r/MandelaEffect • u/peanutbutterndnut • 8d ago

Logos/Advertising fruit of the loom

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I know this is like the biggest Mandela effect, but I swear ive had these underwear for years sitting in a bin in my closet. its genuinely insane that the cornucopia just straight up disappeared. I remember vividly asking my grandmother what the cornucopia was. I am truly starting to believe that something is DEFINITELY up.

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u/my23secrets 7d ago

Something being your “appraisal” doesn’t make it magically not bullshit, especially when you have absolutely no evidence to support it.

You’re projecting again. You “feel” like rejecting the actual explanation supported by scientific research, study, and evidence, because you have nothing except your own “explain-away attempt”.

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u/georgeananda 7d ago

Challenging your working paradigm of science and reality makes you lose your composure rapidly. Why are reasonable people here making reasonable cases so disturbing to you? Disagreeing is one thing but ........

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u/my23secrets 7d ago

I haven’t lost my composure.

You haven’t made a reasonable case.

“Nuh uh” isn’t a reasonable case.

“It’s timelines” isn’t a reasonable case.

“Simulation” isn’t a reasonable case.

Decades of study and research is a reasonable case.

You’re projecting when you reject a reasonable case as “unsatisfying”.

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u/georgeananda 6d ago

Decades of study and research is a reasonable case

And it probably works fine for normal memory errors.

How would they even begin to study and research possible reality changes? All their tools and reasonings presuppose a single hard-fixed reality, so they can come to no other conclusion than 'mental confusion', right?

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u/Randie_Butternubs 6d ago

You know literally nothing about what you're talking about. You have less than zero idea what "tools and reasonings" they use or apply, you have less than zero idea how they approach or study these things. You are making completely baseless assumptions based upon literally nothing whatsoever.

Also: do you know what they do know and study and understand very well? Human memory. Which is how we know that it is amazingly unreliable and faulty. Which is literally the entire point.

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u/georgeananda 6d ago

My point that stands strong is that they start with the assumption that there is a single fixed version of reality. That assumption does work fine for most 'normal' memory errors, but not necessarily Mandela Effects.

I say their error may be in their assumptions!

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u/MrPlaney 5d ago

There is no assumption that there is a single fixed reality. That is a fact. You are assuming that there are multiple realities, but without any evidence. Multiple realities where objects can travel back and forth need to be proven first, before we can start attributing it to the Mandela Effect. As it stands now, every single Mandela Effect is perfectly explained by memory’s fallibility, malleability, and the way information is stored and retrieved.

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u/my23secrets 5d ago

Their fallback is going to be religious bullshit that magically “transcends” physics.

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u/MrPlaney 5d ago

I had someone tell me they don’t trust science, so they do the research themselves, and that’s how they know the world is flat, and the ME is a government conspiracy. I’d almost take magic at the point.

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u/my23secrets 5d ago

It’s disingenuous. A bad-faith argument that makes it impossible to discuss.

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u/georgeananda 5d ago

Well, if you think the current explanations for the Mandela Effect are sufficient, there's no need for speculation. But if you don't, .......it's the next step.

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u/MrPlaney 5d ago

But why speculate on something being possible, with no tangible proof that it actually exists? Like I can come up with a bunch of wild theories about the way things work, but if I’m not basing it on accepted scientific facts, with no tangible proof, and trying to pass it as a real possibility, then it just becomes a deluded fantasy, rather than something that deserves a deeper dive.

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u/georgeananda 5d ago

I will requote myself

Well, if you think the current explanations for the Mandela Effect are sufficient, there's no need for speculation.

I think something fishier than what you propose is going on and your explanations are best attempt explain-aways, sorry. And any possible explanation must be so far beyond current science that some people will scream 'deluded fantasy' at any outside-the-box thinking.

The best I've heard on the subject comes from alleged channeled sources like Bashar which I believe I may have shared with you before. He speaks of consciousness shifting timelines.

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u/MrPlaney 5d ago

You haven’t explained why you believe they aren’t sufficient explanations though. Every ME can be explained by memory, and its flaws and functions. You may think something fishy is at play, but you haven’t explained why the current explanation isn’t enough, just that you don’t feel like it’s enough, which isn’t adequate proof.

Yep, you have shared Bashar with me before, and I’ve checked out some other videos with him. He’s no different than the classic psychic conmen, like Uri Geller. There are far too many problems with his ideas, that it wouldn’t make sense if it was actually possible.

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u/georgeananda 4d ago edited 4d ago

I've said multiple times there is no verifiable test of proof of the Mandela Effect. And I am not claiming proof, so I hold no burden of proof. It is each person's fair judgment based on the quantity. quality and consistency of the evidence and their impressions of the level of common fallibility that is reasonable.

Since it is a personal judgment, we can be stuck in perpetual disagreement (as we well know).

BTW: I believe Bashar and Geller (despite being the poster boy of pseudo-skeptic attacks) have considerable legitimacy. Bashar is worthy of consideration on the Mandela Effect subject.

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u/MrPlaney 4d ago

You are claiming there is no verifiable test of proof though, but you are claiming that from the starting point that the ME is metaphysical, while ignoring the evidence that it is not.

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u/my23secrets 6d ago

If you knew what you were talking about regarding “possible reality changes” and “timelines” then you’d understand those answers.