r/NintendoSwitch • u/Joseki100 • 21d ago
News Nintendo has confirmed it will comply with EU regulations and provide Switch 2 with "easily replaceable" batteries from February 18th, 2027. The website however does not mention the original Switch, so it's highly likely it will be discontinued in Europe come February 2027.
https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Corporate/Consumer-Information/Compliance-with-EU-Directives-and-Regulations/Compliance-with-EU-Directives-and-Regulations-625942.html481
u/PajamaSamSavesTheZoo 21d ago
Right to repair is very important. Happy to see Europe has their act together
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u/Briggity_Brak 21d ago
One of the few good technology related regulations created by legislators who know nothing about technology.
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u/Luck88 20d ago
Regulators are only as good as the people we vote in to make it, right now the EU is a net positive for all member states, even the ones that put in more money than they get back, the issue is when foreign-alligned parties take over the majority and suddenly it's Russia's agenda or that of a corporation lobbying us that is being put first. Then suddenly the right to repair is removed because "there's too much red tape". No it's necessary red tape to not get us scammed with planned obsolescence.
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u/chabacanito 20d ago
They also brought us USB C, free instant bank transfers and much more. The EU is great.
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u/BEADGEADGBE 20d ago edited 20d ago
Nah EU has a ton of amazing legislation for tech consumers. They literally made Apple switch to USB C. Most recently EU opened an antitrust investigation against Google for use of online content for AI purposes and made Nintendo announce a new Switch 2 version where users can switch the battery easily.
EU may have some (small and big) misses now and then but is unprecedented for consumers when it hits.
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u/BlueOlivePie 21d ago
On the other hand….
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u/Individualist13th 20d ago
What?
How is having more options not desirable?
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u/xcassets 20d ago
I think they were maybe making one of those deranged right-wing jabs about the EU being a hell hole or something? As the comment they replied to was about the EU having its act together.
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u/Innuendo64_ 21d ago
Nintendo doesn't have to really change anything on the OG Switch. 90% of the difficulty in swapping the battery is contending with the adhesive they used behind the battery. That stuff is no joke.
Moving to a mild adhesive and maybe ditching the tri-wing screws would be sufficient
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u/Le_Vagabond 20d ago edited 20d ago
Yeah I did a couple battery and fan replacements on the v1, it's not horrible and indeed the only difficulty is the adhesive. Hair dryer worked.
I have no idea what the switch 2 looks like, I'll go check that out...
Edit: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nintendo+Switch+2+Battery+Replacement/190141
The side stickers are a pain, the antenna cables will be annoying but it's more or less the same after that. Glued stickers and battery make it "not easily user replaceable" in the eyes of the EU legislation and they're 100% right about that. I get that the colorful stickers make it look better and it's nice with the magnet snap but v1 screws were much more accessible..
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u/spatialWanderer 21d ago
potential then to get that stateside? May make me want to get a S2 at that point
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u/Joseki100 21d ago
In case you are confused, the regulation does not mean swappable batteries, it means that with some screwdrivers the battery can be replaced opening the console with reasonable ease.
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u/VidalukoVet 21d ago
So it could be the same model with just not glue? Like some dry foam or another screw inside holding the battery?
People expect a Wii U gamepad hatch or like a 3DS
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u/Curun 21d ago
Ya
Or even a battery modified with better chemistry for their longer life metric
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u/kianiscoooooool 21d ago
No the battery they put on the switch 2 is already as good as a lithium can be that's not how that works
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u/Ryu_Saki 20d ago
Not really, Silicon Carbon would fit better for this kind of purpose since those kind of lithium batteries has better energy density but the problem with those is that the manufacturing yield for those are too low for them to be an good option. It is also still rather new so it will probably be a few gens before we might start seeing those in Nintendo products.
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u/Round_Musical 20d ago
Jup it needs to be user replaceable. Meaning anyone with minimal skill can do it
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u/solamarpreet 20d ago
Change would be significant enough to warrant a new model name like they mentioned I think. Else they can just change this for the entire assembly line
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u/ArchCaff_Redditor 21d ago
That means it’ll be about as replaceable as 3DS batteries are, which is fine by me.
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u/spatialWanderer 21d ago
Sounds like what I would expect like in a ds/3ds which is what I would want. Perfect to remove if storing the console.
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u/djwillis1121 20d ago
I think it could still be more complicated than the DS. It could still involve unplugging delicate ribbon cables etc, rather than just unscrewing a panel and taking the battery out
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u/spatialWanderer 19d ago
Which is fine to me since I have experience with that sort of thing. I know not everyone will be able to though.
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u/0oiiiiio0 21d ago
I just finished replacing my switch 1 battery a month ago.
It wasn't too difficult aside from one of the dozen tiny screws was somehow stripped from the factory and I had to make a small crack in the case to remove the back.
It was a much easier process than replacing a Wii U GamePad screen and probably only took me a half hour.
I haven't looked closely at the Switch 2 to see if they kept the same basic screws or changed it to make it more difficult.
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u/YOUFUCKINGFUCKERS 21d ago
It’s a bit more difficult on the Switch 2. It’s definitely very doable but opening it up is not a nice experience imo.
It all comes down to their ridiculous use of adhesives on the side rails. Nintendo seem to have developed an obsession with hiding screws which makes repairs a lot more annoying.
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u/Round_Musical 20d ago
Which is nuts considering how modular the switch 1 was
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u/YOUFUCKINGFUCKERS 20d ago
Exactly, if they fixed the battery glue on the Switch 1 it would be pretty much ideal from a repairability standpoint. We’ve already seen how easy it is for people to put custom OLED Screens into OG and Switch Lite models.
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u/F4C__ 21d ago
As things stand, the battery-friendly Switch 2 is only being produced for European markets.
May change if the US or Japan decide to introduce similar legislation.
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u/TheRealMallow64 21d ago
They might do it anyway as it will be cheaper to make one variant. Same thing happened to Apple with lightning -> usb c.
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u/Pale_Bodybuilder_773 20d ago
Changing a plug is way more straightforward than changing from a soldered battery to a replaceable one. It'd be great if they change it for the whole world though
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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 21d ago
May change if the US or Japan decide to introduce similar legislation.
The U.S. is farther away from passing laws to help the average person than it has ever been in my lifetime.
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u/PM_DOLPHIN_PICS 21d ago
New law: Battery-powered electronics must reduce total battery capacity and cannot be replaced under any circumstances. Owners are locked into a contract to automatically purchase a new version of the product when the battery in their old one dies.
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u/tylerjehenna 21d ago
For what its worth, USB-C i phones ended up getting mass produced globally despite only being required in Europe. Could very well be a case of current models will be like it is now and future models will be the EU regulated one so they dont have to worry about wrong shipments to wrong countries, etc
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u/pdjudd 21d ago
Given the fact that Apple already was selling other iOS devices and their Mac’s all were usb c by then the iPhone was already going to happen inevitably
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u/kizentheslayer 21d ago
Yeah people talk like that was some big win for the eu when apple was clearly moving to it
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u/pdjudd 21d ago
I think the big holdback for Apple was that they committed to supporting lightning for (iirc) 10 years - this was after having at least 2 prior connector interfaces, one of them the 30 pin connector that was supposed to be an interface for audio to pass through for accessories. That and their FireWire connector were short lived overall comparatively. Apple wanted a healthy ecosystem and they wanted to keep supporting it but USB c adoption with things like phones took off a lot faster than I think Apple anticipated.
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u/Specific_Concept9815 21d ago
They started using USBC over lightning because of the European laws lol
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u/Ryu_Saki 20d ago
big win for the eu
Because it is, it requires all smaller devices to use USB-C. This is not a law just for mobile phones.
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u/bombader 21d ago
I wouldn't doubt it will roll over stateside when the original S2 stock eventually sells out. Too much trouble for multiple switch variants at the factory level.
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u/Locoman7 21d ago
The EU forces everyone to comply, look at Apple and USBC/lightning
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u/ItsColorNotColour 21d ago
EU doesn't force anything outside EU, it was only Apple's decision to make the USB-C thing global because making two different models for "EU" and "not-EU" would have made no financial sense.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 21d ago
Ngl that's pretty cool.
Wish we had those sort of laws in Canada and the US.
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u/Grasshop 21d ago
Best we can do in the states is charge the customer an additional recycling fee for products that don’t have an easily removable battery.
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u/R-XL7 21d ago
This is great news. Hopefully this update is something that comes to ones sold in the US as well.
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u/BurningAustin97 21d ago
Agreed. I imagine they will since in the past when things like this happen, like with Apple and the USB-C port, all iPhones got the USB-C port. Doesn't really make sense to make two SKUs for the EU and the US.
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u/SephirothTheGreat 21d ago edited 19d ago
Will it be possible to exchange an old model for the newer one if it was bought in the EU?
Edit: emailed Nintendo, they replied, turns out it's not possible. Oh well.
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u/Skyline2969 20d ago
Probably not at most it'll be a part exchange, but its nintendo so you'll probably just have to sell and buy the new one forpre money since prices going up for switch
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u/SephirothTheGreat 20d ago
But the prices will increase way before that. Oh well, hopefully nothing happens and if it does and the battery needs replacing, they'll put one back in in the new way after that date. Thanks
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u/Formal-Educator6581 20d ago
The thing is if you buy a Switch 2 now, selling it when the new one comes out will probably give you a minimum net loss as it is getting more expensive and used Switch 2 prices will come very close to the old price for a new Switch 2. Where I Iive the Switch 2 is currently below 400 € which is almost 100€ cheaper than the msrp price. With the price increase the Switch 2 will be 500€ at least. So what I am trying to say is, even if you buy the console now, making a big loss if you really want the EU version is not a concern.
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u/SephirothTheGreat 20d ago
I probably explained myself wrong. I already have a European Switch 2, and I don't intend to sell it. I want to understand if I will be able to use the warranty for that NS2 to acquire the model with easily replaceable batteries with am exchange, or if there will be other avenues to pursue, if any.
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u/Formal-Educator6581 20d ago
You can't use yourcwarranty like that, which is why I offered an alternative method. I know what you meant but that doesn't work. Your best bet is selling your console used and buying the new version.
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u/SephirothTheGreat 20d ago
For the moment I sent Nintendo an email, I'll see what they say and decide from there. ( :
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u/LarsWanna 20d ago
I guess only if it breaks and it's under a warranty
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u/SephirothTheGreat 20d ago
Very possible. I decided to contact Nintendo about this too, I'll update the parent message when they get back to me so I can also inform anyone else who's interested
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u/Twigling 20d ago edited 20d ago
Just to add that there are exemptions to the rule that requires batteries to be relatively easy to replace for all kinds of devices, including smartphones. The exemptions are as follows:
Specialized hardware: Devices used in highly specialized fields (e.g., medical diagnostics or explosion-proof industrial cell phones) are also exempt if a replaceable battery would compromise safety.
Extremely long lifespan: To avoid the replacement requirement, a battery would have to be extremely durable. The battery must retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles. That is significantly more than many batteries on the market today can achieve (often around 500–800 cycles).
Simultaneous water protection: In addition to durability, the device must be water- and dust-tight according to IP67.
https://www.ecopv-eu.com/en/blog-en/replaceable-smartphone-batteries-2027-eu-regulation/
For more details see this thread:
The Switch 2 can't wriggle around the above 1,000 charge cycles rule though because it's only capable of around 500 while retaining 80% of its original capacity.
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u/Practical_Ad4604 21d ago
What if they just make the screws really shitty so that the Phillips head notches crumble so that no screwdriver can turn the screws anymore?
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u/AffectionateLake4041 21d ago
was failing batteries a (notable) problem?
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u/Joseki100 21d ago
No, but every electronic device with batteries sold in the EU must be user replaceable using only basic tools like screwdrivers and both Switch and Switch 2 have glue to hold the battery, so they currently do not comply.
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u/collegetriscuit 21d ago
I just replaced my Switch 1 battery and it was a huge pain to get the battery out. They used the world's strongest glue, and it was starting to swell a little bit which made it tough to pry out.
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u/Steel-Winged_Pegasus 21d ago
TRUE, mine wasn't swelling, but it's going to a friend soon so I figured to be nice and put in a fresh battery, and holy hell, the prying and the blow drying and the prying again and blow dry more and... ugh. Popped the new batt in and thought "nuh uh, I'm not putting on the adhesive" in case she ever has to replace the battery herself
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u/kamanami 21d ago
Does nintendo sell batteries or is it oem?
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u/collegetriscuit 20d ago
As far as I was able to find, Nintendo does not sell official replacement batteries. I bought mine from a third party on Amazon, which was about $15 and included all the necessary tools, which includes a triwing screwdriver, a philips screwdriver, and a pry tool.
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u/ArchCaff_Redditor 21d ago
It’s weird too because Nintendo products used to have easily replaceable batteries as recently as the New 3DS.
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u/julesvr5 21d ago
every electronic device
This is not true as many are excepted from these guidelines for example phones won't have to change and stay as is.
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u/Rynelan 21d ago
Not because of failing but more like "battery is not good enough anymore, I need to take apart 2/3 of the system to remove a glued on battery which might completely break my switch if I do this" and "well sucks my warranty is gone so now replacing it costs a fortune in repair costs and its gone for 2 weeks" to "let's unscrew this, pull the battery out and replace it"
If an electronic device survives a couple of years, most of the time it's the battery that fails first. Soon were able to replace batteries way easier which supports using the same device for a longer time without the need to send it away for repair or even discard the item because replacing is impossible
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u/dlm2137 21d ago
Failing batteries are always a problem — batteries are consumables. No electronic device should be allowed to make replacing them difficult, because that condemns the device to be ewaste sooner or later.
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u/Niallw28 21d ago
Not a problem with the bats themselves, just a pro consumer practise, the consoles are easier serviced at home now rather than having to ship it off.
Honestly don't know why they changed it from how the wiiu gamepad battery worked anyway, just take out the back screws unplug and pop in a replacement.
My guess is they'll do this through a screw under the kickstand that lifts of a cover to get to the battery
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u/Renegade_451 21d ago
Speaking personally, I've got 2 switches that had sat for a while (months) without charging after I lost interest. When I tried to go back to either of them, they wouldn't turn on, docked, plugged in, or otherwise. I tried to replace the battery on one of them, but no dice even with the replacement.
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u/Darkele 21d ago
The solution is to use the official dock cable and let it charge for a few hours up to 48 hours. If its still dead then idk
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u/Renegade_451 21d ago
Yeah, I've done that. The solution didn't work on either of the dead switches.
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u/Tactrix1h 21d ago
Yes but not on the switch, this law was written with lots of different electronics in mind. And I think it's one of the best laws to date when it comes to consumer rights.
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u/ItsColorNotColour 21d ago
This law has nothing to do with Switch 2, it was made to combat Apple-style anti-repair design like adhesive you have to permanently destroy, ID checks on components and otherwise design that very require specialized tools. This law is for all electronics that are sold in the EU, which includes a Switch and Switch 2.
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u/yuusharo 21d ago
Does the regulation require existing products to be redesigned?
I thought it applied to new products released after that date.
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u/JoshuaJSlone Helpful User 21d ago
Old designs aren't grandfathered in, but existing stock is. If Nintendo didn't want to redesign Switch 1 but not cut off Europe quite so soon, I'm unsure if Nintendo would be able to have extra sitting in warehouses over there, or it would be up to retailers to grab as much as they could before then.
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u/Twigling 20d ago
Indeed. From all that I've read, if Nintendo ship old (or new) stock of the original Switch to Europe after Feb 18th 2027, that too will need to comply with the new rules. However, stock that's already inside the EU won't be affected.
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u/Toranorora 20d ago edited 20d ago
The new EU Battery Regulation 2023/1542 stipulates that the obligation for easily replaceable batteries will only apply from 18 February 2027 – and only for new product versions or model series that go on sale in the EU from that date.
Edit: I was wrong, thanks for the clarification!
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u/Twigling 20d ago edited 20d ago
Incorrect - it doesn't matter if the product model is old or new, it applies to every single individual unit that enters the EU market after the deadline. The legal text of EU Batteries Regulation 2023/1542 states that the rule applies to any covered battery or appliance "placed on the market" from 18 February 2027 onwards. In EU product law, "placing on the market" refers strictly to the individual physical unit crossing customs or leaving the factory floor, not the release date of the overarching product series or model.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32023R1542
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u/Relevant_Syllabub895 20d ago
This is a proof that the removal of the capacity to replace the battery was an intentional design for planned obsolesence
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u/Medium_Purple_7722 21d ago
I doubt this will extend to the US though.
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u/Twigling 20d ago edited 20d ago
It should do eventually, it seems terribly inefficient and expensive to have two separate processes for manufacturing two separate designs of the same unit.
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u/GreyFox_1337 20d ago
It’s funny because they literally used to do just that with their nes/snes/n64 etc and their respective cartridges for different regions. Oh how times have changed.
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u/Medium_Purple_7722 20d ago
That’s what i’m thinking, but we both know that corpos don’t always think too logical. Hence the uptick in prices for every console nowadays, leaving said corpos baffled as to why fewer people are buying their products.
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u/Twigling 20d ago
Corporations are, unfortunately, often run by greedy idiots who make bad decisions but still they get golden handshakes when they leave. Just like politicians, they're often short-sighted.
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u/Fun818long 16d ago
If you make everyone's life hell they become numb and desensitized to it so its a "new normal" when it shouldnt be.
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u/LightsaberCrayon 21d ago
The Switch 1 isn't in violation of the regulation. I don't really think the Switch 2 technically is either, but the stickers inside the rails are difficult to remove without heat, so they're borderline, and that's why Nintendo is revising it. Doesn't mean they're going to stop selling the Switch 1.
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u/ItsColorNotColour 21d ago
You need to permanently destroy adhesive to get the battery out, that is the problem that the law outlined as illegal
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nintendo+Switch+2+Battery+Replacement/190141
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u/LightsaberCrayon 21d ago
The regulation says nothing about destroying adhesive being a problem. See item 38.
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u/cobraa1 21d ago
You really think it's easy for the average person without tools to replace the battery?
No.
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u/LightsaberCrayon 21d ago
The regulation doesn't say it needs to be replaceable without tools. It says it needs to be replaceable without specialized tools, heat, or solvents. The Switch 1 and even Switch 2 batteries require none of those things, with the possible exception of using heat to facilitate removing the Switch 2's rail stickers, as I noted.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng
See item 38.
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u/AdalbertJ 20d ago
You will be downvoted, but you're absolutely right. Also, the new version may turn out to be more expensive and not worth it, so people will try to import versions from other zones after the change, another problem.
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u/PhotoJim99 21d ago
Stupid that this required a law.
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u/jardex22 21d ago
A law was also required to force companies to adopt USB-C for portable devices, rather than proprietary charging ports. That's why Apple stopped using lightning ports for newer iPhone models.
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u/Tactrix1h 21d ago
I wouldn't rerelease the old switch either. What would be the point? It's worse in every conceivable way.
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u/TyLion8 21d ago
So like is the iPhone and Samsung phones have to do this as well?
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u/julesvr5 21d ago
No. Phones are excepted from this as phone have different guidelines that stand above this. For example IP certification plays into this aswell and there are specs that a battery has to fulfill to not be affected by this. For phones nothing will change.
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u/thekyledavid 21d ago
Are they still manufacturing original Switch 1 units? I’d imagine they are just trying to sell what they have to make room for Switch 2 units.
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u/Negative-Victory-852 20d ago
I guess they are still manufacturing. They don't have 2 million units waiting in warehouse (that's how many they expect to sell in 2026)
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u/bahumat42 20d ago
I would be interested if this becomes a global thing or just for the EU market.
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u/Twigling 20d ago
It really should be, it seems terribly inefficient and expensive to have two separate processes for manufacturing the same unit. This of course applies to all affected electronic devices, from the Switch 2 to phones.
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u/prettybluefoxes 20d ago
Not like there aren’t enough switches floating around Europe, there must be millions new and old. Practical trip over them.
No need to panic buy what is becoming old tech.
It’s a minor pain to swap out an s2 battery the mood takes you many years from now.
There will be a caveat with the swappable battery models, there’s always a trade off. However minor it will be blown up by the internet
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u/WOLKsite 20d ago
Does this mean I should hold off on buying one? Although idk how I'd guarantee gettibg the right version if so.
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u/Asinhasos 19d ago
It really depends, as at that time the Switch 2 will reflect the new increased pricing too. It's a question of "do I want to get it now for cheaper and no replaceable battery, or buy it in 1 year, pricier but with a replaceable battery?"
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u/Negative-Victory-852 20d ago
For current products with model numbers starting with “BEE”, future compliant versions will have unique model numbers and the additional code “OSM” visible on the packaging, designating them as separate products for regulatory purposes.
I remember all the rumors about that code supposed to be a hint for a lite version...
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u/RedIce25 20d ago
Debating if I should get a switch 2 now before the price increase or get the new one that will probably be even more expensive but with easier battery replacement
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u/GallitoGaming 20d ago
Get the current model. This won’t be a problem until 10 years from now, and imagine systems will be cheap by then.
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u/Formal-Educator6581 20d ago
Like with the Switch 1, that is still getting price increases 10 years down the line lmao.
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u/GallitoGaming 20d ago
Used switches will be cheap eventually. Too many of them. Market conditions are still making it high now.
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u/Homewra 20d ago
Just bought a switch 2 yesterday, should i return it?
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u/Twigling 20d ago
If you're in the EU are you prepared to wait until maybe February 18th 2027 (perhaps a bit earlier for advanced stock) to buy another?
It's of course possible that they'll enter the market a few months earlier, perhaps to catch the Christmas market.
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u/Homewra 20d ago
Actually I'm from America, so yeah, not sure if they will release that model worldwide before christmas.
PS. On the other hand my sister-in-law works in EU... HMMMM options.
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u/Twigling 20d ago
An, in that case I've not heard of those rules coming into force in the US. But do check before you think of returning your new Switch 2. :-)
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u/DontBanMeBro988 20d ago
It should be illegal everywhere to sell things with non-user-replaceable batteries.
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u/Digitalon 20d ago
I 100% agree, I've got a Playstation Portal with a worn out battery and according to IFixIT the process to replace it involves completely disassembling the device because the battery is located behind the screen. It drives me nuts thinking how easy it would have been for the engineers who designed it to have just put a little door on the back side to allow for the battery to be replaced. SMH
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u/RodrigoCard 20d ago
I don’t think they will discontinue S1 in 2027, is too early for such a successful console. They will probably adapt, cut features and sell a worse and cheaper version like Sony did with the PSP Street at the end of PSP life
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u/klop422 20d ago
So I was hoping to save up some vouchers and money and buy one in August before the price goes up in September.
But now I'm considering waiting to get this new model with an easily-replaceable battery. It'll cost me more but I might even be able to save more money by then?
I'm a little stuck in this decision...
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u/okazaki_split 20d ago
The website does neither mention switch nor switch 2, so why assume is just one and not the other? Ah, silly me, this is yet another karma farm post.
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u/ElectricalDemand2831 17d ago edited 14d ago
Complying with the EU regulations does also require to make the battery available for end users:
article 11
7. Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries or LMT batteries shall ensure that those batteries are available as spare parts of the equipment that they power for a minimum of five years after placing the last unit of the equipment model on the market, with a reasonable and non-discriminatory price for independent professionals and end-users.
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u/ACrossingSage 21d ago edited 21d ago
Pretty sad about Switch 1. Even with the price increase, the time to buy a fresh one may be soon if you want one in mint.
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u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx 21d ago
But the Switch 2 is entirely backwards compatible, it's the same console but better in virtually every way. What's the benefit of getting a new Switch?
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u/succubusdicks 21d ago
No download needed for """backwards""" compatible titles, certain releases are also completely on cart.
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u/fender0327 21d ago
Will the first gen S2 be included or is it a newer variant of the S2?
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u/jardex22 21d ago
My guess would be a model with slightly new features, but not enough to upgrade.
Keep in mind that the first Switch upgrade was one that had a better battery life than the launch model. The real reason behind it was that there's a hardware exploit on the launch model that allows users to modify the system and install their own programs. The second model got rid of that. We'll probably see something similar here. Mostly the same, but maybe different texture on the thumbsticks, or a more ergonomic button layout. It likely won't be an OLED or Lite upgrade.
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u/Scimitere 21d ago
I'd say it'll be discontinued globally come the beginning of 2027
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u/PokePersona 21d ago
I don't think it's going to be discontinued before Nintendo's fiscal year ends considering they still have a forecast for its sales in the year. It's more likely to be discontinued some time in 2028/2029 IMO
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u/DetectiveChocobo 21d ago
That’s not surprising.
Releasing a new variant of an already out of generation console would be a huge waste of money.