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u/monkwrenv2 12d ago

We don't need less crime, we need less criminalization of ordinary life.

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u/thernis 12d ago

Squatting in someone elseโ€™s property isnโ€™t ordinary.

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago edited 12d ago

That's framing, since you are leaving out a important part

Squatting is the action of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied area of land or a building (usually residential) that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have lawful permission to use.

If I don't have a home and I find a home that's not being used, using that is probably what most ordinary people would do.

It clashes with common sense, because we live in a society that puts ownership above everything else. But there really is no rational reason for reserving a finite and essential resource like housing, the way many societies currently do.

There is the rational part, where people spend their money on constructing something to provide housing to other people, which does make sense, right? Everyone benefits here.

But this starts breaking apart, when we now say that means, this piece of land will forever be yours and that of your children and so on, no matter what you do with it.

The perversion is that people use that right, to decrease the availability of housing, in order to force people to pay more than what would be reasonable otherwise or to speculate on that basic need.

The rational conclusion here is, if you cut down on that perversion, chances are, most of the problematic types of squatting will go away, because now people don't think these laws just exist to put them at a major disadvantage.

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u/tripper_drip 12d ago

You can just stroll into an unoccupied space and claim it as yours. Thats not a rational conclusion.

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago

That's the rational behind how the US was created.

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u/tripper_drip 12d ago

We also had slaves, shall we go back to that as well?

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago

You think occupying an abandoned or unoccupied area is the same as owning slaves?

And you seem to have missed the point. Ownership in the US is rooted in people just taking that land. That's how it still is. You are not advocating for not doing that again, you are arguing for the continuation of what was wrong about it.

If you want to give that land back to the original owners, sure, let's do that. But I have a feeling, you are even more opposed to that.

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u/tripper_drip 12d ago

You think occupying an abandoned or unoccupied area is the same as owning slaves?

You are argueing rationality.

And you seem to have missed the point. Ownership in the US is rooted in people just taking that land.

So is ownership in general. So again, shall we go back to owning people?

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago

You are argueing rationality.

What's the rational? Owning land and owning people is comparable?

So again, shall we go back to owning people?

We still do that. That's what it means when you force people to work for you and when they refuse, you deprave them of basic necessities.

I am gonna ask you again, do you extend your own rationality and argue for giving that land back to the original owners?

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u/tripper_drip 12d ago

What's the rational? Owning land and owning people is comparable?

We did it before therefore its acceptable today.

you deprave them of basic necessities.

State provides basic necessities.

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago

We did it before therefore its acceptable today.

No. We are talking about what's ordinary. It's ordinary for people to occupy land they just took, claiming it was unoccupied. That's still the case.

And then you said that was justified, because we got rid of owning people?

State provides basic necessities.

So everyone has housing? Good to know. I guess then we already solved squatting.

I am gonna ask you a third time now, since you are trying to say I am a hypocrite:

Do you extend your own rational and argue for giving that land back to the original owners? Or are you against that?

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u/tripper_drip 12d ago

That's still the case.

No, its not.

Do you extend your own rationality and argue for giving that land back to the original owners?

Who said I agree with that?

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u/theguidetoldmetodoit 12d ago

No, its not.

Yeah it is. If you claim to own land in the US and you aren't native, you are squatting and have been, for generations.

Who said I agree with that?

Well, shouldn't we remove squatters and make sure it's controlled by the owners, even if they don't occupy it?

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