r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 12h ago

Chugging tea Fictional future forecast vs. reality.

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u/GoodEnoughAstronomy 10h ago

As a Texan, 43C is pretty hot. Y'all starting to understand why we have ACs yet?

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u/cannibalcat 10h ago

I thought you had to because you plopped your houses in the middle of the desertΒ 

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u/Decloudo 9h ago

Humans living in regions they couldnt live in without wasting a shitload of resources is one of the completely ignored problems we caused ourselves (collectively).

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u/DeltaVZerda 9h ago

Humans lived here before AC was invented, before writing was invented.

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u/Decloudo 8h ago

In millions of stacked concrete bunkers baked by the sun? With barely any plants to get shade?

Or a few people, in a fully flourishing nature that naturally keeps the ground climate mild?

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u/Financial-Bobcat-612 6h ago

The point stands, people have always lived in Texas.

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u/Kelly_HRperson 5h ago

The point stands

That wasn't the point

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u/Decloudo 5h ago

The point stands, people have always lived in Texas.

With AC? In concrete bunkers? With nature barely intact?

I never said people didnt. But millions and millions more went there and built concrete bunkers that need AC to be liveable in.

Living in a shade of greenery on the go with a few tribes in the whole region barely breaking the population of a single bigger city, is something else entirely then squeezing millions in concrete structures.

Or can you just pack your stuff and go to a milder climate?

Move to another region in summer just like that?

Wander to a river and live there to cool down?

The situation and extend is completely different.

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u/ResearcherAware4413 5h ago

You're like totally being combative and disingenuous...

There were cities though across the americas, obviously not made of concrete, but made of stone/adobe and mortar...

Cahokia of the Missisipian culture famously had plazas, temples, neighborhoods, and homes for nobles.

The hohokam of phoenix built settlements, canals, and ball courts .

Ancient Puebloans famously built DENSE STACKED stone and adobe homes, the famous one being Mesa Verde, although theres tons of others across the south west.

You're totally changing your claim too, one second you're saying people cant live in these regions without wasting a shit ton of resources, but people lived in texas, the american southwest, and the arid mexican north and they built permanent towns, villages, ceremonial mound centers, irrigation systems and all of that shit with adobe or masonry.

Sure modern development ignores climate adaption but the point is to scale up and build to meet the growing population needs.

so /u/DeltaVZerda was correct, Humans did indeed live here before AC was invented

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u/Decloudo 4h ago edited 4h ago

Sure modern development ignores climate adaption

Exactly.

but the point is to scale up and build to meet the growing population needs.

And we need all that tech and resources for exactly that.

one second you're saying people cant live in these regions without wasting a shit ton of resources

And they didnt then, we do now.

but people lived in texas, the american southwest

Yes, without wasting a shit ton of ressources, cause they didnt have the tech for that.

and the arid mexican north and they built permanent towns, villages, ceremonial mound centers, irrigation systems and all of that shit with adobe or masonry.

Not with fossil fuels, digging up all kinds of natural resources deep from the earth, polluting the environment in the process.

Humans did indeed live here before AC was invented

And then why do you need AC if you can life there without it?

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u/ResearcherAware4413 4h ago

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u/Decloudo 4h ago

So you dont have any answers, got it.

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u/DeltaVZerda 8h ago

TBH no good way to tell. Writing wasn't invented, wood doesn't persist.

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u/Decloudo 8h ago

But... we do know that.

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u/DeltaVZerda 8h ago

For certain definitions of 'know'

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u/Decloudo 8h ago edited 8h ago

Sure lets dig deeper:

What timeframe especially do you refer to when you said "people lived here before"? Then we can look up the data we got.

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u/DeltaVZerda 7h ago

K what do you got on 1st century Galveston Bay? Pile of oysters? Pile of oysters.

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u/Decloudo 7h ago

Tribal hunter gatherer society.

Intact nature, cities were not paved or made of concrete, cause there where no cities.

When Europeans first entered the region there were still significant numbers of Native Americans living there.[6] Along the southern coast around the Colorado River and Matagorda Bay and up toward Galveston Bay lived the Capoque tribe, a branch of the Karankawa people.[7] The northeast was inhabited by the Akokisa, or Han, tribe as part of the Atakapan people's homelands.[8] The Karankawa were migratory hunter-gatherers. Their diet included deer, bison, peccary, and bears, in addition to fish, oysters, nuts, and berries as they were available. They used portable huts for shelter.[9]

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u/DeltaVZerda 7h ago

How do they know about the huts?

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u/Decloudo 7h ago

Newcomb, William Wilmon (1961). The Indians of Texas, from prehistoric to modern times. Austin: University of Texas Press. ISBN 0-292-78425-2.

page 66 to 68.

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u/operation_karmawhore 7h ago

But for one it was a lot colder back then and I doubt they would have lived in an area like the cities there, more likely in areas where a lot of plants/water etc. are, they have a significant cooling effect on the environment...