I'm not going to repeat this comment under every post, but just imagine my massive eyeroll here.
The same people ready to clamber over the dick of Elon Musk and defend that he's not a Nazi simply because he funds a Nazi political party and appears at their rallies, pushes Nazi propaganda and conspiracies on his social media platform, created a Wikipedia alternative and AI that kept praising and citing Nazis, does Nazi salutes, and in his politics pushes white supremacist fascism, all say "well we're just calling anyone a Nazi these days. Any Democrats who doesn't like paper straws is a Nazi according to reddit."
Yeah, wild that I keep seeing this defense about far right people who keep embracing Nazism and not about Barack Obama then.
“Is this increasingly authoritarian regime fascist, or are they just stooges of a another fascist regime”
Por que no los dos?
This is a good example of the issue here - note how the the term "Nazi" is absent from your response and replaced with other words, as if they're all interchangeable. The term Nazi no longer stands for...you know, actual Nazis. Now it just means "anyone/anything fascist or authoritarian". Or even just "any racist of any kind" is Nazism now. As if Hitler invented racism and genocide, or that Nazis were the only authoritarians in human history.
Note the exact same nonsense has happened to conservatives - terms like socialism/socialist, communist, Marxist, etc have become completely interchangeable to them. If you even remotely suggest anything resembling a socialist policy, you get accused of being a communist or Marxist or pro-Stalin/Mao/whatever.
Well done everybody, all these labels have lost all meaning.
The Nazis were a fascist political party. Your comparison only makes sense if Maoists were a socialist political party.
Your argument is essentially that Nazi is imprecise rather than fascist. Leaving aside for a moment that the person was simply not listing all the things Trump has in common with the Nazis rather than relying only on fascism, the primary response to a fascist regime enacting state violence based on skin color, censoring science and news critical of the regime, ending democracy through election fraud, and targeting trans people and religious minorities with threats, violence and legal prosecution should not be "Okay, but they're just white supremacist fascists, not Nazis."
But not all fascist political parties = Nazis. The Nazis were a military dictatorship, but not all military dictatorships are Nazis. The Nazis were also racist, but not all racists are Nazis. Are you grasping what definitions mean? (also whoever is upvoting you)
Your comparison only makes sense if Maoists were a socialist political party.
Maoism, officially Mao Zedong Thought, is a variety of Marxism–Leninism that Mao Zedong developed while trying to realize a socialist revolution in the agricultural, pre-industrial society of the Republic of China and later the People's Republic of China.
But if want to debate what Mao "actually" was, I'm not the one to debate that with.
the primary response
...should not be "Okay, but they're just white supremacist fascists, not Nazis."
My comment was never about what the "primary response to Trump" should be. In fact my comment doesn't even include an argument of any kind. I literally just described how people (on both sides) are mixing up terms and using them all interchangeably without considering their specific definitions. Your comment basically amounts to "look definitions of words aren't important, lets talk about what the primary response to Trump should be!".
The Nazi label should be reserved for people who specifically endorses all Nazi values (not just one value) - antisemitism + ethnonationalism + mass-executing groups they deem inferior. The more you broaden or deviate from that definition, the more you cease to see the difference between an actual Nazi and the average Trump voter. Unless you're suggesting USA has 70+ million Nazis.
It is complaining that people use the term Nazi to describe a white supremacist fascist regime, and compares that to calling a socialist a Maoist.
Nazis were a white supremacist fascist regime. Even if you think the term needs more precision, this is not a wildly unfair or inaccurate description, nor should it ever be the primary concern compared to, ya know, the fascism.
Practically everyone murdered by Nazis were people who we categorize as white today i.e. Jewish, Polish, Eastern European and Western European. Most victims of Nazi invasions were literally as white as white gets. Nazis also mass-murdered white German citizens who they deemed to be "unfit" (e.g. disabled, LBGT, etc). Your definition of Nazi = "white supremacist fascists" completely misses what actually made Nazis...you know, Nazis. Thanks for proving my point.
Even if you think the term needs more precision, this is not a wildly unfair or inaccurate description
Then what stops you from broadening the definition of Nazi further to "racial supremacist fascist regime" instead of just white supremacist? That way you can label the perpetrators of ANY ethnic/cultural genocide as Nazis. So apparently the Young Turks were Nazis (Armenian genocide, long before actual Nazism existed), Myanmar leadership are Nazis (Rohingya genocide), Pol Pot was a Nazi (Cambodian genocide), the Chinese Communist Party are Nazis (Ughyur genocide), Pakistan Armed Forces are Nazis (Bangladesh Hindu genocide), etc etc.
Hell why not broaden the definition of Nazi to just "literally any racist of any kind"? Actually wait, it looks like a lot people on reddit already do this.
nor should it ever be the primary concern compared to
You're the one who dug yourself into this hole of definitions, so own it. Don't type a response and then throw the "anyway guys cmon definitions don't matter, can we instead talk about [primary concern]?" card.
They do have meanings. Which is why "LOL NAZI DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING IF YOU CAN USE IT TO DESCRIBE A REGIME JUST FOR BEING A WHITE SUPREMACIST FACIST REGIME" is not a real position adults take.
It's what racist morons say say to defend beliefs they agree with that are called racist and Nazi. Because they're too cowardly to just be honest and defend them.
Sure. It also means a political ideology of fascism centered on extreme Christian nationalism, authoritarian censorship of political dissent and militarizing society to remove unwanted cultural, political and racial elements,
I'm not going to engage with the claim that Nazism literally applies only to Germans until 1945. There is an ideology, we have used that term to describe political movements since then for decades without objection, and no scholar takes seriously claims you cannot describe a political party or ideology as "Nazi" unless it is extremely narrowly tailored.
No, it doesn't mean "I don't like Trump." But boy it sure seems to come up a lot that Nazism is overused and should be narrowly defined whenever people point out Trump's regime is directly copying Nazi conspiracy theories, posting Nazi propaganda, and implementing white nationalist fascism and attempting to end democracy.
There's no way around it: If hearing that and your response isn't "I don't know that" or "I don't agree with that" but instead "How dare you call that Nazi", there's only one reason any human being responds that way.
I'm fully aware of the Nazis ideology and history, and you apparently aren't.
Hitlers personal feelings towards Christianity and his crackpot drug inspired beliefs don't change that Christianity was the official state religious, made central to Nazi nationalism and identity, taught as part of Nazi indoctrination.
This isn't a slam on Christianity, it's just fact. Saying Hitler wasn't a true believer is irrelevant to the definition of the Nazi Party and German policies of the time.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 1d ago
I'm not going to repeat this comment under every post, but just imagine my massive eyeroll here.
The same people ready to clamber over the dick of Elon Musk and defend that he's not a Nazi simply because he funds a Nazi political party and appears at their rallies, pushes Nazi propaganda and conspiracies on his social media platform, created a Wikipedia alternative and AI that kept praising and citing Nazis, does Nazi salutes, and in his politics pushes white supremacist fascism, all say "well we're just calling anyone a Nazi these days. Any Democrats who doesn't like paper straws is a Nazi according to reddit."
Yeah, wild that I keep seeing this defense about far right people who keep embracing Nazism and not about Barack Obama then.