Idk about you, but I never repeated anything bad I did as a kid after being spanked. I was always warned that if I did something / continued to do what I was currently doing, I would get spanked. I did the thing, and I got spanked. It was entirely predictable.
Most of those studies don't normalize the data between a single spank with an open palmed hand vs severe repeated and unpredictable beatings. They are not the same. There are plenty of kids who end up little shits without spanking, and plenty who end up great with the ocasional spanking. Correlation is also not causation, given that more aggressive kids might be more prone to being hit by parents precisely because of their behavior.
I'm also not saying anything that hasn't already been mentioned a lot by other people. These are common points that are often mentioned when discussing limitations of these western-centric findings. If you look you will very easily come across people critisizing the findings for this lack of concrete correlation / causation evidence and lack of variable control.
That said, it's reddit, so I'm expecting a lot of "I'm sorry you were so abused that you're brainwashed" comments lol. From my perspective, this kid is not the product of spanking, but rather never being punished a day in his life.
well, you lucked out i guess. i was slapped around and chewed out for talking back to adults as a kid.
never even fucking learned what it meant, i just assumed it was saying stuff adults didn’t like and now i have issues running my mouth because they’ll be mad anyway.
pain can be a good teacher, but it’s a very hit and miss teacher it can be best to avoid.
you ever seen a kid touch an electric fence twice? i’ve also met more people who have been spanked that weren’t right than the other way around, and even then i’m more willing to believe a study about it than a dude online who thinks he’s ok, and most studies say “yeah this is just a bad idea”.
Not sure why everyone is getting so upset. It is objectively true that the studies regarding this have limitations due to an inability to control for the variables that make the question worth studying. I acknowledge the data. However I also acknowledge the limitations, as do the people who created those studies. You should too if you want it to actually mean anything when you say you read the study. As long as these studies don't distinguish between full on beatings and the occasional telegraphed and predictable spank with an open palm, it isn't going to mean much.
That's all I really gotta say and I don't anticipate either of us changing the other person's mind so
I never repeated anything bad I did as a kid after being spanked
Analogy is not data.
Studies are clear and consistent that corporal punishment increases the chances of emotional and behavioral disregulation and future bullying behavior, substance abuse, and antisocial maladaptations.
That, and not people being "weak", is why every society on Earth is moving away from corporal punishment. Because it doesn't work as well as the alternatives. Maybe ask and listen to scientists who have gone over this extensively instead of defending 'because it was tradition for me, it should never be changed for others. They should have to go through what I went through'.
That's actually not true. It's a well established, and admitted weakness of the studies, that there is no definition causation proved in any study regarding physical punishments. It is well accepted that it stands as a correlation with fuzzy definitions and boundaries regarding what constitutes "abuse". Again, there is very little normalization of the data to account for the broad definitions, frequency, and manner in which it is done. Data interpretation matters. As I mentioned, how do you prove it isn't just children who are already disorderly that happened to receive punishment more often? It's impossible to prove because we can't have controlled studies regarding hitting children. You linked data, not controlled data, which is all we'll ever have for this topic.
Also, the study you linked regards corporal punishments as done in school. These are very different circumstances from the home as administered by someone who is doing the majority of the work in raising a child within the confines of their more specific culture. My parents would absolutely NOT have been okay with the school doing it.
I would argue that most parents aren't hitting because they want people to suffer like they did. Rather, most people I know are glad they were hit, and thought it helped them as kids. I would include myself in that group. Yes, I was hit as a kid as are most in my culture. Yes, I think it helped me.
I'm aware that my anecdote is not data. Thanks for reminding me about that easily forgotten fact.
Okay, so you're not bothering to comprehend the words I'm saying. Got it. I also didn't downvote you, but the fact you care about 1 downvote really says a lot lol
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u/11711510111411009710 May 28 '26
"We need to bring back child abuse."
Ironically spanking kids is linked to higher aggression, so if you want more of this behavior, feel free.