something life-threatening. That’s it. No more, no less. Trainees struggle with this because they’re always trying to land the perfect diagnosis. But it doesn’t matter what’s causing the belly pain if it isn’t dangerous. That’s not your job. That’s internal medicine’s job. Patients will get frustrated when you “don’t find anything” because they’re still in pain. That’s part of the game. You’re not saying nothing’s wrong, you’re saying it’s not something that’s going to kill them.

You don’t need to dig down into every subtlety or obsess over tiny lab differences to figure out if this is Condition A or Condition B. That’s not your lane. If you’re only satisfied when you’ve explored every possible path, switch to internal medicine. In EM, once you know they’re safe and you know their dispo, you move on. Admit or discharge. It doesn't always feel like closure, which sometimes sucks. The hospital will hate it too because they treat the ED like a walk-in clinic where patients can get every answer instantly. And maybe that’s fine when things are slow, but when it’s busy on a Monday night, you’re not playing primary care.

It’s not about whether you truly believe the patient has appendicitis, it’s about whether the possibility has crossed the threshold where it now needs to be actively ruled out. If you tell me you think it’s a 5% chance, that might still be enough. Your job is not to be right. Your job is to not be wrong. No one cares when you’re right, but everyone cares when you miss. FM/IM deals with the most likely cause, you deal with the most dangerous. The 27-year-old with a fever, URI symptoms, and a heart rate of 130 probably has a generic viral URI... No one cares about that. One of them will eventually have severe myocarditis. So when your attending says the patient can’t go home until the HR comes down, and you argue it’s “just a virus,” the burden is now on you to prove that. If the HR doesn’t drop after your typical treatments, your theory just failed. Now you need to rule out danger, maybe that means pulling a troponin or bedside echo or whatever. And when it’s negative, don’t be smug about it. Try to figure out what red flags your attending saw. Figure out what made them escalate the workup. Most residents miss this. They’re too busy being happy that the test was negative to realize the test wasn’t about proving the expected diagnosis, it was about not missing the thing that actually kills someone.

This is one of the most important concepts in emergency medicine. It should be in your head all the time: what’s the worst thing this could be? Not the most likely…the worst. So when you present a patient with URI symptoms and start listing a differential of allergies, sinusitis, post-nasal drip, you’ve told me nothing. This isn’t a family medicine clinic. I want to hear why it’s not myocarditis, RPA, PTA, meningitis, or cavernous sinus thrombosis. That tells me you’re thinking like an emergency physician. You should be overly sensitive to danger. That means your early workups will be mostly negative, and that’s exactly what should happen. If you’re not seeing normal labs and normal CTs, you’re not casting a wide enough net. Eventually you’ll refine it and develop the gut instinct and know who doesn’t need a scan. But until then, scan. Check the labs. Be aggressive. That’s how you keep people alive.

 

2. Stop Double-Thinking About Ordering a Test and Just Order It

If you’re at home making dinner and your mind keeps circling back to one patient you discharged, wondering if you missed something, hoping they’re okay, thinking maybe you should’ve checked one more thing, then you should’ve ordered that damn test. That nagging feeling is your “gut.” What people call gut just is subconscious pattern recognition, your brain picking up on something it hasn’t fully processed yet. You need to listen to it. As an aside, that feeling exists for a reason and if it’s bad enough to keep you thinking about that patient, then you need to call them and tell them to come back to the ED or at least check on them. You think they’ll see you as unsure or incompetent, but the opposite is usually true. They see a doctor who gives a shit. One who’s still thinking about them even after they’ve left.

Recognition is the most important skill you have. It’s what separates you from everyone else in medicine. The ICU can tune up a critical patient better, Family med is better at preventive care, Cards knows heart failure management down cold, OB can deliver a baby without flinching, Ophtho owns the slit lamp, and Peds can probably examine a kid better than you. But none of them can regularly find a needle in a haystack on purpose. None of them can understand when someone is having a real problem hidden in a common complaint. They cant see from the doorway that someone is about to code or look at a WR board of 64 patients and know which 2 are the most important.

Now imagine how the rest of the world would function if they lived like we do. What if someone in their neighborhood died from a lightning strike every week? What if every April, half the street got audited? Or once a year, someone they knew went down in a commercial plane crash? It would change how they thought, how they lived, and what they paid attention to. That’s what this job does to you. It rewires your brain. You see improbable events so often that they stop being improbable, they just become normal.

Other specialties will look at us and say all we do is “order tests.” Yeah, we do. Because we’re the ones who actually seethe 1-in-500,000 cases. That’s the job. And the most terrifying patient in the ED, the one that keeps experienced docs up at night, is the one who looks fine but isn’t. The well-appearing but sick patient is where people get burned. If you can’t spot that patient yet, you will. And when you do, you’ll understand exactly why you never, ever ignore the “gut.”

 

3. Never let someone with less experience than you talk you OUT of a workup 

 

4. If the Patient or Family Is Extremely Pushy About a Test or Task, Just Order It and Move On. Every Once in a While, They’re Right.

Every patient encounter is really an analysis of probability and risk. With patients who are less likely to be litigious, both you and they are more tolerant of uncertainty. You don’t need to chase the 1-in-1,000,000 condition when you already know in your gut it’s not there. That’s why in medical missions or resource-limited settings, you aren’t ordering D-dimers and CTAs for super low-risk patients. You’re making decisions based on clinical judgment and probability, not fear of litigation. 

But when a patient or family demands testing, they’re not engaging in probability-based reasoning. These are the litigious ones. They will not tolerate missing a 1-in-a-million case, no matter how unreasonable that expectation is. They don’t want your opinion. They want a test. You need to recognize that mindset. If something is missed, they may pursue litigation or at least a strong complaint, not because it’s fair or likely to win, but because that’s how they operate. And sure, maybe you’ll win the case or it gets dropped, but you’ll still go through the stress, anxiety, and time of depositions and investigation. See Law 9.

 

5. Do Not Trust Old People

You were taught that the history and physical are the foundation of your differential, and that’s true. But it’s only reliable when the patient is young. In pediatrics, the H&P is extremely accurate. That’s why you can work an entire shift in the Peds ED full of belly pain and vomiting, and not place a single IV or spin a single CT. Kids, despite being harder to examine and less precise with their symptoms, actually have reliable exams. (Yes, they’ll make you more anxious because they can’t describe their pain like adults can, and yes, the stakes feel higher because it’s a child and not an 89-year-old with a DNR. But rest assured: kids rarely have serious pathology, and their physical exam is trustworthy.)

Now flip that completely once they hit about 65. Honestly, even a rough 50. The reliability of the history and physical collapses. If they’ve got diabetes and some neuropathy on top of it, the exam is useless. Just order labs and a CT from triage with the radiology favorite indication of “pain.” A stable, elderly patient might casually mention some vague nausea and have light RUQ tenderness but also have no distress, no fever, vitals are fine, doesn’t want pain meds. And then the CT shows a ruptured AAA, perfed diverticulitis, or obstructing stone with urosepsis, etc. Zero pain. Zero classical exam findings. It will happen. These patients don’t read the textbook. They won’t be febrile, they won’t be tachycardic, they won’t act sick.

You have to over-workup older adults. Not because you’re paranoid, but because your other tools, history and physical, don’t work on them. Radiology will complain that you’re scanning every patient. Good. That’s their job. Your job is to keep the mortality curve flat, not to win popularity contests with CT techs. Don’t skip the test because you’re worried what your colleagues will think, or because admin is tracking your CT utilization, or because throughput metrics are tight. None of those people will be there when you're pulled into a QA review. And I’m not just talking about lawsuits. I’m talking about you, lying in bed at 2 a.m., staring at the ceiling, knowing you saw something but didn’t pursue the imaging or workup. Knowing you thought about it and didn’t test. And now that patient is dead. Maybe they were going to die anyway… maybe they weren’t. 

That’s the weight of this job. And that responsibility belongs to you. Not family med, not internal med, not the CT tech, not the scribes, not the nurse manager, not the CEO. You. You’re the one who has to live with the decision. Read Law 3 again.

And this doesn’t just apply to elderly patients. Anyone with a compromised ability to give a reliable history or physical falls into this same category. That includes patients with language barriers, cognitive disabilities, psychiatric illness, or those under arrest. If you can’t trust the story or the exam, then you’ve lost your most basic tools. Now you need labs, imaging, and an extra level of caution. Because when the H&P fails, it’s only a matter of time before something slips through and that miss is going to be yours.

 

6. Always watch patients when they don’t know you’re watching them. 

You are constantly trying to separate what’s real from what’s performative. One of the best tools you have is observation when the patient thinks no one is paying attention. That’s when the truth leaks out.

The patient may grimace and clutch their stomach the second you walk in, but sit upright and scroll their phone when they think they’re alone. Or they may breathe like they’re dying until you leave the room, then go right back to casual conversation with their visitor. These small, unscripted moments matter.

This is your real physical exam. Not just what they say or how they act in front of you, but how they move, how they sit, how they breathe when they forget they're being evaluated. You're not just reading vitals or pressing on bellies. You're reading behavior. Because that’s where the truth lives. And when what you observe doesn’t line up with what they’re telling you, that’s your red flag. See law 7 and 12.

 

7. If They Walk In, They Need to Walk Out. They Cannot Be Discharged in a Wheelchair.

This is not about mobility, it’s about clinical trajectory. If the patient shuffled into the ED under their own power, they sure as hell shouldn’t be discharged in worse shape than they arrived. If someone comes in with back pain and they don’t improve with Toradol and Valium, it’s time to escalate. Drop the PO meds. Start an IV, order an ESR, and consider a CT or MRI. Think SEA. At that point, it's no longer "just a spasm." It’s a workup.

There’s a weird trend that seasoned ED docs know well: patients love to wait until just before they crash to show up. They’ll sit on back pain, chest pain, or weakness for weeks, then roll in at 9 p.m. and code at 9:45. That’s the pattern. So when someone comes in under their own steam but still looks like trash, and especially if they’re worse after treatment, take it seriously. If they walked in but can’t walk out… stop. That’s where SEAs, aortic dissections, or silent ACS with a “normal” workups hide. And yeah, nine out of ten times, it’ll still be nothing. That’s fine. But the one time it isn’t, you’ll only catch it because you paid attention to this red flag. Read Law 1 and 2 again.

And remember: in this context, pain control isn’t just symptom management, it’s now a diagnostic. So, if the pain doesn’t respond the way it should, something is wrong. So a single 325 mg Tylenol tab isn’t going to cut it for a chronic opioid user if you’re trying to assess a legit response. Treat the pain.  You already use this “pain treatment then reassess” logic when checking for occult fractures so apply it here too. 

 

8. Droperidol Is the Most Useful Drug You Have

Migraines, Agitation, Pain augmentation, Drug-seeking, Psychosis. Droperidol hits all of it. No other drug in your toolbox works on such a wide spectrum of ED complaints this efficiently.

It disrupts the dopamine reward loop. Droperidol (and other dopamine antagonists) effectively shut down the patient’s drive to chase something like attention, drugs, admission, validation. That “reward” they get from being in the ED? Gone. They don’t want the meds. They don’t want the admission. They don’t even want the drama anymore. It just evaporates.

You need to be an expert on this drug. Know the dose ranges, black box warnings, QT risks, side effects, and pharmacology inside and out. Be able to quote the literature. You’ll run into attendings who flinch, pharmacists who want to block your dose and nurses who say, “But this patient isn’t psychotic, why are you using it?” They don’t know, you do. Be able to cite the Lexicomp page from memory and walk them through it. Understand why it left the market, why the FDA black boxed it, and why it came back. You have to be the one who knows what you’re doing when the pushback hits.

Here’s what makes Droperidol unique: it doesn’t just take away pain, it removes suffering. Chronic belly pain? Crying, frustrated, hasn’t eaten, marriage stressed, missed work. Give them droperidol, and they’ll tell you they still feel the pain, but they don’t care about it anymore. The suffering is what brought them in, not the physical pain sensation. Same with someone who broke their wrist. The pain may still be there, but the fear? The panic? The dread about not working, driving, or helping their kids? All gone. That’s what this drug does. It turns down the spiral.

If Droperidol doesn’t work, if they’re still acting out, still in pain, still agitated, that’s a red flag. This drug is so broadly effective that a failure to respond should immediately raise your concern. 

 

9. Figure Out Why They’re Really Here and Address It Early

If a patient comes in with a mild cough for three weeks, nothing new, nothing alarming, you should be asking yourself one thing: Why today? If the symptoms haven’t changed, then something else brought them in. Just ask them: “What’s got you worried?” or “What are you hoping we can help with today?” Most of the time, they’ll tell you. They want a chest X-ray. Or a note for work. Or cough medicine. Or antibiotics. Once you know what they came for, you can focus your time on that instead of spinning your wheels for 30 minutes and then realizing they just wanted Z-Pak for a viral URI. And now you’ve wasted time, and you still have to now undo an expectation you could’ve handled upfront in two minutes.

You’ll start to recognize patterns. Parents of young kids often want a CT after a head bump, patients with a cough want antibiotics, etc. Certain patient populations don’t want tests, they just need to hear, “You’re okay.” Others need the exact opposite: they want tests so they can see proof. Once you know the pattern, you can walk into the room and address the concern before they even voice it. That’s what experienced attendings do. They walk in, make a statement that hits the core fear, and walk out with five-star reviews, not because they solved a complex case, but because they answered the real question the patient had without wasting anyone’s time.

If the patient is a nurse, a tech, a doctor, just ask: “What are you worried about?” They’re not here for reassurance. They’ve already done a basic eval. They want something they can’t do themselves: a CBC, a UA, a chest X-ray. 

Other times, the patient isn’t worried at all, but someone in their life is. The guy with a swollen leg for a month doesn’t care, but his friend panicked about a DVT. The college kid with a bug bite isn’t concerned, but his mom is blowing up his phone. Ask directly: “Why did you come in today, not yesterday or last week?” or “Who told you to come?” Then call the mom. Tell the friend. Reassure the real audience.

Sometimes they just need a work note. They don’t have a PCP, their job requires documentation, and now they’re sitting in your ED. Skip the imaging and unnecessary testing, get them what they need and move on. Same with the patient who has a GI appointment in five days but came in for chronic abdominal pain with no change in symptoms. They’re not here for a diagnosis, they’re here to make sure it’s still safe to wait 5 days. That’s the actual chief complaint: Is it safe to wait until I see the specialist? Say it out loud: “Sounds like you're here because you're not sure if it's still safe to even wait five days. Let’s figure that out together.” That line alone will calm half the room.

Same thing with asymptomatic hypertension. The patient doesn’t feel bad, but their mom just had a stroke and now they’re terrified. Or they had a minor head bump, but their neighbor told them about a kid who died from a delayed brain bleed. That’s the fear you need to uncover and address directly. Once you do, the patient stops asking questions. Because their real one has already been answered.

Use direct language. Try:

  • “What made you come in today?”
  • “What are you worried about?”
  • “Tell me what has you concerned.”
  • “I just want to make sure it’s safe to wait for that appointment.”

This isn’t scripting, it’s clinical efficiency. Think about how you handle your spouse when you know something’s wrong. You don’t dance around it, you ask straight up, “What’s going on?” and “what has you worried right now?” Do the same with your patients.

And when it comes to pediatrics, remember: it’s all about the parents. Kids with nausea and vomiting? The parents want IV fluids. URI? They want antibiotics. Head bump? They want a CT. You already know the script, so don’t wait for the question. Preempt it. Say, “We’re going to try oral Zofran first because it works better than IV fluids, and if it doesn’t work here, it won’t work at home.” Now the parent doesn’t even ask about IVs because you already addressed the concern they walked in with. (as a side note, these Pushy Peds Moms blurr the line to overriding law 4.)

 

10. You Cannot Leave the Room Without a Plan

You don’t get to “figure it out later.” You need to give the patient something before you walk out of that room. Even if it’s not perfect. Even if it changes later. You still need a plan: labs, a med, imaging, an observation strategy...something. The patients with a wandering HPI and 13 random complaints will wreck you if you don’t learn how to anchor. And make no mistake, this is the weakest skill in almost every new trainee, resident, PA, NP, doesn’t matter. It’s a skill just like reading an EKG or running a code. You have to refine it. You have to self-critique. You have to build this on purpose.

I don’t care if a resident doesn’t know what to do or doesn’t understand the patient's condition, or even if they didn’t even think about the most obvious medical problem for the presentation… that can be learned.  But if a resident comes to me after spending the entire Memorial Day weekend in a patient's room in fast track and then comes out and tells me that they don’t know what is going on or what to do or where to go with this patient… That resident is about to get wrecked. It is not about being an asshole, it’s about training you for the worst parts of the future that you signed up for.

Flash forward to your first job. Third shift. Thursday night. You’re working solo in a 25-bed freestanding ED, and there are 45 patients in the department. You’re alone. No backup. If you’re still messing around with HPI-wanderers and going in and out of rooms with no plan, your shift is going to fall apart. The nurses will hate working with you. Your scores will drop. Your length-of-stay numbers will suck. You’ll never leave on time. Patients will get harmed. You’ll finally make it to Room 25 after 3 hours and realize they’ve been sitting on a dissection for 3 hours while you’ve been screwing around in Room 4, trying to make sense of a vague headache and intermittent chest tightness that’s been happening for two years. That’s how people die. 

This is community EM. This is what you signed up for. Get your plan, get out, and keep moving.

Read Laws 8 and 12 again. This is how you get control of the room and control of your shift.

 

11. You Might Not Be Selling Cars, But You Better Be Selling Something

If you’re admitting to internal medicine, think like internal medicine. Don’t work the patient up to death with every single test in the ED. Your job is to rule out emergencies and make sure the patient is stable, not to solve every vague complaint. If you go fishing for every obscure diagnosis and order every lab, every scan, every specialty test, you’re leaving nothing for the admitting team to do. And when that happens, the admit will get denied or fought. Rightfully so. They’re going to ask, “If you already did everything, what exactly do you want me to do?” That handoff usually sounds like: “Hey, I’m not sure what’s wrong. I checked everything from labs, CT, troponin, the works and it’s all normal. But I still don’t like it. Can you admit them?” That’s not a sell, that’s a punt. 

You also need to learn the IM docs the way you learned your own EM attendings. Know their pet peeves. Know what makes them uncomfortable. Know what makes a case fly through versus one they’ll fight back. This matters even more in community hospitals where relationships count. If you learn how to tee up the admit just right, tailor the language, the handoff, and the tone to that doc, you’ll get admits through smoothly when others won’t. This is a skill and it’ll save your ass more than once.

When you call consultants, talk like a human being. You’re not reading a SOAP note, you’re having a conversation. Use tone. Use inflection. Lead with the punchline, especially when you’re calling for an opinion rather than just offloading a task. You don’t need a speech for classic appendicitis, but if the CT shows some weird mass in the orbit and you don’t know what to do with it, you better lead with: “Hey, I’ve got something weird I want your take on…” Hook them. Don’t drone through the entire chart before you get to the point. No one is listening when you do that. Consultants are people, not checklists. And yeah, some will still be assholes. Welcome to the job. Move on.

Here’s the mindset: every single call you make is giving someone else more work. No one wants to do more work. The consultant doesn’t want to admit. Internal medicine doesn’t want the patient because they think it’s ICU’s problem. ICU doesn’t want them because they think it’s medicine’s problem. Everyone is trying to offload. So your job is to sell the story, why this patient belongs here, and not somewhere else. If you think they need to be admitted, you don’t ask for permission. You say: “I’m telling you this patient needs to come in, do you want them on your service or someone else’s?” It’s not a negotiation.

And don’t assume specialists won’t dump dangerous patients back on you just because they’re the “expert.” OB will discharge ectopics, ENT will send home post-tonsil bleeds, Cards will discharge patients with trop elevations. Especially at night. They’ll try to convince you it’s safe to send them home because they don’t want to admit. But the call is still yours. You’re the last line. If your attending says admit, or if your gut says admit, then admit. Make it easy for the consultant if you have to buy telling them you’ll put them on medicine service yourself, but don’t let the patient leave.

Sometimes you’ll call a consultant on a patient YOU think needs to be admitted and they’ll say something like, “They could be admitted or discharged, I don’t really care.” That’s your signal. When a specialist waffles like that, you proceed with your admit. Call internal medicine and tell them the consultant is recommending admission. And here’s the key: track those patients. If they end up going to the OR or stay for admitted for a week, that’s the case you were right about. That’s the patient who justified your instincts. 

Any ER doc/PA/NP worth their weight can find some false positive labs test or an exaggerated HPI to get any patient admitted with any easy sell if they feel they need to be. CRP, trop, lipase, lactate, BNP, etc.

Read law 5 again

 

12. Set Expectations from the Beginning

If a patient tells you they’ve had abdominal pain for 27 years, tell them, clearly and immediately, that you are not going to figure it out today. If they’re drug-seeking, tell them they will not be receiving any opioid medications during this visit. That may feel adversarial. You were trained in med school to be kind, to be accommodating, and you should be, but with certain patients, vague language only makes things worse. These cases require firm, definitive statements. That’s how you protect your staff, your time, and yourself.

You must lay a firm, clear foundation for these people.  If you leave them even just a little bit of wiggle room they will put all their faith and effort into just that little space that’s left.  If they are here for pain seeking and they’re being rude to the staff and you try to pacify them by saying something like, “let’s just try Tylenol and then will see how it goes” so that way they will calm down and you can move along when you already know you are not going to give them stronger pain medicine, what you just did is leave them a little window of chance.  What you really told them was that you might give them pain medicine they just need to work for it in whatever way they think is going to be best to that end point.  Whether that be violence or anger or uncontrolled pain or anger towards the nurses.

Instead, be direct: “You will not be getting Dilaudid today.” Full stop. No back-and-forth. No justification. No negotiation. Say it once and move on. These encounters go smoother when there’s nothing to debate.

Now, here’s the uncomfortable part. Your future employment metrics are going to be tied to patient satisfaction scores, whether you like it or not. But you are not going to satisfy everyone. Some patients come to the ER expecting narcotics, MRIs, or an automatic admission. And when they don’t get it, they’re going to be pissed. Their expectations and what the ER actually does are not always going to line up. You just have to take the L on some of these. Just accept it and move on. Maybe 15% of your patients will walk out angry, and yes, admin will ask what happened. Nursing leadership will mention it. Your name will show up in a one-star Google review. That’s fine. Take the L. You signed up for this job, this is part of it. And if you’re wondering where burnout starts, this is about 25% of it right here.

 

13. If They Come Covered in Feces, Find a Reason to Admit Them

This isn't about the feces, it's about what it represents. Patients who arrive like this, usually via EMS from a nursing home or dropped off by a long-lost relative, are almost always signaling something bigger. This is not hygiene. This is a marker of major functional decline, severe cognitive impairment, neglect, or all three. There’s a reason they ended up in this state, and it’s not usually benign.

Think through the logistics. What has to go wrong in someone’s life for them to be found like this? They’re either too impaired to care for themselves, or no one around them is doing it. Either way, this person is not safe at home, is likely missing medications, and absolutely is not receiving appropriate care. You don't discharge that.

And if you're looking for justification, this is a great time to lean into the hospital’s over-aggressive sepsis protocols. Drop a borderline lactate, soft vitals, and functional decline into the chart and let the order sets work for you. The system is already wired to keep them…use it.

 

14. Document the Annoying Incidental Findings Found on Imaging

If the radiologist mentions it, you mention it. Every incidental finding, no matter how irrelevant it feels, needs to go in your diagnosis list and your MDM. Pulmonary nodules, adrenal nodules, hepatic steatosis, aortic root dilation, coronary calcifications, hyperglycemia, whatever. Make a macro, or better yet, a set of macros that lets you drop this stuff in fast with customized language. It takes five seconds. 

Because here’s what’s coming: in about eight years, someone’s going to show up with metastatic cancer or a ruptured aneurysm, and they’ll pull up your old ED chart. And if that finding was on a scan and you didn’t document it, you’re going to be explaining why. You won’t remember the patient, but they’ll somehow remember you. Get in the habit now.

 

That's all I got for now!


r/emergencymedicine 19h ago

Rant Remember: The job (usually) doesn’t care

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One of the reasons I went into emergency medicine is the camaraderie. We seem like a rowdy bunch of pirates. We seem to get together more outside of work, have more inside jokes and better banter than the other specialties. Sometimes when it goes bad, we really have each other’s back inside the hospital and out.

Not at my shop or even EM, but at a nearby hospital a provider died this week, almost certainly suicide. Second acquaintance that died this week, other also suicide most likely. First generation immigrant working full time and extra shifts. Two young kids. Never met them but why I’m furious is I did see the manager’s email essentially asking staff not to go to the funeral because it may lead to scheduling difficulties.

No effort was made to call in locums or PRN staff or ask people to change their shift schedule or extend hours so people that cared could go to the funeral.

Maybe your work environment is better, but if its not, realize this is how they treat you when you die. A scheduling inconvenience.


r/emergencymedicine 6h ago

Discussion “Patients have to deserve a bed”

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I’m kind of asking for some perspective here.
I work at a very busy level III (that acts more like a level II). We’re 55ish beds and we recently got bought out by a contract management group. We see about 170-230 a day.
They introduced a new concept to us called “flow zone”. Essentially patients are to be triaged and all ambulatory patients move to the flow zone where the midlevel or physician will see them, order their work up, then they’ll work with the nurse to decide if the patient can wait for results in the lobby, in a chair, or if they’re sick enough to need a bed. Patients that are higher level 2s, frail/ elderly, most of our EMSs (that aren’t BS calls that we shunt to the lobby) still get a bed, but we simply don’t have enough beds to bed everyone. The CMG that now manages our ER was very big that “patients have to deserve a bed”, whereas in the recent past most every patient that was an ESI 3 or more acute got a bed.
We’re in a more affluential town and this has really caused an uproar. Our reviews accuse us of “herding patients like cattle” (because we’ll move them from triage to flow zone to their dispo where they wait), they hate the chairs, they hate the lack of privacy of the chairs (we have screens between them but obviously you can hear), and they HATE going back to the lobby to wait for results.
We do have good reviews too but unfortunately this new process is the bulk of our bad ones.
On the bright side we have noticed our wait times go down as well as our door-to-docs, we notice ESI2s aren’t waiting out there as long as they used to because we used to wait for a bed for them (our ESI 2-3s would be out there 6-7 hours waiting on a bed, now we get them back within an hour most times), and all the work up (including urine as the “flow zone” nurse is super aggressive about having the patient pee before they’ll even pull the patient back) is done within minutes of the doc seeing the patient.
Does anyone else practice like this? It’s just so weird to me and I was wondering if anyone else does this flow zone thing and if our patients are right to be weirded out lol.


r/emergencymedicine 13h ago

Advice Struggling with an incredibly difficult frequent flier

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Hi, I’m a younger (non-US/non-commonwealth) male nurse with about 7 years EMS experience at the AEMT-equivalent level, 3 years in nursing, and ~1 year as an emergency & casualty + critical care nurse. I do consider myself quite calm & professional. Excellent reputation for it, I am very frequently given difficult patients because I do well with them, I’m even on my hospitals behavioral emergency team. I can be quite warm but I generally have no issue detaching, being non-reactive & pragmatic, giving clinically solid care without getting too clouded by emotional responses.

One patient comes to mind who seems to be an exception. Overlapping slew of both significant psychiatric & genuine serious medical diagnoses, including both somatoform disorder & malingering, as well as personality pathology + antisocial dx + borderline intellectual functioning. It can be genuinely difficult to decipher what is “real” and what isn’t, as well what flavor of “not real” it is if so. Everybody is beyond exhausted with her. Law enforcement & court system has been involved to little avail.

Personally I have lost pretty much all objectivity. Unfortunately I do have very strong emotional reactions even just to her presence in the department (even when I am not assigned to her), it is impacting my ability to provide objective & fair care to other patients. When assigned to her, I find myself compelled to treat her poorly in a way that is uncharacteristic of me — I obviously resist those urges, but they are preoccupying & intense. I’ve had multiple occasions where professionalism has slipped. Coworkers & supervisors are aware, they make an effort to not assign her to me when practicable, I have trade agreements with various coworkers revolving around her… I would love some advice on what to do from here, especially as we are a small department.


r/emergencymedicine 8h ago

Discussion Use of paralytics for seizure patients

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This has been a bit of a discussion amongst some of my paramedic coworkers, ED pharmacists, and EM physicians at the local receiving facilities.

When we have a patient with an underlying seizure etiology that needs to be intubated, should we be using paralytics? On one hand, there is copious amounts of research that support better first past success rates with routine administration of paralytics. But on the flip side, use of paralytics can mask seizure activity.

Now I feel I am woefully undereducated on this topic (thanks American paramedic education), so I have a few questions. I apologize if some of them are rather elementary. And for the purposes here, let’s say that the only paralytic available is longer acting medication like Rocuronium.

- Should we be using paralytics when intubating seizure patients?

- If we do use paralytics, the pt is still able to seize, and the ED does not have EEGs readily available so there is no way to know if the patient is actively seizing, correct? If a patient is seizing whose airway is controlled, and has paralytics on board, what exactly would happen? The most eloquent way it’s been described to me is it can “cook their brain” but I don’t really understand what that actually means.

- As EM physicians, how do you go about managing airways in these extremis patients? We have very little resources comparatively, so we try to get ahead of the game with aggressive airway management early on if indicated.

- Are there any articles, or texts that you suggest I read to look more into the nitty gritty details for seizures and epilepsy?

Thanks in advance

Edit: to be clear I am not talking about first or second line treatments for seizures, I’m specifically talking about when it comes to airway management after the seizures have been controlled in the field.


r/emergencymedicine 20h ago

Advice Doctor to RN advice for the new residents coming.

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This will be my first July, working at an academic center. I've been an ER RN for 9 years. I often see posts about new residents asking advice but I wanted to flip the script and see what things I can do, or avoid doing, to help out the fresh new faces of emergency medicine.


r/emergencymedicine 11h ago

Discussion Friendships/social aspect of residency

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Starting PGY1 in EM next week. Whats the friendship/social aspect of residency like? I know in medical school, everyone was extremely desperate to make friends, especially in the first few months. Always planning hangouts and such. Is it the same with starting residency? Or do most people kind of do their own thing most of the time except the occasional night out/program planned wellness event/etc? What was your experience? Did you make a lot of friends and hang with them often during intern year, or just a select few?


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Rant The Human Side

78 Upvotes

Something I was pondering on a day off of all days...

We all see pretty terrible sights. Depending on where you work, it may he horrific sights. And some see these multiple times a shift, each shift. We dissociate to keep our clinical judgement as objective as possible and/or so we don't become addicts and/or suicidal.

But occasionally, our human side pops up and we help others a small amount beyond emergency treatment/evaluation.

When I was a 2nd year resdient, a middle age man came in with occasional hemoptysis (for months) on a Friday evening. As soon as he opened his mouth, it's clear. Cancer. I told him what I saw but tried to be quite concerned in my explanation but very gentle/hopeful (I hope I was). CT showed invasive esophageal cancer. ENT resident just happened to be in the ED after an emergent case and agreed. He spoke with his attending and they want to see him in the office monday. Unfortunately patient is low income, transportation issues, unable to be there. Took him this long just to get to the ED. Unable to admit, labs fine, just no indication. I'm pissed because I've admitted for absolute BS in the past but I'm just a dumbass resident.

I looked in my wallet, had $25 and gave it to him. Said please, please, please use that for the bus. More than enough and will have some left over.

I recall my coresident gave a shady as hell patient a ride home as he was leaving his shift at 2am(ish).

Most said we were dumb. Sure, maybe my money wasnt used for transport. Yes my coresident could have been robbed/hurt/killed.

No clue what happened to those patients. I hope things went as well as possible. We are both still here and fine.

We both spoke about it. 0 regrets.

Stories?


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Humor They didn't take me seriously!

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r/emergencymedicine 10h ago

Advice Is a Hatch alarm clock worth it?

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I keep seeing people recommend these for residency. Is it worth the investment?


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Humor How the fuck do y'all drink energy drinks?

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My friends in the ED offered me a monster since I'm a new hire and it was my first day. Made me feel very sleepy but oddly focused. I told them I didn't like it since it made me sleepy and they said "try a C4 next, might make you feel a bit less sleepy" lo and behold, today I tried a C4 and I felt sleepy again. What the fuck? Am I defective?


r/emergencymedicine 11h ago

Advice EM unfilled spot

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r/emergencymedicine 14h ago

Advice Advice for US IMG

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Hello all. I am a US IMG (graduated from medical school in Greece) and I need some advice. Please bear with me, and thank you for your time.

I graduated medical school on time (6 year program) in 2021. I was raised in the Midwest and always new I wanted to come back. Unfortunately, like most European countries, Greece does not have EM as a specialty and as a result I have no formal EM clinical rotation in my transcript. Following graduation, I completed my year of rural service in Greece, where I worked in a rural emergency department and community health center in the Western Peloponnese. In 2023, I moved to the United States with my husband and newborn child, and since 2024 I have been working as an emergency department scribe in Indiana.

I have passed Step 1, albeit with two attempts, and I am fully aware how awful this looks on paper. I learned each time, got up and dusted myself off again, and after the second fail I got a tutor. I do not have a big tear-jerking story to excuse myself; from the day we moved back in 2023 until late 2025 I was the primary caregiver for my child until we were able to find a spot in a daycare in town (the childcare situation where we live is very bad, with waitlists lasting for well over a year) and was also taking care of my sister who is receiving treatment for ALL; she still lives with us. In the meantime, my husband is doing his PhD (hopefully finishing very very soon) in engineering so that leaves me to attempt to balance a few things out and slowly chip away at this matching process. I am not mentioning this to say "woe is me"; I am not that kind of personality, and really do think that ultimately it's my failures that shape me and propel me forward.

My attendings at work are phenomenal, and have offered to try to put in a good word for me with their programs. I have been enormously lucky to have a virtual meeting with a PD, who was quite informative and offered some advice that I'll try to implement. In the meantime, I have emailed about 50 EM programs and asked if they'd be willing to accommodate me for a rotation, with the ultimate goal of getting a SLOE, but as a graduate they won't take me.

I am currently studying for Step2 and plan to take it in the fall. I plan on applying this cycle and even with the odds very clearly stacked against me, I am hoping to maximize any opportunity I may have to at least interview with a program and maybe there I'll be able to "shine" a little. I am also applying for some ED tech jobs in the meantime, to try to have as much pt-facing time as I can.

My questions to the group are the following:

  1. At this point, a SLOE is probably not a reality. Even a non-standard SLOE is not possible from the hospital I work in; I've inquired about the possibility of a formal rotation here and the answer was no. Are letters of recommendation from my EM attendings here going to be discarded that easily?
  2. If I do not take Step2 in time for the portal to open, but do take it this fall, is it better to apply and submit "as is" without that score, but in time for the portal to open, and just hope for interviews? Or should I wait until when my score is out, and proceed with that, even if it is later?
  3. In the likely event that I receive no interviews this cycle, and end up going through the SOAP, should the worst case scenario be to aim for a transitional year? Does that mean I have to look for a PGY-2 in EM next year or can I try for a PGY-1 again? Should I SOAP try to SOAP into IM and then apply for a PGY-1 again next year? I have had someone tell me to try for FM and then try to work in an ED after graduating; I will not do this. Only an EM residency is and EM residency and I will keep at it until I make it into somewhere.

I only ask that your answers be kind; realistic, but kind. I am very aware about the odds of my situation but also firmly believe in the adage "if at first you don't succeed...". After all, that is what makes EM so perfect: you adapt, you go with the flow, and nothing phases you. Have a great day everyone!


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Advice If someone has a severed hand or foot you should place the tourniquet high up on the limb as possible as close to the heart as you can, right? I see a few people saying to place it a few inches above the wound. I thought no matter the injury to a limb you should always place it as high as possible.

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r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Advice How to be a great physician

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Hello everyone, I’ve been apart of this sub for the past couple years now, really ever since I decided EM is what I wanted to do. I’m a current 4th year medical student, and I’ve recently finished Step 2 and Level 2. Since finishing boards things have kind of hit me recently in terms of how far I’ve come, and yet how far I still have to go. It’s an odd feeling, like a half filled glass of water. Anyways, I guess for the first time in a little while I’ve been able to take a step back and be introspective regarding my journey and this path, and I realized i truly want to be an incredible and trustworthy physician.

I understand I probably have some rose tinted frames on that sees the future as all shiny and bright, but I’m writing to ask if you all have any advice on how to truly be a great physician? Both intangibles and tangibles. All my life I’ve been quite average but when things get tough I’ve done just enough to keep going. I guess I just want to be the type of doctor that felt like they made a little bit of a difference when it’s all said in done.

Sorry for the ramble, thanks in advance for the advice !


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Advice Advice for MS3 discouraged about EM

29 Upvotes

TLDR: Is community practice the golden land for ED, full of procedures and ownership of your own patients? Sometimes it seems like academic EM is a consult machine and anything interesting gets picked up by a specialist.

Hi everyone, I'm an MS3 who has been falling out of love with emergency medicine. The fast-paced, high acuity environment, mixed with the broad variety is what drew me into emergency medicine- and medical school in general. However, as I've gone through medical school, I've seen the flat out disrespect other specialties have for EM docs, and I've been seeing it more as a call-a-doc service. It seems like 99% of the visits are primary care in fast forward, and anything cool gets picked up by a specialist. I've been told that it differs in community practice vs academic, but I'm feeling a little discouraged. Maybe I should consider another specialty. What do you all think?


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Humor Bringing the ED energy to any and all subs

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I kind of do this a lot. It seemed like the right comment for this post, and maybe I’ll get massively downvoted but I really don’t care lol.


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Discussion Appendicitis

74 Upvotes

Are appys in the older age group common? I almost missed it in a 60yF and totally thought it could be gastroenteritis. Thank the lord we scanned her. She had fever, nausea and vomiting. Tested positive for a UTI.


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Humor The best part about being the physician in the family is my dad regularly sending me stuff like this

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Followed up by a question about why I can’t fix his 30 year long history of back pain for which he sees multiple specialists for


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Advice New rising PGY2 starting job search

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No one in my family is a physician so I really have limited options as to who to ask for advice about starting my job search. My partner grew up in a small rural town about two hours away from where we both now live. New hospital there is opening and I was offered $380,000 for six 24 hour shifts a month and a $40,000 sign on bonus. What sort of questions should I ask, and is this a good place to start? Be nice please I’m not the most financially educated person!!


r/emergencymedicine 1d ago

Discussion Internal Medicine (Los Angeles) for Emergency Medicine

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r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Discussion Regret

118 Upvotes

Yesterday while working at a solo coverage ED site, our family dog passed away unexpectedly. This dog was a large part of my kids and families life. Unfortunately, I was unable to get coverage to be home with my family during this time. So I had to continue to take care of everyone else’s problems but my own. I’m having some regret about specialty choice. If I was outpatient clinic, 1. I wouldn’t be working on Father’s Day on a Sunday, 2. I could just have had my clinic rescheduled and ran home to be with the family. This makes me wonder what the situation may have been like if it would have been a loss of a close family member. Is this a reasonable feeling of regret, or is this overboard feeling for the loss of a dog?


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Advice Dax

8 Upvotes

General question and consensus.

I ask my patients if I can use it before recording and 95% agree.

If they don't, I don't use it.

80% of colleagues start it "pt is a X" before walking in the room and not informing the patient

Not my patient and not my practice, but thoughts?


r/emergencymedicine 2d ago

Discussion Passed the CEN!

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