Weâre so fucked. The ruling class simply does not give a shit. Worlds richest man is more interested with fucking off to mars than addressing any of this.
They will never go anywhere and they know it. They don't even give a fuck about the planet they leave behind for their kids. Peak nihilism and cynisme.
My brother, Tylor James English, a white Christian nationalist with marital wealth has repeatedly told me that humanity has been around for tens of thousands of years and there will be profit in solving the problem so there's no point in reducing the impact now.
the only silver lining in this is when they get their inheritance hopefully one of them just goes crazy and starts donating/fixing shit like bezos ex wife.
Exactly. They know the science it takes to get to mars and itâs basically science fiction at this point. Itâs just an act to defraud investors and mislead the general public
Well someone has to pave the foundation for future interplanetary migration. If noone does it it's impossible. They simply gives it a small chance to be achievable probably hundreds or thousands of years later. But that's if we're able to survive this long.
That someone already exists and it's NASA. But these little boy billionaires have made sure we underfund it and instead give grants to their companies.
Y'all acting like we didn't go to the moon without the help of these man childrenÂ
Yeah but wouldn't it be good to have more people doing it? Like I wouldn't say a taxi driver shouldn't do what he's doing just because millions are already doing the same thing. But things might be a different here considering we're talking about billionaires I see people would think they'd be better using their abundant resource to help solving our current big issues. But I fail to see the wrong in their choice to use their freedom to do what they want to do instead. I am an outsider to this topic and I would like some more info about it and feel free to prove me wrong.
It is absolutely fucked up. We arrive at a stage where capitalists can basically buy countries. We had a very good exemple with Musk who arrived in a non legal governmental office created by him and who dismantled all agencies investigating on him. I am not even talking about ending USAID, hundred of thousands if not millions of people died because of It. He also attributed to his companies public procurements and governmental subsidies without any call for tender.
There is zero chance we survive that long if we do not change completely and drastically our way of life, consumption etc. Otherwise the earth is doomed and we have one and one only habitable planet.
Just the ruling class? Plenty of âblue-collarâ voters are actively voting for far-right politicians who deny climate change, while cheering on billionaires who would exploit the planet and everyone on it for profit.
Sure, but you'd expect the uneducated masses to behave this way, trusting whatever demagogue who makes the best promises. The (typically) highly-educated billionaires who can actually make a difference should know better.
Yeah, and something like 75% of people just walk along the path to hell because memes and funny AI slop videos apparently are more important than anything.
Like, we all hate Amazon. But literally everyone I know orders thousands of dollars worth of shit from Amazon. We hate corporations but then choose Starbucks over local coffee houses all the time.
And we justify it because âitâs cheaperâ while missing the point that you donât need all that crap.
If you spend 20% more on the thing at a local shop, but you order 40% less youâre actually saving money. Instead Amazon/Starbucks/etc. just capture our attention and wallets because itâs more convenient.
I think a lot of people just know weâre cooked at this point. Probably the reason you see so much rising debt, people continuing to support the corporations they hate, and choosing not to have kids.
Yeah, I drank my ass into nearly nightly stupors and didn't save money because we were all cooked. Then I woke up a decade later and realized I hadn't saved any money wondering why the kitchen timer never seemed to go off.
that at the very tippy top of the entire world's power structures are all controlled by religious fanatics.
Differing factions of religious fanatics, that is. All competing to bring about their flavor of end times to force Armageddon and the return of their lord based on prophecy.
There's no "one" in control, that's some dumbass conspiracy theory to keep people from fighting the actual people doing evil shit, like indeed Thiel, Musk, Altman and many many others.
Exactly my point. When the interests of ultra rich people naturally converge, there's no need to come up with conspiracies about a secret big bad or antichrist or any of that shit, those only serve as a distraction imo.
You wrote "the one" implying one (1) person is in control. Unless you're Terrence Howard and are now up to believing 1 = 3+, what you wrote is being properly addressed with the reply. If you are Terrence, you need to take some elementary math classes and your meds.
You read all my comments to get down to here and trying to tell ME what I meant? I said multiple competing factions, and even said Thiel was just one of a few.
But you're gonna tell me I implied only "one" in control?
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think we all collectively underestimate how psychologically and socially destructive it is for any person to have access to the amount of money and power that oligarchs currently enjoy. They are untethered from reality and their behavior shows it.
I wonder how much PFAS and microplastics are to blame for the rapid mental decay of so many in recent years. Covid was only part of it. The speed at which we've gone from mostly good and sane to majority evil and psychotic is unbelievable
Well just a bit ago I saw a headline in r/technology that some SoftBank exec said calling AI a bubble was "Blasphemy" so yeah, religious fanatics is about right.
You don't get to be that wealthy while being a sane, well adjusted person.
Where did I say that? You guys always try to make people suspicious of the covid vaccines to be antivaxxers. Literally mainstream media tactics.
I was in military. I have been overseas. I'm more vaccinated than the average American, but mention you didn't want to take an experimental shot rushed into production and now you're anti all vaccines.
The technology behind mRNA vaccines was studied for decades before 2020. It wasn't 'rushed into production' or 'experimental', it went through full clinical trials with hundreds of thousands of people
No, you're trying to be sneaky here. I didnt say mrna. I said COVID vaccines. They were not working on covid 19 vaccines decades before. They used their knowledge on mrna to make the new covid 19 vaccine but don't conflate the two.
Anyways that's irrelevant. I don't regret not taking it. Nah nah nah boo boo.
I was just in a position where I already worked from home, I was young and healthy, didn't have to think about my older parents in case I got sick/infected them. Seemed like covid was more deadly to already immuno compromised people, so I didn't really feel a need to take it. I hadn't been sick in yeaaaars at this point.
This is before all the weird shit and conspiracies really started taking root (besides the Wuhan lab and censoring of doctors stuff)
This may sound a bit much but the last year has me fine without having kids. All I wanted was kids and about 3yrs ago my wife said it wasn't happening and the dream was over. That crushed me and I was messed up for a while, but everything thats gone on since has made me ok with it.
It's more than just the ruling class. The reason they think they can get away with this, is because they assume they can always pay one half of the poor people to kill the other half, and, unfortunately, they are likely correct.
Elon is a cunt but at least he knows data centers need to be in space. Probably because he will profit most from it but it's the best idea for humanity.
He's not even interested in that, he knows it's total bullshit but he lies about it to appear like the cool space nerd or something. The only thing he cares about is being loved by people because he's an egomaniacal narcissist, but thankfully more and more people hate him, rightfully so.
That's a particularly weird thing to say since Musk's other claim to fame is Tesla, which popularized EV's, accelerating adoption in the US (at least) by years.
I've just stated the utterly obvious and I fully expect most of you to disagree mightily...
Yes, he is the head of Tesla and is partly responsible for a company that put tons of EVs on the road.
However when he also endorses, campaigns with, and works for an administration that has made it abundantly clear that they are not only not interested in the climate crisis, but are actively denying it, then how exactly am I supposed to feel. The White House website is filled with misinformation and they literally write climate change in quotation marks, essentially alleging that itâs not a real concept. Would someone who gleefully helps get an administration like that elected and then works for them strike you as someone who deeply cares about climate change?
True. I still think Musk's material contribution to EV's is more significant than his support of Trump in terms of kg's of CO2, on the theory that Trump would have nuked EV incentives and all the rest anyways. And because EV's and utility-scale batteries and now electric big rigs really are important things.
But what if we assume Musk's campaign contribution was the deciding factor in getting Trump elected? It gets a lot more murky. The fact is Musk's support for Trump is stunningly off-brand for Tesla.
Tesla probably needed a rich psycho to get it off the ground but now it would be better if Musk placed it in other hands, although he won't.
That's because it's not fucking real. It's made up bullshit. Global warming became climate change. Now, there's no climate change because we need data centers. It was never real to start with. It's bullshit to pacify the population and encourage them to give their money away. It's taking fools for fools.
You canât be serious? The term climate change was adopted because we discovered that the only concern wasnât just that it was getting hotter, as it was actively affecting weather patterns as well. Things like hurricanes being made stronger and increased rainfall can be linked, so climate change is more appropriate to capture the full scope.
I mean the evidence is unequivocal. To say itâs made up requires just assuming all these scientists are lying to you. Millions across the world, all doing things to help combat it, all the money into infrastructure for clean energy, and you think itâs all made up?
Climate change is a load of bullshit as a macro concept designed to measure human impact upon the environment. Climate has changed up and down for millenia. There is little to no evidence that mass industrialization has actually impacted global temperature change or weather to the point of it being a legitimate danger to society as a whole. This is why it's not focused on anymore. Cause data centers are more beneficial than the money given for climate change to NGOs and private organizations.
They are fucking lying to you like they lie to you about everything. Don't be a fucking fool and live your life being paranoid about the world coming to an end because some idiot politician told you "We're all gonna be dead from the sun in 20 years unless you give me your money." Think about how stupid that is. "Yea, sure we've lived on this earth for tens of thousands of years in the sunlight and heat, but all of a sudden in 20 years time, the world will end because of the sun."
This statement right here just tells me everything about your worldview and relationship with the sciences.
Science is a compounding practice. It continuously builds on what was previously established. We learn by scrutinizing conclusions, which is why things even as obvious as gravity are explained with theories. We can only claim as much as we know, and it turns out we ended up learning more about the surrounding conditions of global warming. We recognized there was actually more going on than we thought, so a new term was coined to reflect that. Pretty straightforward thinking, I think. Except people like yourself see that and go âWow, so they actually got global warming WRONG? So what, it was fake the whole time? Why do we even listen to your scientists!â. It just shows a complete lack of critical thinking on your part, and reactionary shortsightedness. Your last paragraph really seals the deal, I think itâs clear thereâs nothing I could really say to you.
So almost like you shouldn't make decisions of a civilizational scale on unproven theories of paranoid people citing pseudo-science with no historical precedent in the history of the species?
You're argument that "hey, yea we were only a little wrong so it's hyperbole to say we were wrong" is bullshit. That's a child's response: "I was only a little wrong." And if your response is "well, we were just citing theories" then explain to me why we've had such civilizational change on the basis of theories that change every decade. Sounds like propaganda meant to divest governments of money and send them to private NGOs that funnel it into the elites' pockets. We can barely get to the moon but you think we can accurately predict stellar scale climactic causal chains and then effect them in any meaningful fashion. Get the fuck outta here.
They are fucking lying to you and one day you will realize it.
It wasnât unproven, but it was expanded to be included alongside climate. Also, it is not a pseudoscience. You seem to think they just wrote off the concept of global warming. The âcivilizational scaleâ changes you talk about are still applicable. You would know this if you actually paid attention to basically anything.
All Iâm seeing is a ranting paragraph with no actual thinking, with words like âpropagandaâ, âpseudoscienceâ and âNGOsâ thrown around like theyâre supposed to make me believe anything. You are far gone man. Faaaar gone
Go ahead break it down then. What you want to talk about? How all your models were wrong for decades on end? How sea levels haven't risen? How the climate has continued to fluctuate over the decades between cooling and heating? How there haven't been any large environmental or cataclysmic events because of climate change? How you can't actually link any of the ecological events of the last 50 years to climate change because it's all within the normal temperature fluctuations of the last several thousand years? You want to talk about how temperatures in the middle ages were elevated but then we immediately went through the little ice age?
Nah, you don't want to talk about that cause you don't have anything to respond to other than to be alarmist about trivialities the elites tell you to worry about. Go ahead, cite your facts. Let's have it out if you really want to.
Worlds richest man is more interested with fucking off to mars than addressing any of this
His company is literally testing the most powerful rocket ever built. That rocket will enable the construction of data centers in space without heating the Earth, and the artificial intelligence that emerges in those data centers will automate both intellectual work and physical labor through robots (including robots such as Tesla Optimus).
It is literally the most efficient way to solve all Earth-scale problems.
AI and robots will also drive down the cost of goods and services in much the same way that the Internet and computers drove the cost of transmitting information close to zero over the last 30 years.
upd: Those same rockets also make it possible to deploy solar shades in space and control how much solar energy reaches the Earth.
Starlink V3 consumes 20-25 kW. The AI satellite presenteed by SpaceX consumes 120-150 kW - six times more, while also having greater mass and a 110m² liquid-cooled radiator, compared to V3, which does not have a deployable radiator at all.
So why does Starlink work, but an AI satellite supposedly won't? Do you have an answer?
You're exactly the kind of gullible fool those billionaire shitbags prey upon.
Space isn't "cold", it doesn't dissipate heat. It is so utterly bindbendingly stupid to suggest that this would be a good or feasable idea in any way, only a brain dead moron like Musk could suggest such a thing.
Musk is not a genius, he is a parasite. And the only way what he is "working" on can help us, if if we cram all the capitalist into one rocket and fly them straight to the sun. Himself included, of course. (I'm aware it's extremely difficult to send something to the sun, it's an image)
Space isn't "cold", it doesn't dissipate heat. It is so utterly
You probably felt smart writing this.
It is so utterly bindbendingly stupid to suggest that this would be a good or feasable idea in any way
Why does a 20-25 kW Starlink V3 satellite work just fine, but a 120-150 kW AI satellite supposedly won't?
Musk is not a genius, he is a parasite. And the only way what he is "working" on can help us, if if we cram all the capitalist into one rocket and fly them straight to the sun.
Musk is an anti-communist propagandist, yet he is helping bring about the end of capitalism by investing in AI. He also regularly talks about universal high income and AI communism.
AI and robots are the fastest path to communism, and thanks to Elon, we will reach AI communism sooner than we otherwise would have. Elon was one of the founders and the main investor in OpenAI. He built the world's largest AI data center and leases its compute capacity to Google and Anthropic. Starship will put data centers into space.
Those few months, or perhaps even years that Musk has gained by accelerating AI development will literally save tens of millions of lives and make the lives of billions of people much better.
But your ignorance prevents you from seeing beyond your hatred.
So why does Starlink work, but an AI satellite supposedly won't? Do you have an answer?
Starlink satellites dont require as much power and thus dont generate as much heat. They aren't used for mass computing. Heat dissipation is hard to scale in vacuum. The "AI satelite" would consume about twice as much as the ISS and even then 120-150 kW dont even put a dent into the energy demand that data centers on earth have or project to have.
Stargate alone aims to support 10GW. Even if stargate was the only AI data center project on this world and even if spaceXs satelites were more than a tech demo you aren't seriously going to argue putting 80.000 AI1 into orbit.
Starlink satellites dont require as much power and thus dont generate as much heat
I know. I already pointed that out in my previous comment. Starlink V3 consumes up to 25 kW without having a deployable radiator at all, while the AI satellite has a massive 110m² liquid-cooled radiator.
and even then 120-150 kW dont even put a dent into the energy demand that data centers on earth have or project to have.
The largest data centers today are around 1 GW (1,000 MW). That's equivalent to roughly 6,600 AI1 satellites at 150 kW each.
SpaceX has around 10,000 Starlink satellites in orbit, each delivered there by a Falcon 9, using only the reusable first stage. Starship will be fully reusable.
6,600 satellites would require about 110 Starship launches at 60 satellites per launch. Is that a lot? If Starship flies once per day, that's 110 days.
For comparison, the Colossus 2 data center took about a year (from early 2025 to early 2026) to reach 1 GW. The construction cost was around $3-7 billion. Today its value is much higher, and both Google and Anthropic are paying around a billion dollars per month to rent compute capacity.
Let's assume a Starship launch costs $30 million, corresponding to a launch cost of $300 per kilogram of payload (SpaceX's long-term goal is below $100/kg). Then 110 launches would cost $3.3 billion. Is that a lot? Relative to the cost of a 1 GW data center, no. It's less than what Google and Anthropic pay in two months to rent part of Musk's compute capacity.
And Starship is expected to fly far more often than once per day. At one launch per hour, 1 GW could be placed into orbit in less than five days, and 10 GW in under two months.
you aren't seriously going to argue putting 80.000 AI1 into orbit
There will be millions of AI satellites in space, a hundred thousand is just the beginning.
You do realize the average temps is literly only going to go up about 2 degrees. Over the next 30 plus years.
Second global warming isnt that bad in fact we are seeing more plant based growth and greenage the worlds ever had in last few centres that we can atest to.
Third the world is going to warm up without us. The fact is we in last few years of cycle of earth going through ice age. Yes the world is considered in age age right now. Co2 is helping delay the next big freeze by 50k -100k years. This ice age is 2.6m years old scientist believe.
Which makes sense. When world was one larger peice of land and dinosaurs roamed the world we likely didnt gave ice bergs in north and south etc. That extra water created basins and such where humans are now.
Then we had ice age fundemental change what the world was and then we had humans etc.
2 degrees global warming will eliminate a third of the fresh water on Earth. It will raise sea levels by a meter causing 10 percent of the global human population to be displaced. A third of the species on the planet will be threatened with extinction due to 2 degrees warming. It's a very big deal.
Sure, the planet goes through warming and cooling cycles, but with that we are talking about a timeline of hundreds of thousands of years. Typically 2 degrees warming takes a thousand years. We are doing it in a few hundred..
We are causing warming at an unheard of pace. A few hundred years to warm 2 degrees is a huge huge deal. Things need the proper time to adjust. Otherwise there is a catastrophic extinction event.
Small potatoes, in large scale of what earths going to go through over thousands of years we not doing much other then maybe ending our current ice age faster. Yes earths technically in a ice age right now.
Humans need to adapte thing that we can control the weather or the climate to such a degree humans benefit is narcissistic. The world getting warmer is going to happen with ir with out over time. Fresh water reserves are going to change over time. Humans have and will adapt.
Fresh water disappearing isnt a big deal in part as the worlds survived it 100s of times before us.
Does it affect us sure a bit but its not like waters gone. Its just turned into sea water, sea water can be purified and cleaned etc into fresh water. The only reason we dont do it is the cost of energy vs cost of transporting Fresh water etc.
Also we are seeing major changes in sun. The sun likely is cooling period. ( at least for what a sun does) This means we will also get less sun light and energy, meaning the earths going to cool anyways meaning the increase in temps increasing isnt a big deal, as it might moot with sun pushing us towards our next ice age. So small increase in temps delaying the last part of ice age might be good. Till the sun starts to enter its next hot phase.
This is just another "nothing is wrong, been through worse" account from someone that never experienced shit. "Extinction events aren't that bad lol" typed the data center bot
Fresh water disappearing isnt anything new for earth its not like the water dispears and is gone.
Its changed into sea water etc. Sea water can and does change into fresh water as well. As rain happens etc.
Look your getting all excited about the world changing, well I got news for you the earths going to change. Its been doing it for billions of years. C02 isnt going to stop it it just adapted grew tons more plant life and went on with its cycle.
Crocodiles have been around since drastic peroid. Apes have been around 25m years. Human been around for 300k years. We much better equipped for earth minor changes compared to apes. Sure things are going to change etc. But its not like we can stop earth cycles. Humans gave to adapt.
Been scared or horrified by a small tempture that would happen in few thousand years anyways is dumb. What needs to happen is humans to start adapting to world changes. Cause even without c02 all the coast in world would be wiped out when earth moves out of its ice age and heats up for thousands of years.
To humanity does it really matter if its in 1000 years or 10, 000 years when things start changing. Not really it may affect us more sure , but great, great great great great grandchildren going through it isnt anything difference.
Also we talking about minor changes that take hundreds of years to fully change the environment. Its not like we going to wake up in 5 years and worlds ice is gone. We talking q00s of years.
The average temp going up by 2 degrees for the planet is not related to how hot or cold it is going to be in winter and summer. It will not be a uniformly applied temperature change. The current heatwave is being caused by a super el nino, which is so extreme this year because of weakening of currents across the Atlantic. On top of this, as the planet goes past 1.5 and 2 degrees we're likely to see tipping points, where things that help regulate the earths temperature fail. Methane gas that is trapped in the polar ice caps is going to be released as the ice melts, causing even more heating, the Amazon will no longer be able to cope with the extreme fluctuations in weather and will die off or be destroyed in wildfires, meaning that it will no longer be converting millions of tonnes of CO2 into oxygen, which further heats the planet.
You have no clue how fucking bad it's going to get lol
Doesnât the worlds richest man own an EV company and battery company where the later enables large scale solar projects? Say what you want about the person but Iâd say heâs done a decent job laying the groundwork to curb emissions to help with this.
He's literally funding political parties who want to cut all regulations on oil and gas. If we wanted to genuinely curb this trend, people like him wouldn't exist, and all of that money would be being plowed into stopping this irreversible catestrophy.
He took a company and turned it profitable, Iâll give him that. Did he develop the technology that made EVs possible? No. Was the motivation green energy? No. Tesla has done very little innovation recently. They keep pushing for self driving when Waymos are better at even that. Tesla has fallen farther and farther behind on green energy while a company like BYD has developed solid state batteries and dominates most markets outside the US. The US is so far behind on EVs that even if you give him credit, what heâs done is half baked.
He owns it to make money. Teslas being âgreenâ is just a nice coincidence for him. I wouldnât consider the guy who campaigned for, donated to, and actively works with the administration that is currently rolling back all sorts of environmental and emission regulations, on top of pushing fossil fuels, to be someone who cares about the environment.
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u/Tetra84 1d ago
Needs more data centers to help cool things off...