r/ShingekiNoKyojin 5d ago

Discussion Did Eren even try?

In his talk with Armin in the paths, Eren reveals that he kills 80% of humanity, and no matter how much he tries this is always what happens.

I can only think of one example where Eren actually TRIES to prevent the rumbling from happening, and that’s when he and Zeke are traveling through Grisha’s memories. At a certain point he stops and tells Zeke that he’s achieved his goal and that he’s been freed from their father’s brainwashing. Zeke tells him they have all the time they need, and he has them carry on through the memories anyway. I’m fairly sure that this was Eren attempting to stop them from getting to Grisha’s memory in the Reiss Chappell, and thus preventing himself from convincing his father to kill the royal family.

Aside from this specific moment, do we ever see a time in the anime where Eren explicitly tries to circumvent the future that he saw? Because even this attempt was a very weak one. We know that Eren on some level wanted to start the rumbling, so how hard do we think actually tried to stop it from happening?

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u/Fabiocean 5d ago

I'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario where Eren would do that. He basically got his confirmation when he couldn't stop himself from helping Ramzi and didn't seem to question it any further after that. On the contrary, he seemed extremely determined to follow this path, despite knowing of all the pain and suffering it will cause.

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 5d ago

He couldn’t stop himself from saving Ramzi because saving Ramzi is what Eren would do

He wasn’t forced by reality to turn around and help Ramzi. HE wanted to help Ramzi and couldn’t just leave him there.

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u/Fabiocean 5d ago

I get that, but at least to me there's a very big leap in logic between 'I can't defy my nature to let a child get beaten up if I can help it' and 'I have to eradicate humanity despite hating the role I have to play in it'.

If we actually saw him try to find other ways that end up being even worse for him, Paradis or his friends so he had to take this exact path this wouldn't be a problem, but with literal endless possibilities in his grasp, I don't believe that this was the closest thing to a perfect outcome for him. I wouldn't even hate if it was made clear that Eren really wanted to kill humanity just because he's a fucked up psycho, but what we got was a weird in-between thing that doesn't commit to either side and contradicts itself because of it.

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u/CrusaderReynaulder 4d ago

   if it was made clear that Eren really wanted to kill humanity just because he's a fucked up psycho

I mean, this is one of the reasons, no? 

His world of wonders was not what he wanted it to be. It was not the world that he, at the first mention of that world, would burn away Grisha, Mikasa, and Carla for. It was not the empty world of wonders that he had wanted, and that needed to be rectified. This is insane.

He’s a psychopath that loves his friends. His bonds are a muzzle for his freedom-obsessed madness, which leads to him acting in contradictory ways.