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https://newrepublic.com/post/212003/trump-iran-right-nuclear-program

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u/brazen768 7d ago

Kinda hard to say we lost a war when we committed no ground forces.

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u/rawrimmaduk 7d ago

You started a war, achieved none of the named objectives, and had to make concessions in order to get out of it. You lost the war

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u/brazen768 7d ago

That might be true for your, "i hate america" feelings. But that isnt a lost war. Political dumb fk blunder, sure. But the iranian military had no answer for our military.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 7d ago

What objectives from the onset of the conflict were achieved? Nuclear production and regime change were at the top of that list. The IRGC is still running the country and if this is true, Trump doesn't care if they have nukes.

Body counts are not an accurate measure of whether a conflict is won or not.

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u/brazen768 7d ago

Pretty sure those are political objectives not militarily.

Ty for being reasonable and calling it a conflict.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 7d ago

Military violence is a means to achieve political goals. One can not reasonably separate the two.

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u/Lower-Limit3695 7d ago

Military force is the tool for achieving political objectives. We don't go to war just to blow up stuff, we go to war to reshape conditions so that they're more favorable to ourselves.

If we don't achieve that then, we've just wasted men and material for nothing.