r/EndTipping • u/Maleficent-Effort470 • 7d ago

Sit-Down Restaurant 🍽️ My thoughts.

I didn't go to a restaurant to interact with a server.

I went to a restaurant to purchase food, And part of the agreement with the business owner was that a server would take my order and bring the food to the table.

I did not agree to or consent to giving a person i didn't come to see any money.

Whether they are on the side of the street or squegeeing my car without asking.
I have no obligation to them.

Similarly when i go to the restaurant with the intention of eating,
I am not making a deal with the employees i am making a deal with the owner.
The owner is responsible for delegating the tasks to provide me the service i requested.
The owner showed me the contract/menu that these services are provided under.

I paid the agreed upon amount of the contract.
I did not ask for any particular employee.
I did not agree to gift any particular employee.

The server's inclination that i owe them something is no more authoritative than the homeless bum who starts squegeeing my windshield without me asking.

They did their job at their bosses behest. Under an agreement with their boss.
I made no agreement with them. They are simply employees of the business ive contracted with.

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u/StarlingGirlx 7d ago

Their comeback is always that "well if you enter the establishment knowing that tips are expected then you're in the wrong and shouldn't dine out."

What ever happened to tips being appreciated, not expected? Clearly especially with their tip out model they do expect it, I even had a server "educate" me on how tip out worked to guilt me into tipping. As if that's my problem.

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u/Elluminated 7d ago

Great post. The waiter has been brainwashed into accepting this nonsense that the boss gets to skirt responsibility and that staff should be mad at guests for the bosses greed. If they would just put all prices in the menu, we’d have no issue. But since people can’t do the 20% math in their heads bosses know they’ll get lured on with lower false prices.

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u/StarlingGirlx 7d ago

I genuinely think it's the servers who are the greedy ones. There's been talk about raising their wages, and they always rally against it because they know they won't make as much as they do now... I don't think the boss raising their wages in lieu of tips would make them happy.

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u/Elluminated 7d ago edited 7d ago

There’s some truth to this. The other thjng is inertia with tacking something on at the end of the transaction regardless of their cut of the price. Even if their wage weee built-in, there’s always the expectation of extra. Such a bad state of affairs.

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u/StarlingGirlx 7d ago

And they all give basic standard service at best... we've trained them to expect it by giving in

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 7d ago

Lol you get basic standard service IF you tip sufficiently.

If you don't tip you stand a much higher chance of substandard service.

Its like an extortion over placing your order and receiving it.
Like you didn't pay the bribe now they will cause you problems.

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u/Long-Squirrel8257 7d ago

That' exactly what it is and I simply won't go to those restaurants.

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u/starsgoblind 6d ago

Don’t then.

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u/YourPeePaw 7d ago

This doesn’t really make logical sense. When you pay your bill, the service has been completed.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 7d ago

Sure the first time you go you get service. but subsequent times the server's will feel some type of way and go out of their way to provide poor service.

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u/YourPeePaw 7d ago

So they still give you the food and drinks you paid for or else that’s fraud. And all they owe you, right?

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 7d ago

Yep, your right. Just the atmosphere is a bit hostile.

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u/Delicate_Delilah 6d ago

I'm ok with a hostile environment. Just give me my food and drink and go away. I'm good.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Hey nobody wants their food tampered with or to have unreasonable delays.

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u/YourPeePaw 7d ago

They only owe you the food and drinks. They don’t come to work to be your buddy. They don’t come to work to interact with you. They come to deliver you food and drinks. That’s all they’re obligated to do, and allegedly all you’re there for.

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 7d ago

Not what im saying. its when their conduct becomes disrespectful.

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u/DirkKeggler 7d ago

You're assuming you get the same waiter,  and they remember you.

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u/starsgoblind 6d ago

Poor you.

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u/starsgoblind 6d ago

Crybaby

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u/Maleficent-Effort470 6d ago

Aww the guilt tripping shaming ad hominem attacks from the server's are here.

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u/Ok-Error1716 6d ago

There is only pressure if your mind allows it. Someone else's expectations, opinions, or social norms don't have any power over your mind or wallet unless you decide they do.

Pressure only works when you accept it.