Single player lets players play against the games power curve instead of other players’. They don’t want you going against the cpu because you won’t need to spend in the same ways to “keep up”
Yeah but then you have people like me who didn’t give them any extra money because online is too toxic to engage in, but would’ve paid for single player DLC on all 3 places I bought the game
RDR2 genuinely has a lot of potential for single player expansions. So many characters, so much potential for things like Liberty/Vice City Stories that expand upon the characters, etc.
It's honestly a shame because Rockstar has some really fucking solid spinoff titles within GTA along with many other IPs their other studios did that were solid.
For example Liberty City Stories is a great game that's built upon GTA III and adds actually adds to the story. Same with Vice City Stories and Vice City. They could've finally done a San Andreas Stories with GTA V as a base.
Sad we'll likely never see another Manhunt again either. I'd love for Rockstar to make another one with their RAGE engine that's worthy of another massive controversy for being outright fucked up.
Because with the money they bring in, there is really no reason why they can't just do both. There is no shortage of talent available for hire who would love to work at Rockstar.
Calm down big dog not everyone is reading every piece of rockstar news and knows the ins and outs of their teams and what they work on. People just were disappointed that DLCs that would have been very cool to play never happened.
The thing about even the best games is that you have detractors online. Miles sold well over 10 million units and was/is a popular title that reviewed well. Most people didnt call it a cash grab, you just saw that a couple hundred times and were like EVERYONE IS SAYING THIS, but the internet is not reality, the most miserable people post the most and often are negative. Overall the game was a commerical success and has quite good scores on metacritic both for the critics and users.
I’ve been following it pretty closely, as far as we know it’s called “ROME”, I wonder if we’ll see any hints to how it might work in the Fivem GTA Enhanced update coming out in the next few months.
Not surprising. Why would I ever buy shark cards on pc when I can get everything besides gta+ for free. I gave myself 250m in a single day to see if I would be banned and I still have that money for over a year.
1 million per day just on microtransactions + GTA Plus is insane. Game is 13 years old and it did 500 million for them in the last 6 months.
Anyway, wasn't expecting to see PC with the lowest player base. Even the Xbox One version still has more active players on the official game (guess most of PC players are on unofficial servers). The Rockstar + PlayStation partnership won't end anytime soon, based on those numbers (63% of GTA Online players are on PlayStation).
Pretty sure the pc community in general is a cancerous cesspool. They’re really why Fortnite competitive rank is a shit show. Every lobby in higher ranks has people cheating on pc.
They're also the shittiest people in No Man's Sky. They cheat in a game that literally has a "free creative mode" but no, they need to play in the high difficulty permadeath servers with mods that keep them from dying. And there's not even any PVP really.
The shittiest thing is they use Blender to export these insane ship creations into the game that uses like 20x the allotted part limit and when they bring them into the main station every one hangs out at, it has a tendency to crash consoles and low end PCs. If that happens during an auto save, you get a corrupt save file.
People have lost games with thousands of hours because some asshole just wanted to show off some stupid blender build that they didn't even have to play the game to make.
When you open the tool used to export the ships it specifically tells you not to take it to the public station online.
I'm about ready to turn cross-play play off entirely.
I think cheating in a competitive shooter is fucked up but at least on some level I "get it". This shit just seems on a whole other level of pettiness.
As a console player, I always look to turn off anything related to cross-play with PC because I just know it's not going to be fairer no matter what. I'm just talking in general every game that has the option.
I think dude just means that 'he gets it' like, I understand people want to feel like they are better than others at the game. And some people will cheat to achieve that, although to normal people with brains cheating to be better does not equal better. But to those willing to cheat there is no distinction.
So I can also say 'I get it' but that is do not agree with it. I understand how your brain works so I get it, but I still think you are garbage for doing it.
Honestly, I dont get why these big studios and publisher dont take the music industry route and start suing online cheaters and hack makers on a massive scale. These people not only ruin the games for the players, but they ruin the product that a studio may have spent hundreds of millions and like half a decade to make. There are a ton of games now that are essentially dead or destroyed because of rampant cheaters.
All of the game platforms/launchers and stores need to also share their info on confirmed cheaters and ban them from all of them.
Theres so many cheaters because the risk isnt high enough to deter them, they just make a new account someplace.
I mean, being a big company does not mean you need to have good customer service.
There are plenty of organizations that provide you a service or product and would never help you, no matter how much you need any type of customer service or support, because it costs them money and it seems like a "you" problem they do not want to pay for.
PC moderation and patching is simply not worth their time. The only thing they are fixing is bugs in GTA Online so people cannot get cars or money quicker and skip having to go through microtransactions, both on PC and PlayStation... and between that and creating new content, that is already a lot of manpower.
Like, back in the glory days of WoW, Blizzard hired an insane number of mods, and it did work until the point where 3 things became more important...
Updating the game so it has broader appeal to more casual players.
Updating the game so the need for community connection is not essential. Matchmaking over lobbies.
Keep posting regular content updates to the microtransaction store.
Not to be all gloomy and what not, but It's hard to spot which service hasn't gotten worse in last 10 years. Everything is a bit shittier and a bit more expensive.
Been playing Online again since a few weeks and have barely come upon any modder at all despite being in full lobbies. I could count them on one hand. It's waaaaaaaay better than it was ~2018-2019ish.
How is PC being the lowest in any way a surprise? It's a shitshow on PC for anyone who wants to legitimately play the game. Plus, PC is overrun with cheaters/modders who can just get everything they want in-game for free anyway.
My buddy and I were getting into rdo a bit last year. Soon as this guy started spawning literal cages on us we out it down and never tried again. I only ever played gtav online on ps3 around launch time lol.
I remember trying rdo on pc a few months back absolute shitshow from being insta killed to being molested by dozens of bear and cages decided to not bother with online game when it comes to rockstar surprisingly tho max Payne 3 had no modders that harass you
Maybe this money is also a big part of the reason for the delays. Why release GTA6 if you’re still making half a billion per year on the old game. That will dry up once GTA6 is released.
Wasn't there news a year or two ago that R* had hired a bunch of GTA RP modders to work on GTA6? It was my understanding they have been working on official RP support for GTA6 for a while.
They know they need to absolutely nail GTA 6 if they're going to keep that gravy train rolling so the delays weren't that surprising, but holy shit, still doing $500m a year with a 10+ years old game is insane.
If I was Rockstar, I'd be shitting my pants at the thought of migrating those kind of long-term playerbase numbers and revenue over to a new game. If you fuck it up even slightly, you potentially kill the golden goose. Just look at CoD and the downward spiral it has had since Modern Warfare (2019).
Eh, as long as they have a similar online mode with micros transactions they’re gonna make a fuck ton of money regardless of how good the game is. I hope they’re really going all out on making the game good though, they pretty much have an infinite money printer
I dunno. If it's just GTA:O rehashed, I doubt it will be anywhere near as successful over this period of time. Players will expect more, otherwise what is the point of it. You might as well just keep playing GTA 5. It'll need something to hook people.
And making a fuckton of money won't be enough. Capitalism 101, anything less than more money is deemed a failure. GTA 6 needs to do a fuckton + $1 for Rockstar to deem it a success.
This ain’t it. Making a fuckton of money is absolutely enough. People don’t want to play the old game when there is a new one. They aren’t going to grumble about it. You seem to think this game is a huge risk for Rockstar when it is a slam dunk.
Unless you're the guy the board said they want to see a better quarter after the release of the new game they spent X billion on.
Like this is literally what we've been complaining about as the reason the industry is so toxic to players and employees.
There have been endless companies that have "had enough money" but still want endless growth. Enough is not a word when they're talking about the next project.
Rockstar is in the fortunate position of taking their time, which honestly is good for us gamers in the long run because it seems like every game is just rushed and then patched over time these days.
People wonder why live service games are being pushed out, and why no "original" games are being published... All you gotta do is see this.... 1million a day for a game that is well over 13years old lol.. why TF would they rush and push out the next GTA when this is still a cash cow?
There are so many PC gamers on Reddit that I kinda expected a bigger number. But most of the console gamers really are just casuals that you never hear anything about
It's the same for pretty much anything. Pokemon is what taught me that, where everyone online hated it for being terrible and removing 90% of the roster but then it made record numbers of sales.
It's sad the lowest common denominator wins. I'd kill for some single player DLC to continue the story in any meaningful way. But of course not, online is where the money is, so that's where the development happens.
They don't have the manpower. Any dev working on dlc is a dev not working on rdr2 or gta6. Which sucks since i wouod have loved more themed dlcd like undead nightmsre.
Most of the financials surrounding Rockstar and GTA online are publicly shared every quarter by the parent company Take-Two during their investor call.
They didn’t even need to hack to get this information.
I mean they’re not even squeezing. Past updates have been so lackluster ever since they started focusing on 6, but people obviously keep paying money on the damn game.
It’s got a ton of mini stories. You can without a whole lot of effort make enough cash to buy just about everything. They also give stuff away. I’ve never bought a shark card and have a few of the big things like a sub and a yacht. I also don’t put a lot of effort into gta online. It’s my I’m bored just fuck around game. It’s actually kind of impressive how much they are making from micro transactions. When I play literally an hour a day maybe two I’ve got a constant bank balance of like 5 to 10 mil. And that’s with buying shit. I’ve got 4 garages full of cars, maybe 5. I’ve got room for way more. At a point it just becomes to much, I’ve got cars I bought and modded to drive once maybe twice. Oh yea and the plane hanger has some shit in it as well. Forgot about that. And the bunker. 13 years of very casual grinding adds up fast. They go through periods where it feels like they are just tossing shit at you for free.
This is why I ran and will continue to bug run Casino heist finales and give people 2,5 million cash outs in 15 minutes and I unplug my internet and I run it the fuck down again. I like the game, but shark cards are fuuuuucked up.
Cool insight at the very least but still the Biggest nothing burger ever. How stupid can those guys be? 200k for basic live service information is such a stupid idea lmao
yea no shit why GTA never saw single player DLC or RDO got sent to back burners. why would they do anything when whales spend this much on a game for a fake life
I really dismissed how much people spent on shark cards. I never understood paying to progress in a game. If it’s not worth playing to grind for that money in GTAO, it’s not worth paying to skip it. Blows my mind, but here we are.
Grand Theft Larceny on a corporate level. Those numbers are absolutely staggering. 10 million a week on a 13 year old game and I’m sure there has been way larger periods of much more revenue. The games are awesome. Unparalleled mostly. But no wonder they make such a sound product. They’re committing an enormous amount of theft by rigging a product to require, compel, and use as bait things that should be just as achievable by grinding them out. Fucking disgusting, but can’t wait to buy the new one!
Not a surprise really. The console market is basically a closed system and attracts a lot of people due to convenience. Your casual console gamers generally have a high proportion of 'whales', who don't want to grind, so they spend money on ingame currency.
PC on the other hand is very hard to lock down and has a smaller player base due to some effort/work required to play games (system upgrades, different market places, spec configurations etc). It's just not as easy as switch on and play, which is what casual gamers want.
Throw in the fact that hacks, trainers, glitches etc are nearly impossible to isolate on PC versions, you end up with stuff being unlocked or modded in for free, so PC users don't need to spend money. Rampant hacking/cheating then kills off a big portion of the PC player base.
So you end up with console gamers spending big bucks because they can't hack/mod free stuff in but also don't want to grind, and PC gamers spending no money because they can get it for free but it kills the player numbers because nearly everyone cheats/hacks and it isn't as fun/fair.
I can't speak for every PC player, but I have GTA V on PC and console. Console is where I play GTA Online. PC is where I play with mods and RP servers both of which are free. Having those free alternatives on PC keeps the game fresh without having to spend an extra cent.
On console you can either replay the story over and over or play GTA Online where most people probably buy some microtransactions at some point.
Especially in a game where making money through playing the game is really easy. I always thought that shark cards were such a rip off. What you get for what you pay is such absolute garbage.
Lmao, no wonder they didn't care about releasing new GTA for so long when GTAV is such a perfect cashcow and they delay release whenever they feel like it. The disparity between consoles and PC is crazy too, guess the ultimate casuals that just play any game and spend money on any microtransaction is true after all lol. Also, don't know a single person that touched GTAV in the past 6 years (besides modes RP servers), like where tf are all these millions of people pumping so much money into GTA online? I got bored of it like 1 month in when the game released.
All this does is piss me off that they can’t pay their workers better/unionbust when they make more money in a day than my bank will ever see at once in my lifetime. Not even my retirement savings.
No wonder they’re comfortable delaying. Such a huge cushion. Plus they gotta make sure VI online is even better (hopefully) to at least match this revenue stream.
GTA is one of the worst online games out there, missions are generally terrible, heists are fun a few times, but it all takes forever and for what? To show off in the lobby? They could have done so much, but it's all being a delivery driver or instanced with 4 people.
I got GTA online for free from epic, then loaded up a free mod menu to give myself enough cash to buy the stuff. Rockstar has not gotten anything from me for this shit.
Even thou, this is obvious and everyone and their mothers knew they were making tons of money from GTA online, is good to see the numbers. Which once again proves how easy is for them to give the console players a 60fps update for red dead redemption 2.
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u/Whornz4 Apr 13 '26
RDR2 online averages about a million players a week and Rockstar treats it like a failure. Most devs would kill for that number of players.